Boston - Orlando

[Pacernation]

Boston trades: Jrue, 27 1st lottery protected, 25 2nd via Was., 26 2nd via Min etc.
Orlando trades: KCP, Gary Harris, Cory Joseph, 25 2nd via Boston.

Orlando gets a mentor for Black and the other young guys that can still play and some picks as incentive for taking on the contract and some insurance to attach picks if the roster get's too expensive and they need to trade somebody.
Boston get's a veteran wing with a tradeable contract and two expirings which allows them to shed 11 mio in salary. They also keep their 25 first rounder so they still can pick a young guy this year and try to develop him. Who says no?

[Skybox]

I’d probably do it without the picks…Jrue is getting up there and I wouldn’t want to add picks, but I also recognize that he’s certainly not without value.

The range of Jrue valuations has been wildly unrealistic, imo…yours is certainly reasonable

[Cricket23]

I can't see Boston doing this.

When Keith Smith was talking about a potential Jrue trade the other day, and specifically his value, he brought up Orlando as a hypothetical landing spot. His idea of what the trade could look like was Jrue for Isaac and Black-no picks involved.

[orlando_joe]

magic not taking on that contract with his age and decline sure not taking on extra 11 mill next yr harris and cojo are both expiring and 100 mill over 3 yrs just to many younger options with chance of upside ..not sure decline

[Cricket23]

I'm not a Magic fan but I like their team a lot. With Boston out of the way, if they added Jrue and were able to stay healthy, I could easily envision a trip to the finals. I'm sure there are many Magic fans who would rather an exciting young player with upside in that spot, most of us fans are like that. But Jrue is still really good, and he has a track record of taking teams over the top. We know the coach is a fan. Just saying that as much as I like the team, I would view them as a bit more dangerous with Jrue and his experience next to Suggs.

[tiderulz]

I'm not a Magic fan but I like their team a lot. With Boston out of the way, if they added Jrue and were able to stay healthy, I could easily envision a trip to the finals. I'm sure there are many Magic fans who would rather an exciting young player with upside in that spot, most of us fans are like that. But Jrue is still really good, and he has a track record of taking teams over the top. We know the coach is a fan. Just saying that as much as I like the team, I would view them as a bit more dangerous with Jrue and his experience next to Suggs.

Jrue hasnt played 70 games in 7 years. At 35, his contract and declining play, no thanks. Boston isnt using Orlando to get out of his deal.

[Cricket23]

I'm not a Magic fan but I like their team a lot. With Boston out of the way, if they added Jrue and were able to stay healthy, I could easily envision a trip to the finals. I'm sure there are many Magic fans who would rather an exciting young player with upside in that spot, most of us fans are like that. But Jrue is still really good, and he has a track record of taking teams over the top. We know the coach is a fan. Just saying that as much as I like the team, I would view them as a bit more dangerous with Jrue and his experience next to Suggs.

Jrue hasnt played 70 games in 7 years. At 35, his contract and declining play, no thanks. Boston isnt using Orlando to get out of his deal.

I wonder if the coach and players of the Magic feel the same way.

[brackdan70]

Boston trades: Jrue, 27 1st lottery protected, 25 2nd via Was., 26 2nd via Min etc.
Orlando trades: KCP, Gary Harris, Cory Joseph, 25 2nd via Boston.

Orlando gets a mentor for Black and the other young guys that can still play and some picks as incentive for taking on the contract and some insurance to attach picks if the roster get's too expensive and they need to trade somebody.
Boston get's a veteran wing with a tradeable contract and two expirings which allows them to shed 11 mio in salary. They also keep their 25 first rounder so they still can pick a young guy this year and try to develop him. Who says no?

I don’t think this much incentive will be required to move Jrue. Yeah he is overpaid and mid 30s, but still a very positive player. He will still be a starter level 2 way versatile player through the life of his contract . He takes great care of himself and is a great team guy. I like this trade for Orlando without the picks.
For Boston I hate moving on from Jrue but it probably has to be done so I consider it.
If picks are attached then a Bette rooster has to come back.
Orlando when Healthy is close to making a run for contention and a move like this doesn’t hurt the long term window and makes them tough…really tough in the east.

[Pacernation]

Boston trades: Jrue, 27 1st lottery protected, 25 2nd via Was., 26 2nd via Min etc.
Orlando trades: KCP, Gary Harris, Cory Joseph, 25 2nd via Boston.

Orlando gets a mentor for Black and the other young guys that can still play and some picks as incentive for taking on the contract and some insurance to attach picks if the roster get's too expensive and they need to trade somebody.
Boston get's a veteran wing with a tradeable contract and two expirings which allows them to shed 11 mio in salary. They also keep their 25 first rounder so they still can pick a young guy this year and try to develop him. Who says no?

I don’t think this much incentive will be required to move Jrue. Yeah he is overpaid and mid 30s, but still a very positive player. He will still be a starter level 2 way versatile player through the life of his contract . He takes great care of himself and is a great team guy. I like this trade for Orlando without the picks.
For Boston I hate moving on from Jrue but it probably has to be done so I consider it.
If picks are attached then a Bette rooster has to come back.
Orlando when Healthy is close to making a run for contention and a move like this doesn’t hurt the long term window and makes them tough…really tough in the east.

Well, I just found it pretty hard to find trades that make it possible to shed salary which sounds like is the top priority of Boston. And when there isn't much money in the market to swallow big contracts, the value of capspace goes up and the value of big contracts goes down. At least that's the way I viewed it. And a soon to be 35 year old with 3 more years on a big deal just doesn't sound intriguing to me in this market where a lot of teams would like to move players or shed salary but won't be able to.

[brackdan70]

Boston trades: Jrue, 27 1st lottery protected, 25 2nd via Was., 26 2nd via Min etc.
Orlando trades: KCP, Gary Harris, Cory Joseph, 25 2nd via Boston.

Orlando gets a mentor for Black and the other young guys that can still play and some picks as incentive for taking on the contract and some insurance to attach picks if the roster get's too expensive and they need to trade somebody.
Boston get's a veteran wing with a tradeable contract and two expirings which allows them to shed 11 mio in salary. They also keep their 25 first rounder so they still can pick a young guy this year and try to develop him. Who says no?

I don’t think this much incentive will be required to move Jrue. Yeah he is overpaid and mid 30s, but still a very positive player. He will still be a starter level 2 way versatile player through the life of his contract . He takes great care of himself and is a great team guy. I like this trade for Orlando without the picks.
For Boston I hate moving on from Jrue but it probably has to be done so I consider it.
If picks are attached then a Bette rooster has to come back.
Orlando when Healthy is close to making a run for contention and a move like this doesn’t hurt the long term window and makes them tough…really tough in the east.

Well, I just found it pretty hard to find trades that make it possible to shed salary which sounds like is the top priority of Boston. And when there isn't much money in the market to swallow big contracts, the value of capspace goes up and the value of big contracts goes down. At least that's the way I viewed it. And a soon to be 35 year old with 3 more years on a big deal just doesn't sound intriguing to me in this market where a lot of teams would like to move players or shed salary but won't be able to.

This is a good point for sure.
I believe the league does value Jrue more than Fans do though.
I think if it does take a first to move him the Celtics would rather move 28 this year but IDK.
It will be really interesting to see what happens. Older players always return more than I expect.

[Michaellam1987]

I don’t think ORL will take on huge future salary. They have already very tight cap situation, and Pablo’s max extension has not yet reflected…….

[Pacernation]

I don’t think this much incentive will be required to move Jrue. Yeah he is overpaid and mid 30s, but still a very positive player. He will still be a starter level 2 way versatile player through the life of his contract . He takes great care of himself and is a great team guy. I like this trade for Orlando without the picks.
For Boston I hate moving on from Jrue but it probably has to be done so I consider it.
If picks are attached then a Bette rooster has to come back.
Orlando when Healthy is close to making a run for contention and a move like this doesn’t hurt the long term window and makes them tough…really tough in the east.

Well, I just found it pretty hard to find trades that make it possible to shed salary which sounds like is the top priority of Boston. And when there isn't much money in the market to swallow big contracts, the value of capspace goes up and the value of big contracts goes down. At least that's the way I viewed it. And a soon to be 35 year old with 3 more years on a big deal just doesn't sound intriguing to me in this market where a lot of teams would like to move players or shed salary but won't be able to.

This is a good point for sure.
I believe the league does value Jrue more than Fans do though.
I think if it does take a first to move him the Celtics would rather move 28 this year but IDK.
It will be really interesting to see what happens. Older players always return more than I expect.

Tbh I value Jrue but don't like his contract at all. Guards can fall off pretty fast when they get old. I just thought they'd like to keep their pick this year because they might retool for one year and like to pick a young guy to develop for next season. Of course I got no idea what they are planning so you might be right..

[Skybox]

Want to save some money, BOS?

Jonathan Isaac makes $25m until next season, when it drops to $15m per...my understanding is that the "trade value" is $25m until July 1(or some date after draft night) but that whoever trades for him will only truly pay him $15m for next season...I was not buying that, but - assuming it's true, it's just what the doctor ordered for BOS' big priority this summer. I'm reluctant because I really believe he's going to have a monster season after dropping the ill-advised 30lbs of "armor" he added last summer which he admits was a mistake that left him slow of foot and lethargic. He's a defensive monster from perimeter to rim that can be deployed onto just about anyone in the league or just roaming around disrupting everything. His 3pt shooting dipped, but I'll blame it (somewhat) on weight-fatigue and ORL's complete disregard for an offensive scheme (the entire team hit career lows for 3pt %). Hauser jumps to $10m next year, which is fine unless you're a 2nd apron team taking a year off from contending...Scheiermann or Jett might slide right into that spot for a lot less.

ORL sends: Jonathan Isaac, Goga Bitadze, Jett Howard
BOS sends: Kristaps Porzingis, Sam Hauser

Jett might turn out to be yet another 3pt sniper in BOS's system or, at the very least, an expiring salary. Goga is more than capable of starting at C while BOS rests everybody, rehabs Tatum, and considers their next move(s)...they might choose to look for (or draft at #28) a Center for longer-term upside. There are a few interesting ones around that spot...I think Raynaud could possibly step right in to the NBA and contribute. BOS might even choose to "develop, heal & tank" somewhat next season and grab one more nice pick next summer before resuming their contending with a better financial situation in 26-27.

[brackdan70]

Want to save some money, BOS?

Jonathan Isaac makes $25m until next season, when it drops to $15m per...my understanding is that the "trade value" is $25m until July 1(or some date after draft night) but that whoever trades for him will only truly pay him $15m for next season...I was not buying that, but - assuming it's true, it's just what the doctor ordered for BOS' big priority this summer. I'm reluctant because I really believe he's going to have a monster season after dropping the ill-advised 30lbs of "armor" he added last summer which he admits was a mistake that left him slow of foot and lethargic. He's a defensive monster from perimeter to rim that can be deployed onto just about anyone in the league or just roaming around disrupting everything. His 3pt shooting dipped, but I'll blame it (somewhat) on weight-fatigue and ORL's complete disregard for an offensive scheme (the entire team hit career lows for 3pt %). Hauser jumps to $10m next year, which is fine unless you're a 2nd apron team taking a year off from contending...Scheiermann or Jett might slide right into that spot for a lot less.

ORL sends: Jonathan Isaac, Goga Bitadze, Jett Howard
BOS sends: Kristaps Porzingis, Sam Hauser

Jett might turn out to be yet another 3pt sniper in BOS's system or, at the very least, an expiring salary. Goga is more than capable of starting at C while BOS rests everybody, rehabs Tatum, and considers their next move(s)...they might choose to look for (or draft at #28) a Center for longer-term upside. There are a few interesting ones around that spot...I think Raynaud could possibly step right in to the NBA and contribute. BOS might even choose to "develop, heal & tank" somewhat next season and grab one more nice pick next summer before resuming their contending with a better financial situation in 26-27.

This actually adds a bunch of Salary for 26/27. And provides no path to reset the repeater tax or get under the 2nd apron. That’s the big goal in any Boston trade IMO

I like Issac and in another situation would consider this but doesn’t work right now.

[Skybox]

Want to save some money, BOS?

Jonathan Isaac makes $25m until next season, when it drops to $15m per...my understanding is that the "trade value" is $25m until July 1(or some date after draft night) but that whoever trades for him will only truly pay him $15m for next season...I was not buying that, but - assuming it's true, it's just what the doctor ordered for BOS' big priority this summer. I'm reluctant because I really believe he's going to have a monster season after dropping the ill-advised 30lbs of "armor" he added last summer which he admits was a mistake that left him slow of foot and lethargic. He's a defensive monster from perimeter to rim that can be deployed onto just about anyone in the league or just roaming around disrupting everything. His 3pt shooting dipped, but I'll blame it (somewhat) on weight-fatigue and ORL's complete disregard for an offensive scheme (the entire team hit career lows for 3pt %). Hauser jumps to $10m next year, which is fine unless you're a 2nd apron team taking a year off from contending...Scheiermann or Jett might slide right into that spot for a lot less.

ORL sends: Jonathan Isaac, Goga Bitadze, Jett Howard
BOS sends: Kristaps Porzingis, Sam Hauser

Jett might turn out to be yet another 3pt sniper in BOS's system or, at the very least, an expiring salary. Goga is more than capable of starting at C while BOS rests everybody, rehabs Tatum, and considers their next move(s)...they might choose to look for (or draft at #28) a Center for longer-term upside. There are a few interesting ones around that spot...I think Raynaud could possibly step right in to the NBA and contribute. BOS might even choose to "develop, heal & tank" somewhat next season and grab one more nice pick next summer before resuming their contending with a better financial situation in 26-27.

This actually adds a bunch of Salary for 26/27. And provides no path to reset the repeater tax or get under the 2nd apron. That’s the big goal in any Boston trade IMO

I like Issac and in another situation would consider this but doesn’t work right now.

IF the ONLY idea is to save money and then core players walk for nothing without a replacement...just buy out Porzingis now. Solved.

[brackdan70]

Want to save some money, BOS?

Jonathan Isaac makes $25m until next season, when it drops to $15m per...my understanding is that the "trade value" is $25m until July 1(or some date after draft night) but that whoever trades for him will only truly pay him $15m for next season...I was not buying that, but - assuming it's true, it's just what the doctor ordered for BOS' big priority this summer. I'm reluctant because I really believe he's going to have a monster season after dropping the ill-advised 30lbs of "armor" he added last summer which he admits was a mistake that left him slow of foot and lethargic. He's a defensive monster from perimeter to rim that can be deployed onto just about anyone in the league or just roaming around disrupting everything. His 3pt shooting dipped, but I'll blame it (somewhat) on weight-fatigue and ORL's complete disregard for an offensive scheme (the entire team hit career lows for 3pt %). Hauser jumps to $10m next year, which is fine unless you're a 2nd apron team taking a year off from contending...Scheiermann or Jett might slide right into that spot for a lot less.

ORL sends: Jonathan Isaac, Goga Bitadze, Jett Howard
BOS sends: Kristaps Porzingis, Sam Hauser

Jett might turn out to be yet another 3pt sniper in BOS's system or, at the very least, an expiring salary. Goga is more than capable of starting at C while BOS rests everybody, rehabs Tatum, and considers their next move(s)...they might choose to look for (or draft at #28) a Center for longer-term upside. There are a few interesting ones around that spot...I think Raynaud could possibly step right in to the NBA and contribute. BOS might even choose to "develop, heal & tank" somewhat next season and grab one more nice pick next summer before resuming their contending with a better financial situation in 26-27.

This actually adds a bunch of Salary for 26/27. And provides no path to reset the repeater tax or get under the 2nd apron. That’s the big goal in any Boston trade IMO

I like Issac and in another situation would consider this but doesn’t work right now.

IF the ONLY idea is to save money and then core players walk for nothing without a replacement...just buy out Porzingis now. Solved.

It’s about the 26/27 savings. It is really unrealistic that they get under the 2nd Apron for 25/26. Porzingis comes off the books for 26/27, so Porzingis trade should only be for expiring guys that make less. It makes no sense to add future salary in a Porzingis trade unless there is also a trade (Jrue or Hauser and Schierman) that all the moves have a net reduction in 2026/27 salary of at least 12 million.
The easiest way to approach the Cs goals is trade Jrue for salaries making 22 million or less in 2026/27. And in a separate deal trade Porzingis for as much cap savings as possible, without adding future salary. A tall order I know. I think realistically they should focus on the 26/27 season salary

[Skybox]

This actually adds a bunch of Salary for 26/27. And provides no path to reset the repeater tax or get under the 2nd apron. That’s the big goal in any Boston trade IMO

I like Issac and in another situation would consider this but doesn’t work right now.

IF the ONLY idea is to save money and then core players walk for nothing without a replacement...just buy out Porzingis now. Solved.

It’s about the 26/27 savings. It is really unrealistic that they get under the 2nd Apron for 25/26. Porzingis comes off the books for 26/27, so Porzingis trade should only be for expiring guys that make less. It makes no sense to add future salary in a Porzingis trade unless there is also a trade (Jrue or Hauser and Schierman) that all the moves have a net reduction in 2026/27 salary of at least 12 million.
The easiest way to approach the Cs goals is trade Jrue for salaries making 22 million or less in 2026/27. And in a separate deal trade Porzingis for as much cap savings as possible, without adding future salary. A tall order I know. I think realistically they should focus on the 26/27 season salary

Isaac trades for 25, but actually gets 15 (and contributes, perhaps tremendously)
Jett is expiring
Goga plays Center for 8.3m, then 7.6m before expiring, so good value player as you'll need a Center, but if not...could sub in Moe Wagner $11m expiring and/or Cole Anthony 13.1 expiring/TO and/or Gary Harris 7.5m expiring, etc...I figured you'd want SOME value players back, with some savings...but ORL could pack in exprings...Moe is actually really good offensively but out until December-ish...ORL has financial pressures coming too, so not sure how far they'd go for Porzingis, given his frailty...I'd like to think his great relationship with Mosely could be a factor.

[tiderulz]

I'm not a Magic fan but I like their team a lot. With Boston out of the way, if they added Jrue and were able to stay healthy, I could easily envision a trip to the finals. I'm sure there are many Magic fans who would rather an exciting young player with upside in that spot, most of us fans are like that. But Jrue is still really good, and he has a track record of taking teams over the top. We know the coach is a fan. Just saying that as much as I like the team, I would view them as a bit more dangerous with Jrue and his experience next to Suggs.

Jrue hasnt played 70 games in 7 years. At 35, his contract and declining play, no thanks. Boston isnt using Orlando to get out of his deal.

I wonder if the coach and players of the Magic feel the same way.

i guarantee the front office feels that way

[tiderulz]

Boston trades: Jrue, 27 1st lottery protected, 25 2nd via Was., 26 2nd via Min etc.
Orlando trades: KCP, Gary Harris, Cory Joseph, 25 2nd via Boston.

Orlando gets a mentor for Black and the other young guys that can still play and some picks as incentive for taking on the contract and some insurance to attach picks if the roster get's too expensive and they need to trade somebody.
Boston get's a veteran wing with a tradeable contract and two expirings which allows them to shed 11 mio in salary. They also keep their 25 first rounder so they still can pick a young guy this year and try to develop him. Who says no?

I don’t think this much incentive will be required to move Jrue. Yeah he is overpaid and mid 30s, but still a very positive player. He will still be a starter level 2 way versatile player through the life of his contract . He takes great care of himself and is a great team guy. I like this trade for Orlando without the picks.
For Boston I hate moving on from Jrue but it probably has to be done so I consider it.
If picks are attached then a Bette rooster has to come back.
Orlando when Healthy is close to making a run for contention and a move like this doesn’t hurt the long term window and makes them tough…really tough in the east.

then why hasnt he been able to play 70 games in 7 years?

[brackdan70]

Boston trades: Jrue, 27 1st lottery protected, 25 2nd via Was., 26 2nd via Min etc.
Orlando trades: KCP, Gary Harris, Cory Joseph, 25 2nd via Boston.

Orlando gets a mentor for Black and the other young guys that can still play and some picks as incentive for taking on the contract and some insurance to attach picks if the roster get's too expensive and they need to trade somebody.
Boston get's a veteran wing with a tradeable contract and two expirings which allows them to shed 11 mio in salary. They also keep their 25 first rounder so they still can pick a young guy this year and try to develop him. Who says no?

I don’t think this much incentive will be required to move Jrue. Yeah he is overpaid and mid 30s, but still a very positive player. He will still be a starter level 2 way versatile player through the life of his contract . He takes great care of himself and is a great team guy. I like this trade for Orlando without the picks.
For Boston I hate moving on from Jrue but it probably has to be done so I consider it.
If picks are attached then a Bette rooster has to come back.
Orlando when Healthy is close to making a run for contention and a move like this doesn’t hurt the long term window and makes them tough…really tough in the east.

then why hasnt he been able to play 70 games in 7 years?

Two of those seasons were covid shortened.
One really has nothing to do with the other. He has had some minor injuries and missed a few games here and there, as do most NBA players. I was more thinking about the likelyhood that he is an effective and useful player through the life of his contract.