DEN/PDX forward swap

[Mr Puddles]

Proposed this in the post mortem and figured I'd share it here for feedback.

Denver trade to Portland

• MPJ: 36 mil through 26-27
• Nnaji: 9.5 mil (team option in 27-28)

For:

• Jerami Grant: 30 mil through 27-28
• Thybulle: 11.5 mil (expiring in 26)

Why for Denver.

• Acquire two more defensive minded players and hope that Grant can recapture his mojo in the place he thrived.

Why for Portland:

• Gets out of Grants contract a year earlier and take a flyer on a more talented and younger player in MPJ.

Humble request:

• If you think value is off, but close, please suggest how to improve the trade
• If you think value is close, but fit is off, maybe a three team trade can maybe solve this problem.

Line ups after trade:

Portland:

• Simmons
• Avdija
• Porter Jr
• Camara
• Ayton

Bench:

• Scoot
• Sharpe
• Murray
• Reath
• Clingan

Denver:

• Murray
• Braun
• Grant
• Gordon
• Jokic

Bench

• Paul (free agent - see spoiler)
• Strawther
• Thybulle
• Brown Jr (free agent - see spoiler)
• Watson
• Holmes

Spoiler:

Honestly, I'm expecting maybe people to say the Nuggets should blow things up which I think is crazy.

Losing in 7 games against a 68 win team isn't reason to blow things up.

While Denver is in a tough spot, they do have some positive things going on.
- Gordon's improvement and fit next to Jokic
- Christian Braun is young and improving
- while Murray is overpaid and has his flaws, the 2 man game between him and Jokic can be unstoppable at times.
- they have a bunch of young guys who have shown flashes in Watson and Stawther and a wild card in Holmes.

To me, upgrading Porter + adding depth is enough to run it back next year. But ofcourse that's easier said than done.

Step 1: trade MPJ + Nnaji to Portland Grant and Thybulle.

Step 2: convince atleast one of free agents Bruce Brown, Luke Kennard and Chris Paul to sign for the minimum.

1. Denver needs to do a better job at attracting free agents to take discounts for a year to increase their value. One thing the second apron has shows in that many rotational guys will not be getting the contracts they hope to get. Think Tyus Jones, Trent Jr., Achiuwa who all took discounts last year.
2. Bruce Brown, Luke Kennard and Chris Paul are all guys I'd target. Chris Paul could help stabilize a non-Jokic unit, Brown played his best ball next to Jokic, and Kennard's spacing would be insane next to Jokic.
3. The MPJ situation is a lot tougher, ideally the Nuggets can replace him with a 3&D guy but they hardly have assets to attach to him (ideally they would have included picks not players). A trade for Phoenix with KD would have made a lot of sense, if the Nuggets had had picks. Trade for Grant and Thybulle makes a ton of sense to me.

[youngthegiant]

Yea I'd probably pull the trigger on that if I'm Denver.

[vxmike]

MPJ’s last year is only guaranteed for $12m. This is a home run for Portland to get out from Grant’s deal. Not sure Thybulle is the best filler though as Jokic needs shooters.

[Astaluego]

I like the base of this, I would make it a little bigger to make it more attractive to Denver, I think it deserves some value.
Like adding Saric for Murray/Reath.

[tester551]

Proposed this in the post mortem and figured I'd share it here for feedback.

Denver trade to Portland

• MPJ: 36 mil through 26-27
• Nnaji: 9.5 mil (team option in 27-28)

For:

• Jerami Grant: 30 mil through 27-28
• Thybulle: 11.5 mil (expiring in 26)

Why for Denver.

• Acquire two more defensive minded players and hope that Grant can recapture his mojo in the place he thrived.

Why for Portland:

• Gets out of Grants contract a year earlier and take a flyer on a more talented and younger player in MPJ.

Humble request:

• If you think value is off, but close, please suggest how to improve the trade
• If you think value is close, but fit is off, maybe a three team trade can maybe solve this problem.

Line ups after trade:

Portland:

• Simmons
• Avdija
• Porter Jr
• Camara
• Ayton

Bench:

• Scoot
• Sharpe
• Murray
• Reath
• Clingan

Denver:

• Murray
• Braun
• Grant
• Gordon
• Jokic

Bench

• Paul (free agent - see spoiler)
• Strawther
• Thybulle
• Brown Jr (free agent - see spoiler)
• Watson
• Holmes

Spoiler:

Honestly, I'm expecting maybe people to say the Nuggets should blow things up which I think is crazy.

Losing in 7 games against a 68 win team isn't reason to blow things up.

While Denver is in a tough spot, they do have some positive things going on.
- Gordon's improvement and fit next to Jokic
- Christian Braun is young and improving
- while Murray is overpaid and has his flaws, the 2 man game between him and Jokic can be unstoppable at times.
- they have a bunch of young guys who have shown flashes in Watson and Stawther and a wild card in Holmes.

To me, upgrading Porter + adding depth is enough to run it back next year. But ofcourse that's easier said than done.

Step 1: trade MPJ + Nnaji to Portland Grant and Thybulle.

Step 2: convince atleast one of free agents Bruce Brown, Luke Kennard and Chris Paul to sign for the minimum.

1. Denver needs to do a better job at attracting free agents to take discounts for a year to increase their value. One thing the second apron has shows in that many rotational guys will not be getting the contracts they hope to get. Think Tyus Jones, Trent Jr., Achiuwa who all took discounts last year.
2. Bruce Brown, Luke Kennard and Chris Paul are all guys I'd target. Chris Paul could help stabilize a non-Jokic unit, Brown played his best ball next to Jokic, and Kennard's spacing would be insane next to Jokic.
3. The MPJ situation is a lot tougher, ideally the Nuggets can replace him with a 3&D guy but they hardly have assets to attach to him (ideally they would have included picks not players). A trade for Phoenix with KD would have made a lot of sense, if the Nuggets had had picks. Trade for Grant and Thybulle makes a ton of sense to me.

Id do this for Portland.
I really hate giving up Thybulle (as he's one of my favorite personalities on the team)...

[Mavrelous]

Should be Grant/Simmons for MPJ, Nnaji, Saric + fillers.
MPJ is better and shorter deal than Grant, it doesn't make sense for Denver.

[Dame Lizard]

I like it.

Grant is much better playing that Denver role as opposed to trying to be a 20ppg player - his defense drops off with the latter.

Yes for Portland.

[Norm2953]

This assumes Thybulle does not opt out of his contract but this fine with me

[JRoy]

It gets Grant off the team, which is great.

[Pattycakes]

It gets Grant off the team, which is great.

Qft. Bring it on

[Tim Lehrbach]

Easy yes for Portland. If Denver likes it, there's no need to haggle over "value," but I suspect they want Simons in this deal too. Load up with a new look for next year's run, but you're not committed to Simons beyond that. No idea whether Portland is foolish enough to refuse to move Anfernee.

[Scoot McGroot]

MPJ’s last year is only guaranteed for $12m. This is a home run for Portland to get out from Grant’s deal. Not sure Thybulle is the best filler though as Jokic needs shooters.

That year fully guaranteed with Denver’s championship win in 22/23.

[Scoot McGroot]

Proposed this in the post mortem and figured I'd share it here for feedback.

Denver trade to Portland

• MPJ: 36 mil through 26-27
• Nnaji: 9.5 mil (team option in 27-28)

Nnaji is a player option in 27-28, not a team option.

[Pattycakes]

Easy yes for Portland. If Denver likes it, there's no need to haggle over "value," but I suspect they want Simons in this deal too. Load up with a new look for next year's run, but you're not committed to Simons beyond that. No idea whether Portland is foolish enough to refuse to move Anfernee.

I’m not throwing in Simons whom alone has equal value to mpj, if not more..

I’d go Grant and Thybulle/Reath which are plenty value for Porter Jr.

Simons add and they can get us some young talent coming back then in return cause we’re setting them up for more title runs with vets.

[Tim Lehrbach]

Easy yes for Portland. If Denver likes it, there's no need to haggle over "value," but I suspect they want Simons in this deal too. Load up with a new look for next year's run, but you're not committed to Simons beyond that. No idea whether Portland is foolish enough to refuse to move Anfernee.

I’m not throwing in Simons whom alone has equal value to mpj, if not more..

I’d go Grant and Thybulle/Reath which are plenty value for Porter Jr.

Simons add and they can get us some young talent coming back then in return cause we’re setting them up for more title runs with vets.

I can understand that POV from a bargaining position, but I don't think Denver does MPJ for Grant + filler.

[BlazersBroncos]

I like a little bigger version.

Jerami Grant + Anfernee Simons + Duop Reath for Michael Porter JR + Zeke Nnaji + Dario Saric + Jalen Pickett + 2031 FRP Swap UNP

[LightTheBeam]

I don't see the point for Denver. If anything i'd be looking to break MPJ into 2-3 guys who can play their roles. Grant is just worse, and Thybulle doesn't get minutes as he provides much of what you get from Watson but just worse.

[JRoy]

I don't see the point for Denver. If anything i'd be looking to break MPJ into 2-3 guys who can play their roles. Grant is just worse, and Thybulle doesn't get minutes as he provides much of what you get from Watson but just worse.

Watson is an elite all nba defensive player?

[LightTheBeam]

I don't see the point for Denver. If anything i'd be looking to break MPJ into 2-3 guys who can play their roles. Grant is just worse, and Thybulle doesn't get minutes as he provides much of what you get from Watson but just worse.

Watson is an elite all nba defensive player?

Is Thybulle?

[Pattycakes]

I don't see the point for Denver. If anything i'd be looking to break MPJ into 2-3 guys who can play their roles. Grant is just worse, and Thybulle doesn't get minutes as he provides much of what you get from Watson but just worse.

Watson is an elite all nba defensive player?

Is Thybulle?

Absolutely. He’s a great role player.