Gauging Derrick White Trade Value

[hugepatsfan]

A lot of threads on here about Celtics cost cutting moves, often involving Holiday/Porzingis/Hauser. Not a ton of White trades though. It seems pretty universally accepted that White is really good and his contract is good so therefore BOS won't be inclined to move him, but I thin there's a very compelling BASKETBALL ARGUMENT (as opposed to FINANCIAL ARGUMENT) that they should move him...

Tatum will be out all of next year (25-26). When he comes back in 26-27, there seems likely to be a rust factor still. As a fan, I'm realistically expecting that the 27-28 season is when Tatum will be back at a level where BOS can realistically build around the idea that he'll be good enough to lead them on a potential finals run again. At that point Derrick White will be in his age 33 season. I think there's a strong argument to be made that he can be traded NOW for pieces that will be better served to help the Celtics THEN over White at that age.

So I'm not necessarily looking for offers that take the place of all the Jrue/Porzingis/Hauser salary slashes as much as I am an actual rebuilding focused basketball trade, because I think it's something BOS should really consider for putting together their next hopefully championship caliber team.

[jbk1234]

I'd love for the Cavs to trade for him, but the CBA makes it all but impossible given his salary. Neither team can send out more than they can get back, neither team can aggregate, and the Nets are the only team that can facilitate. This is a bad summer to try to shed salary and get value.

[Mavrelous]

Gafford, Hardy, LAL 29 1st, Mavs 31 1st.

[HadAnEffectHere]

Cap relief and 3-4 firsts.

If the Spurs could get Giannis for Castle+Harper+salary filler and still had salaries left over, they would absolutely trade good firsts for White. OKC would also trade some very good firsts for White.

[parsnips33]

I'm assuming nothing around Kuminga would be of interest, but Warriors would obviously love D White

[zimpy27]

Lakers would offer Reaves+Vando. Both are 26 and under.

[hugepatsfan]

I'd love for the Cavs to trade for him, but the CBA makes it all but impossible given his salary. Neither team can send out more than they can get back, neither team can aggregate, and the Nets are the only team that can facilitate. This is a bad summer to try to shed salary and get value.

I'd expect BOS to make salary slashes with the others like Holiday/Porzingis/Hauser. Obviously the math has to all work in the end, but I'd be interested even in hearing offers that BOS can't legally execute right now because once all the moves are laid out there, it's possible they could be done later.

[jbk1234]

Lakers would offer Reaves+Vando. Both are 26 and under.

I suspect the Celtics would prefer Reaves and Maxi's expiring as Reaves only has one cheap year left.

[zimpy27]

Lakers would offer Reaves+Vando. Both are 26 and under.

I suspect the Celtics would prefer Reaves and Maxi's expiring as Reaves only has one cheap year left.

Either way, I thought Vando might be an interesting piece for them with Tatum out since they lack big wing defense.

Jrue, Reaves, Brown, Vando, KP

[hugepatsfan]

Lakers would offer Reaves+Vando. Both are 26 and under.

I suspect the Celtics would prefer Reaves and Maxi's expiring as Reaves only has one cheap year left.

Either way, I thought Vando might be an interesting piece for them with Tatum out since they lack big wing defense.

Jrue, Reaves, Brown, Vando, KP

I do think Vando is interesting in that lineup, but keeping all that in tact requires BOS to stay in the 2nd apron which I don't see happening. I think there will be other deals with Jrue and/or KP to shed some salary. His game is kind of tricky to fit into lineups.

[redslastlaugh]

White starts his 4yr extension ($126) next year. This is a good contract but it does contain a 15% trade kicker. So if you trade for White (unless he waives it, not counting on that, lol) the contract becomes 4yr for $145 ... still good but not such a bargain.

White is 31 yrs (in July) but I think he's a young 31 because he was age 23 when drafted and played first yr in G-league. t's fair to expect he'll maintain his level for the next couple-three years. So your premise that by the basketball arguments he'd be more valuable to another team, that argument makes sense.

If you look at broad catchall metrics like RAPTOR WAR, Derrick White was 8th overall ... in the entire NBA ... for producing reg season wins. I think some of the more analytically minded teams value White as an all star level player and I think some of the more relationship-minded teams value White as a good player, excellent role player, legit starter but nothing special.

To the right team, Derrick should have a lot of value. Problem is a handful of teams have collected excess draft picks to where there is not much liquidity in the trade market. So I don't see a possibility of Mikal Bridges five firsts type of deal.

A lot of threads on here about Celtics cost cutting moves, often involving Holiday/Porzingis/Hauser. Not a ton of White trades though. It seems pretty universally accepted that White is really good and his contract is good so therefore BOS won't be inclined to move him, but I thin there's a very compelling BASKETBALL ARGUMENT (as opposed to FINANCIAL ARGUMENT) that they should move him...

[jbk1234]

I'd love for the Cavs to trade for him, but the CBA makes it all but impossible given his salary. Neither team can send out more than they can get back, neither team can aggregate, and the Nets are the only team that can facilitate. This is a bad summer to try to shed salary and get value.

I'd expect BOS to make salary slashes with the others like Holiday/Porzingis/Hauser. Obviously the math has to all work in the end, but I'd be interested even in hearing offers that BOS can't legally execute right now because once all the moves are laid out there, it's possible they could be done later.

Altman certainly sounded like a guy who's running it back today, and I agree with him, but assuming that was not the case and the Cavs offered Garland for White and Hauser, I think would prove very difficult for the Celtics to get themselves to a place where they could execute that trade.

[K_chile22]

Tari Eason and we try to dump money elsewhere. I love Tari but Derrick White might be an all star in the right context

[Viper1500]

Orlando would and should beat any offers. He is exactly what this team needs.

[hugepatsfan]

I'd love for the Cavs to trade for him, but the CBA makes it all but impossible given his salary. Neither team can send out more than they can get back, neither team can aggregate, and the Nets are the only team that can facilitate. This is a bad summer to try to shed salary and get value.

I'd expect BOS to make salary slashes with the others like Holiday/Porzingis/Hauser. Obviously the math has to all work in the end, but I'd be interested even in hearing offers that BOS can't legally execute right now because once all the moves are laid out there, it's possible they could be done later.

Altman certainly sounded like a guy who's running it back today, and I agree with him, but assuming that was not the case and the Cavs offered Garland for White and Hauser, I think would prove very difficult for the Celtics to get themselves to a place where they could execute that trade.

One of the things Brad Stevens did when he took over as GM was move away from the undersized PG types that Ainge had saddled him with. Between Smart, White, Brogdon, and Holiday he's consistently worked to always have bigger PGs and it's really helped their defense a lot. I'm not sure Garland would be of big interest to him as a piece to build around.

BUT, multi team deals could be in play. I know a lot of people have tried to "poach" Garland from the Cavs and while the returns weren't as appealing to CLE trying to actually improve from the trade, they might make more sense for a BOS team that's thinking more "reset the timeline" mindset. So I wouldn't like totally dismiss it.

[vege]

I would do Ivey + Ron + Sasser + 26 and 28 both top 5 protected for White.

Boston can probably get assets sending Ron and Sasser somewhere else to save money.

You could add my Houser to Detroit with Washington idea and save Boston 28ish million total (sending Ron and Sasser somewhere else for assets)

[BigGargamel]

Bring Derrick White home to Denver!

(yes, I know Denver has nothing to offer. Pipe dream.)

[Cricket23]

I would do Ivey + Ron + Sasser + 26 and 28 both top 5 protected for White.

Boston can probably get assets sending Ron and Sasser somewhere else to save money.

You could add my Houser to Detroit with Washington idea and save Boston 28ish million total (sending Ron and Sasser somewhere else for assets)

As a Celtics fan, I say done deal, and can you take Tillman as well? Boston keeps Holland and Ivey and finds more savings elsewhere. I want them to get younger and more athletic.

[MoreyWins]

Reed Sheppard and Tari Eason

[Cricket23]

Reed Sheppard and Tari Eason

Damn I'd be happy with that too