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TOR-UTA-MIA
Posted: Sun May 18, 2025 10:15 pm
by HadAnEffectHere
Utah gets: Scary Terry, two seconds from Toronto
Toronto gets: John Collins
Miami gets: RJ Barrett
Why for Utah: Let John Collins play harder on a team that should make the play-in next year, get two seconds.
Why for Toronto: Turn their army of questionable wings into a more balanced roster, also gain a lot of financial flexibility for the 2026 offseason.
Why for Miami: Turn an expiring contract who can't play anymore into a playable though overpaid guy with one extra year on his deal.
Re: TOR-UTA-MIA
Posted: Sun May 18, 2025 10:25 pm
by babyjax13
I don't think this gives Toronto 'flexibility' b/c they won't have cap space, but it does help address the ballooning luxury tax bill they'll have. I do think they'll want too see players in action to decide on who to keep between RJ and Ingram. I'd just trade RJ now, though, for any expiring I can get.
Re: TOR-UTA-MIA
Posted: Sun May 18, 2025 10:41 pm
by Godaddycurse
babyjax13 wrote:I don't think this gives Toronto 'flexibility' b/c they won't have cap space, but it does help address the ballooning luxury tax bill they'll have. I do think they'll want too see players in action to decide on who to keep between RJ and Ingram. I'd just trade RJ now, though, for any expiring I can get.
What ballooning luxury tax bill? Agbaji and Poeltl wont be getting a giant raise (or shouldnt). Dont think we are at risk of going over the tax for foreseeable future.
I would do OP if we draft a guard/wing though. No if we draft a big
Re: TOR-UTA-MIA
Posted: Sun May 18, 2025 10:48 pm
by BBallFreak
This is such an easy pass for Miami. You'd have to pay us to take that deal and even then, no thanks.
Re: TOR-UTA-MIA
Posted: Sun May 18, 2025 10:48 pm
by babyjax13
Godaddycurse wrote:babyjax13 wrote:I don't think this gives Toronto 'flexibility' b/c they won't have cap space, but it does help address the ballooning luxury tax bill they'll have. I do think they'll want too see players in action to decide on who to keep between RJ and Ingram. I'd just trade RJ now, though, for any expiring I can get.
What ballooning luxury tax bill? Agbaji and Poeltl wont be getting a giant raise (or shouldnt). Dont think we are at risk of going over the tax for foreseeable future.
I would do OP if we draft a guard/wing though. No if we draft a big
When Barnes kicks in you'll have 163 million on payroll between Barnes/Poeltl/Barrett/Quickley/Ingram in 26-27. Filling out that team without being a taxpayer will be hard (first apron should be around 215 million, so 52 million for an entire bench when the MLE will be 16 million ish). Moving RJ makes it pretty reasonable to do that, assuming all of these players are keepers.
Re: TOR-UTA-MIA
Posted: Sun May 18, 2025 11:00 pm
by Godaddycurse
babyjax13 wrote:Godaddycurse wrote:babyjax13 wrote:I don't think this gives Toronto 'flexibility' b/c they won't have cap space, but it does help address the ballooning luxury tax bill they'll have. I do think they'll want too see players in action to decide on who to keep between RJ and Ingram. I'd just trade RJ now, though, for any expiring I can get.
What ballooning luxury tax bill? Agbaji and Poeltl wont be getting a giant raise (or shouldnt). Dont think we are at risk of going over the tax for foreseeable future.
I would do OP if we draft a guard/wing though. No if we draft a big
When Barnes kicks in you'll have 163 million on payroll between Barnes/Poeltl/Barrett/Quickley/Ingram in 26-27. Filling out that team without being a taxpayer will be hard (first apron should be around 215 million, so 52 million for an entire bench when the MLE will be 16 million ish). Moving RJ makes it pretty reasonable to do that, assuming all of these players are keepers.
It will be doable if we dont bring back/trade Agbaji.
We will be at ~170M for 10 players and need a new deal for Poeltl. But maybe you're right and we are better off trading RJ to keep Agbaji.
Re: TOR-UTA-MIA
Posted: Mon May 19, 2025 4:02 am
by Texas Chuck
Toronto should jump all over this but maybe just cut Utah out. Miami shouldn't though.
Re: TOR-UTA-MIA
Posted: Mon May 19, 2025 4:05 am
by Godaddycurse
Texas Chuck wrote:Toronto should jump all over this but maybe just cut Utah out. Miami shouldn't though.
Nah Rozier is washed. This makes our team worse next year when we are trying to win. Collins might make sense if we dont draft a big though
Re: TOR-UTA-MIA
Posted: Mon May 19, 2025 4:07 am
by Texas Chuck
Godaddycurse wrote:Texas Chuck wrote:Toronto should jump all over this but maybe just cut Utah out. Miami shouldn't though.
Nah Rozier is washed. This makes our team worse next year when we are trying to win. Collins might make sense if we dont draft a big though
I don't think the team is as competitive as you, so I might prefer to keep the 2nds over trying to move from 11 to 10 with Collins. But its fine if you want to spend them.
The main point is a team is giving you an out on the RJ deal? Addition by subtraction they need to take.
Re: TOR-UTA-MIA
Posted: Mon May 19, 2025 4:17 am
by Godaddycurse
Texas Chuck wrote:
The main point is a team is giving you an out on the RJ deal? Addition by subtraction they need to take.
RJ for his warts still had a positive on/off and we dont have a reliable 6th man to replace him so theres not any addition.. just subtraction. i expect his efficiency to improve with lower usage next year. Raptors will have to make a decision on him and/or Agbaji before 26/27, but we can afford to use this year to see whom to keep long term