UTA/BOS Updated

[AingesBurner]

Utah out: Collins #21, and #43
Utah in: Holiday, Hauser, unprotected 26 1st, #32, and 2030 or 2031 right to swap, top 1 protected

Boston out: Holiday, Hauser, unprotected 26 1st, #32, and 2030 or 2031 rights to swap, top 1 protected
Boston in: Collins, #21, and #43

Why for Boston: They are going to be facing the CBA pinch and clearing out their worst salary clears up room to keep Zinger, Brown, and Tatum. Collins had a great year and is expiring. Why no Markkanen? Too expensive for Boston. 2030 or 2031 swap choice is Boston’s decision.

Why for Utah: Eat a terrible contract but use expiring player to get assets.

[jayjaysee]

We’ve seen a lot cheaper options to dump Jrue.

Great trade for Utah imo

[AingesBurner]

We’ve seen a lot cheaper options to dump Jrue.

Great trade for Utah imo

Third team could get involved. Utah could swap #21 with Bostons 25 pick.

[AingesBurner]

We’ve seen a lot cheaper options to dump Jrue.

Great trade for Utah imo

Or swap #32 for #21. Boston could use #28 and #21 to try and move up.

[Mavrelous]

Hauser can be taken to many teams MLE.
You'e cutting 6 mils off Jrue salary for a heavy price, they have much simpler paths to do that with #28 and #32 w/o any future commitment.

[AingesBurner]

Hauser can be taken to many teams MLE.
You'e cutting 6 mils off Jrue salary for a heavy price, they have much simpler paths to do that with #28 and #32 w/o any future commitment.

You’re not dumping 90 mill for those picks and not getting anything useful back.

[AingesBurner]

We have to look at the market to see what the value would be. Most recent salary dump was 1 year of Westbrook and that netted Utah a 27 1st. That contract was 40 to 45 mill. LA got back DRuss… He was not an expiring player.

[Mavrelous]

Hauser can be taken to many teams MLE.
You'e cutting 6 mils off Jrue salary for a heavy price, they have much simpler paths to do that with #28 and #32 w/o any future commitment.

You’re not dumping 90 mill for those picks and not getting anything useful back.

They don't need to dump them all, just lower them, your trade doesn't dump them, it lowers next year by 6 millions.

[AingesBurner]

Hauser can be taken to many teams MLE.
You'e cutting 6 mils off Jrue salary for a heavy price, they have much simpler paths to do that with #28 and #32 w/o any future commitment.

You’re not dumping 90 mill for those picks and not getting anything useful back.

They don't need to dump them all, just lower them, your trade doesn't dump them, it lowers next year by 6 millions.

More than that. Hauser signed a 10 million per year contract. CBA is coming for Boston.

[Mavrelous]

You’re not dumping 90 mill for those picks and not getting anything useful back.

They don't need to dump them all, just lower them, your trade doesn't dump them, it lowers next year by 6 millions.

More than that. Hauser signed a 10 million per year contract. CBA is coming for Boston.

I just wrote that he can be dumped into any team MLE, Jazz aren't doing the Celtics any favours by taking him.

[AingesBurner]

They don't need to dump them all, just lower them, your trade doesn't dump them, it lowers next year by 6 millions.

More than that. Hauser signed a 10 million per year contract. CBA is coming for Boston.

I just wrote that he can be dumped into any team MLE, Jazz aren't doing the Celtics any favours by taking him.

If he has value then he can be rerouted by Boston. I’m sorry but 90 million for a guy who should be paid the MLE based on production? That’s a huge favor.

[brackdan70]

Utah out: Collins and #43
Utah in: Holiday, Hauser, unprotected 26 1st, and 2030 or 2031 right to swap, top 1 protected

Boston out: Holiday, Hauser, unprotected 26 1st, and 2030 or 2031 rights to swap, top 1 protected
Boston in: Collins and #43

Why for Boston: They are going to be facing the CBA pinch and clearing out their worst salary clears up room to keep Zinger, Brown, and Tatum. Collins had a great year and is expiring. Why no Markkanen? Too expensive for Boston. 2030 or 2031 swap choice is Boston’s decision.

Why for Utah: Eat a terrible contract but use expiring player to get assets.

I don’t think it costs this much to move Jrue.
His contract will be between 50th and 70th highest annual salary for the life of it.

[jayjaysee]

We’ve seen a lot cheaper options to dump Jrue.

Great trade for Utah imo

Third team could get involved. Utah could swap #21 with Bostons 25 pick.

Utah is just the wrong team to end up with Jrue is the point I think? And there should be no value requested for taking on Hauser.

But if Boston wanted Collins, and the third team that actually sees Jrue (could argue Dallas, Miami, Detroit, Charlotte, and probably a few other teams) as a “useful overpaid vet” instead of just asking for value for the full 90 million..

Then Utah could end up with something for trading Collins for similar money. Won’t be as exciting as an unprotected first from a Tatum-less Celtics or a distant swap.. but would be something.

No reason for Boston to not involve that third team.

[AingesBurner]

Utah out: Collins and #43
Utah in: Holiday, Hauser, unprotected 26 1st, and 2030 or 2031 right to swap, top 1 protected

Boston out: Holiday, Hauser, unprotected 26 1st, and 2030 or 2031 rights to swap, top 1 protected
Boston in: Collins and #43

Why for Boston: They are going to be facing the CBA pinch and clearing out their worst salary clears up room to keep Zinger, Brown, and Tatum. Collins had a great year and is expiring. Why no Markkanen? Too expensive for Boston. 2030 or 2031 swap choice is Boston’s decision.

Why for Utah: Eat a terrible contract but use expiring player to get assets.

I don’t think it costs this much to move Jrue.
His contract will be between 50th and 70th highest annual salary for the life of it.

His contract doesn’t match his production and age.

[brackdan70]

Utah out: Collins and #43
Utah in: Holiday, Hauser, unprotected 26 1st, and 2030 or 2031 right to swap, top 1 protected

Boston out: Holiday, Hauser, unprotected 26 1st, and 2030 or 2031 rights to swap, top 1 protected
Boston in: Collins and #43

Why for Boston: They are going to be facing the CBA pinch and clearing out their worst salary clears up room to keep Zinger, Brown, and Tatum. Collins had a great year and is expiring. Why no Markkanen? Too expensive for Boston. 2030 or 2031 swap choice is Boston’s decision.

Why for Utah: Eat a terrible contract but use expiring player to get assets.

I don’t think it costs this much to move Jrue.
His contract will be between 50th and 70th highest annual salary for the life of it.

His contract doesn’t match his production and age.

Agreed. Though this year he was around 60th in most impact stats for guys with 1750 minutes or more. He doesn’t seem like he will fall off that much to me in the next 3 years. He is overpaid but not to the extremes that many fans think. It won’t take an unprotected first, swap rights and a good rotation player on a good contract to move him.

[AingesBurner]

I don’t think it costs this much to move Jrue.
His contract will be between 50th and 70th highest annual salary for the life of it.

His contract doesn’t match his production and age.

Agreed. Though this year he was around 60th in most impact stats for guys with 1750 minutes or more. He doesn’t seem like he will fall off that much to me in the next 3 years. He is overpaid but not to the extremes that many fans think. It won’t take an unprotected first, swap rights and a good rotation player on a good contract to move him.

Reroute Hauser so Boston can get something in return. I don’t want him in Utah anyways.

[Texas Chuck]

jay nailed it. OP sees Utah as tanking. So he just sees the contract amount and then looks at only box scores thinking that captures the value of Jrue which of course it doesn't.

But by sending Jrue to a team that values him as a player, then Boston doesn't have to badly overpay. Of course I think the starting point here was getting assets to Utah. And in that case, Utah would need to find a way to send more value back to Boston.

[hugepatsfan]

I just don't see this at all. Jrue is still a very good player who will help a lot of contenders. I understand why Utah would view him as a nothing burger and not look at him as anymore than 2 extra contract years over Collins to take on, but I think BOS can make some intermediary deals here.

When people talk about teams making trades to save money, I think too often they simplify it down to one deal. I'll go back to when Brad Stevens took over as GM. They had to dump Tristian Thompson to stay under the tax. He didn't just outright trade Thompson away though. He traded Thompson for Kris Dunn and Bruno Fernando. Then he traded Dunn for Juan Hermangomez. Then at the deadline he dumped Fernando and Jermangomez. The bigger chunk of cash you try to move, the more logistically challenging and thus expensive via assets it is to execute. You're better off softening the cost through a series of more feasible deals one by one that shed more palatable amounts of money at a time.

[ReggiesKnicks]

This is a funny trade because it seems OP just keeps adding picks to tweak towards Utah, then Boston, then Utah.

There really isn't a valid reason for a trade to have both teams sending so many picks.

1) Holiday/Hauser for Collins

Boston needs to add additional value here. Teams don't pay unprotected 1sts to dump salary anymore, so the first instinct is Bostons #28 and #32.

2) Holiday/#28/#32 to Utah
Hauser to Detroit
Collins/#37 to Boston

Utah can look to trade Holiday to a team who is on the cusp for a minor asset(s).
Detroit gets another sniper.
Boston saves some money.

[psman2]

Boston should not be trading any kind of unprotected pick next season in a Jrue dump or even a far out swap. Between dumping Hauser into someone's MLE/TPE and then using some combination of #28 and #32 they should be able to find a trade(s) of KP/Jrue to find their money savings. OP seems to be forcing a trade do get that UP pick and swap when it is entirely not needed to accomplish Boston's goals.