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76ers/Wizards
Posted: Sun May 18, 2025 8:38 am
by Astaluego
WIZARDS
In:3
Out:6/18/3 SRP
Wizards move up to draft Bailey.
They are in a position to take a risk on the biggest boom/bust prospect (along with Queen)
76ers
In:6/18+3 SRP
Out:3
It has been reported that the 76ers would be open to moving their pick, here they are playing it safer, they get a safer prospect in Knueppel and get another 18th pick in a fairly deep draft, in that range there are some interesting frontcourt prospects (Newell/Fleming/Sorber etc). The SRPs are just small sweeteners to work with later.
Re: 76ers/Wizards
Posted: Sun May 18, 2025 9:11 am
by PhillyNj
6 + 18+ 3 SRP’s does not get you up to 3. This is an easy pass.
Re: 76ers/Wizards
Posted: Sun May 18, 2025 1:14 pm
by Jojothewhale
You’re going to get some wild opinion splits on this one, I think. To me, I’m looking at players instead of draft slots. I don’t care what 3 is worth in a normal year. Evan Mobley isn’t on this board. Both teams’ decisions essentially come down to what they think of Ace.
I don’t want Bailey, so anything that gets me out of 3 and keeps me solidly in the lottery is good. If I was Morey, I’d do it without the 2nds if it was the best offer on the clock for exactly the stated reasons.
Re: 76ers/Wizards
Posted: Sun May 18, 2025 1:21 pm
by Michaellam1987
This is a weak offer for #3
Re: 76ers/Wizards
Posted: Sun May 18, 2025 3:14 pm
by the_process
This offer feels a little light.
Re: 76ers/Wizards
Posted: Sun May 18, 2025 3:35 pm
by louc1970
With the rumors of Bailey’s size, he may fall to the Wizards at 6.
Edgecombe and Jacucionis seem to be picking up steam.
Re: 76ers/Wizards
Posted: Sun May 18, 2025 3:43 pm
by jayjaysee
If this is all that’s available for 3, you just stick at 3 imo. Philly needs to be taking risks just like Washington.
If they can build a young core, then the LAC pick and swap convey at the perfect time as the old vets will be expiring. Or if Morey decides to try and build a contender I guess.
If Joel and PG had looked great, I think trading back for the safe pick might be a decent option.
Re: 76ers/Wizards
Posted: Sun May 18, 2025 4:26 pm
by Jojothewhale
jayjaysee wrote:If this is all that’s available for 3, you just stick at 3 imo. Philly needs to be taking risks just like Washington.
If they can build a young core, then the LAC pick and swap convey at the perfect time as the old vets will be expiring. Or if Morey decides to try and build a contender I guess.
If Joel and PG had looked great, I think trading back for the safe pick might be a decent option.
I think there's another angle here where you want to take risks and agree with your Sixers assessment completely.
If you're like me and think Ace has functionally no star equity plus you're skeptical that VJ does, moving down makes sense. Kneuppel's a different discussion. They're in such a tricky spot because Maxey + McCain is already a tough fit. VJ kind of compliments one of those guys passably, but you can't play all 3 together. Fears and Tre are the star upside picks and neither fits with Maxey at all. So if I'm Morey I'm stuck because my choices are to move out or incinerate value. I'd picking the former.
If you love Bailey, sure you just ship the card up.
Re: 76ers/Wizards
Posted: Sun May 18, 2025 5:46 pm
by the_process
Jojothewhale wrote:jayjaysee wrote:If this is all that’s available for 3, you just stick at 3 imo. Philly needs to be taking risks just like Washington.
If they can build a young core, then the LAC pick and swap convey at the perfect time as the old vets will be expiring. Or if Morey decides to try and build a contender I guess.
If Joel and PG had looked great, I think trading back for the safe pick might be a decent option.
I think there's another angle here where you want to take risks and agree with your Sixers assessment completely.
If you're like me and think Ace has functionally no star equity plus you're skeptical that VJ does, moving down makes sense. Kneuppel's a different discussion. They're in such a tricky spot because Maxey + McCain is already a tough fit. VJ kind of compliments one of those guys passably, but you can't play all 3 together. Fears and Tre are the star upside picks and neither fits with Maxey at all. So if I'm Morey I'm stuck because my choices are to move out or incinerate value. I'd picking the former.
If you love Bailey, sure you just ship the card up.
Or, you know, you could shop Maxey for a wing... looking at ORL...
Re: 76ers/Wizards
Posted: Sun May 18, 2025 6:01 pm
by Astaluego
the idea was that since it's been rumored the 76ers are listening to offers at 3 I figured they weren't enamored with Bailey's rise/fall potential... I figured the Wizards are in a great position to take a chance on him first because he fits positionally and also because they fell off the bench after accumulating the worst record I see this draft as good but pretty flat after 2. then between 3 and 8 with a group of guys with really good player potential (solid starter) and from there there's a handful of players who could be excellent role players... I pictured the 76ers going with one of Knueppel/Queen/Maluach who I think would be a great fit and selecting a big wing with the other pick (Bryant or Fleming)
Re: 76ers/Wizards
Posted: Sun May 18, 2025 6:05 pm
by wemby
The cost of moving up is dependent on the context, personally I have players 3-5 in the same tier (Ace Bailey, Tre Johnson, VJ Edgecombe) and a pick in the late teens isn't enough to move into that group.
Re: 76ers/Wizards
Posted: Sun May 18, 2025 6:14 pm
by Jojothewhale
the_process wrote:Or, you know, you could shop Maxey for a wing... looking at ORL...
Then you’re tanking and you don’t want what Orlando has. You want picks. There’s no situation in which you can expect to compete with McCain and Fears/Tre as your primary initiators anytime soon.
If you want to move Maxey, hope OKC goes out because of secondary playmaking and shooting problems and maybe they go in hard.
Re: 76ers/Wizards
Posted: Sun May 18, 2025 7:30 pm
by the_process
Jojothewhale wrote:the_process wrote:Or, you know, you could shop Maxey for a wing... looking at ORL...
Then you’re tanking and you don’t want what Orlando has. You want picks. There’s no situation in which you can expect to compete with McCain and Fears/Tre as your primary initiators anytime soon.
If you want to move Maxey, hope OKC goes out because of secondary playmaking and shooting problems and maybe they go in hard.
There's a non-tanking trade to be made there.
Re: 76ers/Wizards
Posted: Sun May 18, 2025 7:44 pm
by youngcrev
Possibly not a reasonable ask, but I'd want Coulibaly in a 3 for 6 swap.
Re: 76ers/Wizards
Posted: Sun May 18, 2025 7:57 pm
by nate33
I think the OP's trade is fair and reasonable. If Philly isn't interested, that's cool. But the Wizards shouldn't have to offer more to move up to #3 when this is a 2 person draft with a significant drop-off after that.
Re: 76ers/Wizards
Posted: Sun May 18, 2025 8:00 pm
by nate33
The Sixers/Wizards trade that makes more sense would be something centered around the Wizards eating Paul George's contract in exchange for the #3 pick. A Paul George for Khris Middleton trade is only a minor on-the-court drop-off but results in Philly saving $128M in salary over the next 3 seasons and probably a ton more than that after factoring the luxtax savings.
Something like Middleton plus #18 for Paul George and #3 is honestly fair. Nobody on this board will like it because fans don't care about saving money, but if Philly's owner is going to save $150M or so, that's something to consider.
Re: 76ers/Wizards
Posted: Sun May 18, 2025 8:15 pm
by ferk
grizz could even things up a bit i think ?
this years 2nds + Future 1st to move up in the 2nd this year plus a couple future 2nds or whatever works .
Re: 76ers/Wizards
Posted: Sun May 18, 2025 8:16 pm
by wemby
nate33 wrote:I think the OP's trade is fair and reasonable. If Philly isn't interested, that's cool. But the Wizards shouldn't have to offer more to move up to #3 when this is a 2 person draft with a significant drop-off after that.
If the tables were turned, would you take 18 to move down from 3 to 6? I sure as hell wouldn't, and I'm not a fan of the 76ers or the Wizards.
Re: 76ers/Wizards
Posted: Sun May 18, 2025 8:20 pm
by Jojothewhale
nate33 wrote:The Sixers/Wizards trade that makes more sense would be something centered around the Wizards eating Paul George's contract in exchange for the #3 pick. A Paul George for Khris Middleton trade is only a minor on-the-court drop-off but results in Philly saving $128M in salary over the next 3 seasons and probably a ton more than that after factoring the luxtax savings.
Something like Middleton plus #18 for Paul George and #3 is honestly fair. Nobody on this board will like it because fans don't care about saving money, but if Philly's owner is going to save $150M or so, that's something to consider.
The Sixers are in roughly Year 6 of a complete PR disaster. Getting the pick has started pulling the discourse along. They're not moving it just to save money. I'm sure they would love to save the cash, but it would have to be something where they could sell the basketball angle too. I don't see that existing.
Re: 76ers/Wizards
Posted: Sun May 18, 2025 9:38 pm
by youngcrev
nate33 wrote:The Sixers/Wizards trade that makes more sense would be something centered around the Wizards eating Paul George's contract in exchange for the #3 pick. A Paul George for Khris Middleton trade is only a minor on-the-court drop-off but results in Philly saving $128M in salary over the next 3 seasons and probably a ton more than that after factoring the luxtax savings.
Something like Middleton plus #18 for Paul George and #3 is honestly fair. Nobody on this board will like it because fans don't care about saving money, but if Philly's owner is going to save $150M or so, that's something to consider.
Regardless of whether that
fair, there's just no world where the Sixers do that. Morey might as well put in his resignation if he tanked a season just to use the pick to get rid of the guy he just signed to a mega deal (after sitting in his hands the season before to have a shot at free agency).
Also... Following the
fans don't care about money but it's how it is logic: why do the Wizards care less about paying Paul George than the Sixers?