Domas to the Spurs

[Sactowndog]

Kings Send: Sabonis
Spurs Send: Vassell, 14, 31 pick swap

Why for Spurs: Domas has some limitations but Wemby is the ideal player to have next to him. Domas also relieves Wemby from taking some pounding on his thin frame.

Why for the Kings:
Kings get a reset, pick up a wing in Vassell, and look to draft a defensive center at 14.

[SNPA]

Not close to enough for Sac.

Don’t need Vassell either, Sac has so many guys at that position.

[Chinook]

I'm not a fan of Sabonis as a piece of an actual contender. It's one thing to draft a guy like Queen to back up Wemby and experimentally play some minutes with him, and trading more significant assets and salary on a guy who limits Wemby more than helps. I'm happy this isn't a trade for the second-overall pick at least, but I don't think the target makes sense.

[SNPA]

I'm not a fan of Sabonis as a piece of an actual contender. It's one thing to draft a guy like Queen to back up Wemby and experimentally play some minutes with him, and trading more significant assets and salary on a guy who limits Wemby more than helps. I'm happy this isn't a trade for the second-overall pick at least, but I don't think the target makes sense.

A VW/Sabonis frontcourt would crush every night. It’d be one of the best frontlines ever to take the court. The cost though would be higher than this package which is borderline insulting. If the Spurs want to be instant contenders for next year and the foreseeable future…number two and salary for Sabonis does it. They’d be playing at this time a full year from today.

[wemby]

Fox, Harper, Castle, Wemby, now Sabonis? How many balls are the Spurs playing with? They need cost controlled, off ball players who can defend and shoot, not overpaid ball dominant, non defenders who are ok-ish shooters.

[longfellow44]

This isn't even close.

Devin vassell is a slightly worse version of Malik Monk for nearly double the salary.

This is crazy bad

[Chinook]

I'm not a fan of Sabonis as a piece of an actual contender. It's one thing to draft a guy like Queen to back up Wemby and experimentally play some minutes with him, and trading more significant assets and salary on a guy who limits Wemby more than helps. I'm happy this isn't a trade for the second-overall pick at least, but I don't think the target makes sense.

A VW/Sabonis frontcourt would crush every night. It’d be one of the best frontlines ever to take the court. The cost though would be higher than this package which is borderline insulting. If the Spurs want to be instant contenders for next year and the foreseeable future…number two and salary for Sabonis does it. They’d be playing at this time a full year from today.

Look, I'm not going to get too into the criticisms of Sabonis, because then the thread will needlessly become about that. But no, he and Wemby don't fit together. Wemby doesn't need a ball-dominant center next to him. It's arguably the last thing he needs. He needs an off-ball teammate, be it a three-and-D PF or a rim-running center. I understand the idea that Victor can cover up for Sabonis's weaknesses if he limits himself to a catch-and-shoot player or relies on Sabonis to generate his looks. But that's not a two-way street.

Victor is not an off-ball player. He's not a floor-spacer. He's a ball-dominant, three-level, triple-threat scorer. No, he's not great at that yet, which is why the Spurs aren't actually in a position to make a big win-now move like trading for Giannis. But that's the path he's on, so adding in guys who will clog the paint and hold the ball doesn't work for him. The reason why Queen might work is because the lower commitment to bring him in means he can play 16-20 MPG without it being an issue. If he wants to get more, he'll have to become a good shooter and competent defender. If not, the team moves on with very little invested. If so, they have a cheap piece for their rotation and a nice trade piece down the line. That reward is worth the risk. For Sabonis, it has to work or it sets the team back, and there's no hope for Domas to become a three-and-D plus.

It's not good. Sabonis might be a great get for another team, but not the Spurs.

[SNPA]

I'm not a fan of Sabonis as a piece of an actual contender. It's one thing to draft a guy like Queen to back up Wemby and experimentally play some minutes with him, and trading more significant assets and salary on a guy who limits Wemby more than helps. I'm happy this isn't a trade for the second-overall pick at least, but I don't think the target makes sense.

A VW/Sabonis frontcourt would crush every night. It’d be one of the best frontlines ever to take the court. The cost though would be higher than this package which is borderline insulting. If the Spurs want to be instant contenders for next year and the foreseeable future…number two and salary for Sabonis does it. They’d be playing at this time a full year from today.

Look, I'm not going to get too into the criticisms of Sabonis, because then the thread will needlessly become about that. But no, he and Wemby don't fit together. Wemby doesn't need a ball-dominant center next to him. It's arguably the last thing he needs. He needs an off-ball teammate, be it a three-and-D PF or a rim-running center. I understand the idea that Victor can cover up for Sabonis's weaknesses if he limits himself to a catch-and-shoot player or relies on Sabonis to generate his looks. But that's not a two-way street.

Victor is not an off-ball player. He's not a floor-spacer. He's a ball-dominant, three-level, triple-threat scorer. No, he's not great at that yet, which is why the Spurs aren't actually in a position to make a big win-now move like trading for Giannis. But that's the path he's on, so adding in guys who will clog the paint and hold the ball doesn't work for him. The reason why Queen might work is because the lower commitment to bring him in means he can play 16-20 MPG without it being an issue. If he wants to get more, he'll have to become a good shooter and competent defender. If not, the team moves on with very little invested. If so, they have a cheap piece for their rotation and a nice trade piece down the line. That reward is worth the risk. For Sabonis, it has to work or it sets the team back, and there's no hope for Domas to become a three-and-D plus.

It's not good. Sabonis might be a great get for another team, but not the Spurs.

Sabonis isn’t who you describe. You’re arguing against a fictional player. You make it sound like Sabonis is black-hole post-player, which just is not his game at all. He isn’t ball dominant, he’s the second best passing big man in the game and the number one rebounder on the planet.

On the Spurs Sabonis will take the physical abuse and get the rebounds so Wemby doesn’t have too, and he will facilitate on offense and be a good enough three point shooter to keep everything spaced (.417 on 2.2). VW and Sabonis are a great pairing. Damn near perfectly matched.

If the Spurs are scared it could be too big a mistake if they get it wrong then ok. That’s not the impression I get though. Even if it doesn’t work out, Sabonis (like Fox) is easily flippable.

If the Spurs can get Giannis…do it. If not and they want to be instant contenders next year…Sabonis achieves that.

[Chinook]

A VW/Sabonis frontcourt would crush every night. It’d be one of the best frontlines ever to take the court. The cost though would be higher than this package which is borderline insulting. If the Spurs want to be instant contenders for next year and the foreseeable future…number two and salary for Sabonis does it. They’d be playing at this time a full year from today.

Look, I'm not going to get too into the criticisms of Sabonis, because then the thread will needlessly become about that. But no, he and Wemby don't fit together. Wemby doesn't need a ball-dominant center next to him. It's arguably the last thing he needs. He needs an off-ball teammate, be it a three-and-D PF or a rim-running center. I understand the idea that Victor can cover up for Sabonis's weaknesses if he limits himself to a catch-and-shoot player or relies on Sabonis to generate his looks. But that's not a two-way street.

Victor is not an off-ball player. He's not a floor-spacer. He's a ball-dominant, three-level, triple-threat scorer. No, he's not great at that yet, which is why the Spurs aren't actually in a position to make a big win-now move like trading for Giannis. But that's the path he's on, so adding in guys who will clog the paint and hold the ball doesn't work for him. The reason why Queen might work is because the lower commitment to bring him in means he can play 16-20 MPG without it being an issue. If he wants to get more, he'll have to become a good shooter and competent defender. If not, the team moves on with very little invested. If so, they have a cheap piece for their rotation and a nice trade piece down the line. That reward is worth the risk. For Sabonis, it has to work or it sets the team back, and there's no hope for Domas to become a three-and-D plus.

It's not good. Sabonis might be a great get for another team, but not the Spurs.

Sabonis isn’t who you describe. You’re arguing against a fictional player.

No, I'm not. You're taking what I said and making a strawman where I called Sabonis a ball-hogging black hole as a way to not engage with the weaknesses that Sabonis has demonstrated over many years now. Like all star centers, Wemby's going to have to be able to play his position. This isn't 2000 anymore where PFs and centers were interchangeable. Sure, a bulkier three-and-D PF who can switch onto centers is nice -- and that's why Sochan had his best year with Wemby last year. That's why Queen as a draft pick makes sense. It's not why a max player makes sense, even ignoring the short-comings.

[JRoy]

Love the part where Sabonis is not going to POR.

[SNPA]

Look, I'm not going to get too into the criticisms of Sabonis, because then the thread will needlessly become about that. But no, he and Wemby don't fit together. Wemby doesn't need a ball-dominant center next to him. It's arguably the last thing he needs. He needs an off-ball teammate, be it a three-and-D PF or a rim-running center. I understand the idea that Victor can cover up for Sabonis's weaknesses if he limits himself to a catch-and-shoot player or relies on Sabonis to generate his looks. But that's not a two-way street.

Victor is not an off-ball player. He's not a floor-spacer. He's a ball-dominant, three-level, triple-threat scorer. No, he's not great at that yet, which is why the Spurs aren't actually in a position to make a big win-now move like trading for Giannis. But that's the path he's on, so adding in guys who will clog the paint and hold the ball doesn't work for him. The reason why Queen might work is because the lower commitment to bring him in means he can play 16-20 MPG without it being an issue. If he wants to get more, he'll have to become a good shooter and competent defender. If not, the team moves on with very little invested. If so, they have a cheap piece for their rotation and a nice trade piece down the line. That reward is worth the risk. For Sabonis, it has to work or it sets the team back, and there's no hope for Domas to become a three-and-D plus.

It's not good. Sabonis might be a great get for another team, but not the Spurs.

Sabonis isn’t who you describe. You’re arguing against a fictional player.

No, I'm not. You're taking what I said and making a strawman where I called Sabonis a ball-hogging black hole as a way to not engage with the weaknesses that Sabonis has demonstrated over many years now. Like all star centers, Wemby's going to have to be able to play his position. This isn't 2000 anymore where PFs and centers were interchangeable. Sure, a bulkier three-and-D PF who can switch onto centers is nice -- and that's why Sochan had his best year with Wemby last year. That's why Queen as a draft pick makes sense. It's not why a max player makes sense, even ignoring the short-comings.

You described Sabonis. People can read it. It’s not who he is as a player. You’re just wrong, it’s not really debatable. You haven’t made a single point that hurts a VW/Sabonis pairing.

You then go into 2000s PF bit which you cap off by wanting Queen. lol. Have you seen Queens combine tests? He’s an awful athlete. Just terrible. Take his height and apply it to the 90s/2000s and Queen -the guy you want- is exactly the type of PF from that era you say won’t fit with VW.

[wemby]

You then go into 2000s PF bit which you cap off by wanting Queen. lol. Have you seen Queens combine tests? He’s an awful athlete. Just terrible. Take his height and apply it to the 90s/2000s and Queen -the guy you want- is exactly the type of PF from that era you say won’t fit with VW.

Dude, we're Spurs fans, rest assured we're more acquainted with what Spurs need than you are. It's like a Suns fan trying to sell you on trading for Bradley Beal, when you damn well know it's not what the Kings need either on the court or on the books. Don't be dense.

[SNPA]

You then go into 2000s PF bit which you cap off by wanting Queen. lol. Have you seen Queens combine tests? He’s an awful athlete. Just terrible. Take his height and apply it to the 90s/2000s and Queen -the guy you want- is exactly the type of PF from that era you say won’t fit with VW.

Dude, we're Spurs fans, rest assured we're more acquainted with what Spurs need than you are. It's like a Suns fan trying to sell you on trading for Bradley Beal, when you damn well know it's not what the Kings need either on the court or on the books. Don't be dense.

lol. Yeah just like that.

He said the Spurs don’t need a ball dominant guy clogging the lane..ok. I agree. He just isn’t describing Sabonis.

[One_and_Done]

It sucks for both teams.

Sabonis plays the 5. Wemby plays the 5. It's not going to work.

[Chinook]

Sabonis isn’t who you describe. You’re arguing against a fictional player.

No, I'm not. You're taking what I said and making a strawman where I called Sabonis a ball-hogging black hole as a way to not engage with the weaknesses that Sabonis has demonstrated over many years now. Like all star centers, Wemby's going to have to be able to play his position. This isn't 2000 anymore where PFs and centers were interchangeable. Sure, a bulkier three-and-D PF who can switch onto centers is nice -- and that's why Sochan had his best year with Wemby last year. That's why Queen as a draft pick makes sense. It's not why a max player makes sense, even ignoring the short-comings.

You described Sabonis. People can read it.

You described him the same way but with a fluffy connotation. People can read.

You then go into 2000s PF bit which you cap off by wanting Queen.

No, for a person who's chastizing folks for not reading, you didn't seem to read this. I described your justification for why Sabonis fits with Wemby as a 2000s mentality. Sabonis is a center, just like Wemby is. Wemby could play spot minutes at PF, sure. If the Spurs have a low-investment option to experiment that's fine. That's why drafting Queen would be different, because if he's just the backup center, that's fine for the 14th pick. They didn't trade other rotation players to add him. They didn't commit a big salary to him. If Sabonis was a 20 mpg player, in contrast, it would be a disaster.

Have you seen Queens combine tests? He’s an awful athlete. Just terrible. Take his height and apply it to the 90s/2000s and Queen -the guy you want- is exactly the type of PF from that era you say won’t fit with VW.

So it should be clear now that you didn't read my post correctly. I specifically didn't say I wanted Queen to play PF next to Wemby. That's basically the opposite of the point I was making. The Spurs need a backup center -- that's arguably their biggest need going into the draft barring any trades. So using their second pick on such a player is fine, whether that player ends up being able to play with Wemby or not. The Spurs are not taking up salary that should be going to the rest of the team, including their future PF. It gives them flexibility and talent. If they're going to do more, it needs to be with a person who fits, and Sabonis is not, for all the reasons both of us have said.

[sackings916]

Kings Send: Sabonis
Spurs Send: Vassell, 14, 31 pick swap

Why for Spurs: Domas has some limitations but Wemby is the ideal player to have next to him. Domas also relieves Wemby from taking some pounding on his thin frame.

Why for the Kings:
Kings get a reset, pick up a wing in Vassell, and look to draft a defensive center at 14.

Not close for Sac. They keep the 29 year old all star center at this price.

[SNPA]

No, I'm not. You're taking what I said and making a strawman where I called Sabonis a ball-hogging black hole as a way to not engage with the weaknesses that Sabonis has demonstrated over many years now. Like all star centers, Wemby's going to have to be able to play his position. This isn't 2000 anymore where PFs and centers were interchangeable. Sure, a bulkier three-and-D PF who can switch onto centers is nice -- and that's why Sochan had his best year with Wemby last year. That's why Queen as a draft pick makes sense. It's not why a max player makes sense, even ignoring the short-comings.

You described Sabonis. People can read it.

You described him the same way but with a fluffy connotation. People can read.

You then go into 2000s PF bit which you cap off by wanting Queen.

No, for a person who's chastizing folks for not reading, you didn't seem to read this. I described your justification for why Sabonis fits with Wemby as a 2000s mentality. Sabonis is a center, just like Wemby is. Wemby could play spot minutes at PF, sure. If the Spurs have a low-investment option to experiment that's fine. That's why drafting Queen would be different, because if he's just the backup center, that's fine for the 14th pick. They didn't trade other rotation players to add him. They didn't commit a big salary to him. If Sabonis was a 20 mpg player, in contrast, it would be a disaster.

Have you seen Queens combine tests? He’s an awful athlete. Just terrible. Take his height and apply it to the 90s/2000s and Queen -the guy you want- is exactly the type of PF from that era you say won’t fit with VW.

So it should be clear now that you didn't read my post correctly. I specifically didn't say I wanted Queen to play PF next to Wemby. That's basically the opposite of the point I was making. The Spurs need a backup center -- that's arguably their biggest need going into the draft barring any trades. So using their second pick on such a player is fine, whether that player ends up being able to play with Wemby or not. The Spurs are not taking up salary that should be going to the rest of the team, including their future PF. It gives them flexibility and talent. If they're going to do more, it needs to be with a person who fits, and Sabonis is not, for all the reasons both of us have said.

lol. No. I described Sabonis based on reality and you described some fictional player and argued against that make believe player.

As for the deep analysis of they are both centers therefore it must fail blah blah…yeah. Not impressive. They’d be the best frontline in basketball and it wouldn’t be close. People are massively underselling the versatility and skill of these two guys. Anyhow…good luck with Queen.

[vxmike]

Fox, Harper, Castle, Wemby, now Sabonis? How many balls are the Spurs playing with? They need cost controlled, off ball players who can defend and shoot, not overpaid ball dominant, non defenders who are ok-ish shooters.

This. The Spurs either need to go all-in on Giannis or focus on the role players you mention. Trading for a #3 type guy on big money is not the solution.

[BoogieTime]

Not close

Kings are competing and Domas is foundational player/hub

[One_and_Done]

You described Sabonis. People can read it.

You described him the same way but with a fluffy connotation. People can read.

You then go into 2000s PF bit which you cap off by wanting Queen.

No, for a person who's chastizing folks for not reading, you didn't seem to read this. I described your justification for why Sabonis fits with Wemby as a 2000s mentality. Sabonis is a center, just like Wemby is. Wemby could play spot minutes at PF, sure. If the Spurs have a low-investment option to experiment that's fine. That's why drafting Queen would be different, because if he's just the backup center, that's fine for the 14th pick. They didn't trade other rotation players to add him. They didn't commit a big salary to him. If Sabonis was a 20 mpg player, in contrast, it would be a disaster.

Have you seen Queens combine tests? He’s an awful athlete. Just terrible. Take his height and apply it to the 90s/2000s and Queen -the guy you want- is exactly the type of PF from that era you say won’t fit with VW.

So it should be clear now that you didn't read my post correctly. I specifically didn't say I wanted Queen to play PF next to Wemby. That's basically the opposite of the point I was making. The Spurs need a backup center -- that's arguably their biggest need going into the draft barring any trades. So using their second pick on such a player is fine, whether that player ends up being able to play with Wemby or not. The Spurs are not taking up salary that should be going to the rest of the team, including their future PF. It gives them flexibility and talent. If they're going to do more, it needs to be with a person who fits, and Sabonis is not, for all the reasons both of us have said.

lol. No. I described Sabonis based on reality and you described some fictional player and argued against that make believe player.

As for the deep analysis of they are both centers therefore it must fail blah blah…yeah. Not impressive. They’d be the best frontline in basketball and it wouldn’t be close. People are massively underselling the versatility and skill of these two guys. Anyhow…good luck with Queen.

If Sabonis could play the 4 he would. He has already proven he can't. Similarly, the Spurs already tried Wemby at the 4 and realised it neutered everything that made him special. Both are 5s. Period. So leaving aside how good Sabonis actually is, the trade doesn't work for the Spurs either. They're not throwing away valuable assets to get a back-up to Wemby.