BOS / DET

[Celts17Pride]

Porzingis, Hauser, Tillman to Detroit for Stewart, Fontecchio, #37 pick.

Why for Detroit:

Detroit gets a borderline all-star center in Porzingis who has a one year deal. Potential low risk/high reward. Hauser who is a strong three point shooter and Tillman as a backup big. More shooting for Detroit offense centered around Cunningham.

Why for Boston:

Celtics get a replacement big in Stewart who has 2 years and 3rd year team option left on his contract. Fontecchio as a cheap Hauser replacement and the #37 pick as a roster filler. Celtics also save $20 million.

I think this is a good deal for both teams. Thoughts?

[Mavrelous]

Doubt Pistons give up Stewart for KP, they missed him a lot in the PO.

[Texas Chuck]

Detroit fans love Stewart so this is going to be DOA here.

I actually think its at least interesting. But probably simpler to send Fontecchio/37 to 3rd team, Hauser to Detroit and call it a day. That deal just makes a bunch of sense.

then find another deal saving money on KP.

[hugepatsfan]

I definitely don't see DET having any interest in the Hauser piece here. They either need to use cap space to take him on here or operate as an over the cap team and use their MLE to keep him. Either way, that's going to cost them their ability to keep Malik Beasley which I doubt they want to do for Hauser.

Strip that out and I think Stewart/Fontechhio for Porzingis/Tillman works salary wise. Maybe need to drop Tillman, but too lazy to check the math. While I think a healthy Porzingis would be phenomenal for them, that's simply not something anyone can count on. I do think teams would be very smart to "poach" him from BOS on low cost deals this offseason to just gamble on the upside, but you have them sending back a good young big in Stewart and an early 2nd. I wouldn't call it exactly low cost.

I think the pick is going the wrong way here. Porzingis/#28 for Stewart/Fontechhio. I'd say that's probably fair value, but DET probably views their timeline as not right for swapping Stewart for a late 1st and a 1 year upside gamble in Porzingis.

[redslastlaugh]

I think Detroit really values Beef Stew. If this was for pre-virus KP, then maybe. But KP with his injury history and now with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome that the Celtics are "confident" will be resolved in a couple weeks? I mean, it's sad for KP health but I think the post-viral malady is just too big a bridge to cross.

If it was a larger deal with a more valuable piece going out (Derrick White), maybe you could get some traction on this framework if Detroit will add Jaden Ivey.

Derrick White
Kristaps

for
Isaiah Stewart
Jaden Ivey
Simone Fontecchio

Porzingis, Hauser, Tillman to Detroit for Stewart, Fontecchio, #37 pick.

Why for Detroit:

Detroit gets a borderline all-star center in Porzingis who has a one year deal. Potential low risk/high reward. Hauser who is a strong three point shooter and Tillman as a backup big. More shooting for Detroit offense centered around Cunningham.

Why for Boston:

Celtics get a replacement big in Stewart who has 2 years and 3rd year team option left on his contract. Fontecchio as a cheap Hauser replacement and the #37 pick as a roster filler. Celtics also save $20 million.

I think this is a good deal for both teams. Thoughts?

[165bows]

KP to DET
Beef Stew to Orlando
Goga Bitadze to Boston

All on draft night

Detroit upgrades talent and shooting

Orlando gets another tough defender and better player for cap space

Boston gets a fat downgrade to get out of the tax after this injury-ridden debacle and goes back under the tax again for 26, so they can spend freely again when Tatum is back in 26-27.

Edit: eh this doesn't work was looking at the tax sheet not the cap sheet.

[theBigLip]

KP to DET
Beef Stew to Orlando
Goga Bitadze to Boston

All on draft night

Detroit upgrades talent and shooting

Orlando gets another tough defender and better player for cap space

Boston gets a fat downgrade to get out of the tax after this injury-ridden debacle and goes back under the tax again for 26, so they can spend freely again when Tatum is back in 26-27.

Edit: eh this doesn't work was looking at the tax sheet not the cap sheet.

I’d rather have Stewart at $15M than KP at $30M. And Stewart has a lot more years left.

[165bows]

KP to DET
Beef Stew to Orlando
Goga Bitadze to Boston

All on draft night

Detroit upgrades talent and shooting

Orlando gets another tough defender and better player for cap space

Boston gets a fat downgrade to get out of the tax after this injury-ridden debacle and goes back under the tax again for 26, so they can spend freely again when Tatum is back in 26-27.

Edit: eh this doesn't work was looking at the tax sheet not the cap sheet.

I’d rather have Stewart at $15M than KP at $30M. And Stewart has a lot more years left.

Idk how DET values him (higher than I thought based on this thread) but it seems like he didn't get on the floor a ton in the playoffs.

[MotownMadness]

KP to DET
Beef Stew to Orlando
Goga Bitadze to Boston

All on draft night

Detroit upgrades talent and shooting

Orlando gets another tough defender and better player for cap space

Boston gets a fat downgrade to get out of the tax after this injury-ridden debacle and goes back under the tax again for 26, so they can spend freely again when Tatum is back in 26-27.

Edit: eh this doesn't work was looking at the tax sheet not the cap sheet.

I’d rather have Stewart at $15M than KP at $30M. And Stewart has a lot more years left.

Idk how DET values him (higher than I thought based on this thread) but it seems like he didn't get on the floor a ton in the playoffs.

He was ruled out with injury that series

[DetroitSho]

KP to DET
Beef Stew to Orlando
Goga Bitadze to Boston

All on draft night

Detroit upgrades talent and shooting

Orlando gets another tough defender and better player for cap space

Boston gets a fat downgrade to get out of the tax after this injury-ridden debacle and goes back under the tax again for 26, so they can spend freely again when Tatum is back in 26-27.

Edit: eh this doesn't work was looking at the tax sheet not the cap sheet.

I’d rather have Stewart at $15M than KP at $30M. And Stewart has a lot more years left.

Idk how DET values him (higher than I thought based on this thread) but it seems like he didn't get on the floor a ton in the playoffs.

You seriously thought he was DNP-CD or something?

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[tmorgan]

The deal that sends Stewart out of Detroit will be to some team that values him very highly and sends us the robin Cade clearly needs. This seems unlikely, given that a lot of the stuff Detroit values from Beef Stew (leadership, culture, toughness, been through the awful times and still standing) does not transfer easily or at all to a new team.

KP can’t be counted on to be that guy, clearly, so this isn’t it.

And to whoever brought it up, did you not watch Game 1 vs New York? Stew could barely move and was still out there contesting shots and giving it all he had. I’m sure the team docs had to talk him out of really messing himself up long-term once he completely stiffened up after the game, and he missed the rest of the series. It really hurt our chances, he’s one of our two elite defenders and he couldn’t play.

[Slim Charless]

I’d rather have Stewart at $15M than KP at $30M. And Stewart has a lot more years left.

Idk how DET values him (higher than I thought based on this thread) but it seems like he didn't get on the floor a ton in the playoffs.

You seriously thought he was DNP-CD or something?

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I think a deal between your teams should center around Jaylen Brown.

Stewart
Ivey
Holland or Ausur

[tmorgan]

Idk how DET values him (higher than I thought based on this thread) but it seems like he didn't get on the floor a ton in the playoffs.

You seriously thought he was DNP-CD or something?

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I think a deal between your teams should center around Jaylen Brown.

Stewart
Ivey
Holland or Ausur

If the Celtics can get that kind of value out of JB on his enormous contract, they should take it. I don’t think we’re that stupid.

[theBigLip]

You seriously thought he was DNP-CD or something?

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I think a deal between your teams should center around Jaylen Brown.

Stewart
Ivey
Holland or Ausur

If the Celtics can get that kind of value out of JB on his enormous contract, they should take it. I don’t think we’re that stupid.

Totally agree. Max contracts turn negative very quickly. Is Brown’s contract even neutral at this point? He’s clearly not a #1 guy even though he’s getting paid like one. Ivey could be as good as Brown some day, same as Ausar. Brown is athletic and has steadily improved his game, but no one in the league is thinking Boston should just run it back because Brown can fill in for Tatum’s #1 role.

Teams need to behave differently with the new CBA. Forget about getting a “Big 3” anymore. It’s better to get one star at the max and have a couple of good guys at $30M and then good value two way players filling out the rotation.

Brown’s getting paid $53M, $57M, $61M and $65M the next 4 years. He’s just not worth it.

[165bows]

I’d rather have Stewart at $15M than KP at $30M. And Stewart has a lot more years left.

Idk how DET values him (higher than I thought based on this thread) but it seems like he didn't get on the floor a ton in the playoffs.

You seriously thought he was DNP-CD or something?

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He played his exact RS minutes avg so kind of not that weird a thing for a guy that really isn’t that notable thinking about, kind of my point already.

[tmorgan]

So this turns into thread number twenty (or thirty) of “Stewart is unremarkable… will you trade him to us?” Getting old.

[Mr Peanut]

A cost controlled and continually improving Isaiah Stewart for the next three years is much more valuable than an injury plagued and overpaid Porzingis who is due for a new contract next offseason. Then we're throwing in an expiring Fontecchio and our early second round pick to take on Hauser who I think is reasonable value on his contract but will also take minutes away from our young SFs Ausar and Holland. Would have to pass.

[Snakebites]

KP to DET
Beef Stew to Orlando
Goga Bitadze to Boston

All on draft night

Detroit upgrades talent and shooting

Orlando gets another tough defender and better player for cap space

Boston gets a fat downgrade to get out of the tax after this injury-ridden debacle and goes back under the tax again for 26, so they can spend freely again when Tatum is back in 26-27.

Edit: eh this doesn't work was looking at the tax sheet not the cap sheet.

I’d rather have Stewart at $15M than KP at $30M. And Stewart has a lot more years left.

Idk how DET values him (higher than I thought based on this thread) but it seems like he didn't get on the floor a ton in the playoffs.

Strange post.

Stewart got injured in the fourth quarter of game one and did not return for the series.

Porzingis on paper is a fit that’s easily worth giving up Stewart for. The primary issue is how infrequently he actually plays.

Langdon has been pretty consistent in saying availability is a priority for the team.

[Devilanche]

So this turns into thread number twenty (or thirty) of “Stewart is unremarkable… will you trade him to us?” Getting old.

He probably is, but that’s the reason he’s not going to be traded. Detroit value him higher than any team willing to pay.

[Kalamazoo317]

I've yet to see a Pistons fan propose a trade sending Beefstew out. But I've seen tons of trades from other teams' fans talking about bringing him in. I think that says it all.