SA/PHX

[sterncohen]

For San Antonio, this is an "if Giannis isn't available, or we get outbid" option.

To SA:
Kevin Durant

To PHX:
Devin Vassell
Keldon Johnson
2025 #14
2026 better of SA and ATL 1st's

Why for SA: Kevin Durant. Yes, the age range would be pretty wild - but a team with Wemby, Durant, and Fox, serviceable pieces around them (Castle, Barnes, Sochan, Champagnie) plus the #2 pick is a contender for the next few years. At this price, why not?

Why for PHX: Durant's time with the team has pretty clearly come to an end. Can they do better than two serviceable players, a late lottery pick this year, and a reasonably high upside pick next year? If they can, they should, of course, but I don't see that market developing. Maybe they can get one more future first out of SA? Probably not a deal-breaker if it's one of SA's own picks in the not terribly distant future.

[ReggiesKnicks]

Solid offer for KD. A mid-1st this year and likely a mid-1st next year along with middling salary.

[Texas Chuck]

I think if you insist on both Vassell and Keldon, it needs a better asset attached. Take out Vassell and do Barnes and I think this is probably fine. But I think the Spurs would be better off moving both contracts and just giving up a bit more then they can extend KD with no pain.

[sterncohen]

I think if you insist on both Vassell and Keldon, it needs a better asset attached. Take out Vassell and do Barnes and I think this is probably fine. But I think the Spurs would be better off moving both contracts and just giving up a bit more then they can extend KD with no pain.

Interesting - I thought of Vassell as having (modest) positive value. Not much use for Phoenix, but potentially movable for a modest asset and an expiring. But I don't think including Barnes instead would be a problem for San Antonio if Phoenix preferred that.

[Chinook]

The 2026 pick is really good, especially if Wemby comes back slow. Personally, I'm going into negotiations with just 14 and then adding a protected pick as the next step. Let the Suns field other offers and see what shakes out. I'm okay with the Spurs upping the offer a bit beyond that if the bidding requires it, but not as them bidding against themselves. If the Suns are looking to liquidate, I'd also want the Spurs to ask about adding Royce O'Neale into the deal. It's relatively easy for the Spurs to absorb his contract via the new matching rules or the MLE, and the team will need rotational forwards if they're moving two-to-four in this deal.

I don't trade Vassell as a negative asset this year. I'm okay with the idea of seeing if he can make the transition to being a three-and-D player on a club that definitively doesn't need him to be playmaker. If he can, he's a solid role-player whose contract will look more and more fine as time goes on. If he can't, THEN he can be used as a negative ballast. The Spurs do not NEED to trade him to match any contract in the NBA, and they shouldn't do it unless it adds value.

But as I've stated pretty clearly, I'm a fan of Durant to the Spurs on a good price (both in terms of trade and extension). He's the best fit in the NBA in terms of star players. Even his age is a relative plus.

[Slim Charless]

I think if you insist on both Vassell and Keldon, it needs a better asset attached. Take out Vassell and do Barnes and I think this is probably fine. But I think the Spurs would be better off moving both contracts and just giving up a bit more then they can extend KD with no pain.

Interesting - I thought of Vassell as having (modest) positive value. Not much use for Phoenix, but potentially movable for a modest asset and an expiring. But I don't think including Barnes instead would be a problem for San Antonio if Phoenix preferred that.

I think that with the rumors of MIL's GM wanting to crush the Giannis trade, I feel the market for KD will be pretty nice.

For example if MIL wants both #2 and Castle, then by comparison the deal for Durant will be much easier.

Long story short, I'm gonna need more and I think the Suns can get it. The amount that MIL will ask is gonna be a TON

[KdoubleDees23]

How about Spurs trade

KD for Vassell , Johnson and those picks mentioned
Giannis for #2, Barnes, and Castle

Run

Fox
Champagnie
KD
Giannis
Wemby

[Chinook]

How about Spurs trade

KD for Vassell , Johnson and those picks mentioned
Giannis for #2, Barnes, and Castle

Run

Fox
Champagnie
KD
Giannis
Wemby

I do not want the Spurs to trade for Giannis. It really doesn't matter the circumstances. So for me, working that into the deal kills it stone dead, not even getting into if the Bucks would do it.

I see no reason why this thread needs to become yet another Giannis thread. Trading for Durant would be the only major trade for the year. It'd be there to help for the future as much as the present. It's not there to be part of an all-in move like it might be for other teams.

[jredsaz]

For San Antonio, this is an "if Giannis isn't available, or we get outbid" option.

To SA:
Kevin Durant

To PHX:
Devin Vassell
Keldon Johnson
2025 #14
2026 better of SA and ATL 1st's

Why for SA: Kevin Durant. Yes, the age range would be pretty wild - but a team with Wemby, Durant, and Fox, serviceable pieces around them (Castle, Barnes, Sochan, Champagnie) plus the #2 pick is a contender for the next few years. At this price, why not?

Why for PHX: Durant's time with the team has pretty clearly come to an end. Can they do better than two serviceable players, a late lottery pick this year, and a reasonably high upside pick next year? If they can, they should, of course, but I don't see that market developing. Maybe they can get one more future first out of SA? Probably not a deal-breaker if it's one of SA's own picks in the not terribly distant future.

The value is close. I think the Suns get another asset out of the Spurs and a multiple team trade takes shape. Rumor has it that the Suns desperately want to move up the draft board and this does that.

[williambh3]

Durant to Spurs makes too much sense.

I do think the Suns prefer picks this year and young players with upside vs future picks.

[One_and_Done]

For San Antonio, this is an "if Giannis isn't available, or we get outbid" option.

To SA:
Kevin Durant

To PHX:
Devin Vassell
Keldon Johnson
2025 #14
2026 better of SA and ATL 1st's

Why for SA: Kevin Durant. Yes, the age range would be pretty wild - but a team with Wemby, Durant, and Fox, serviceable pieces around them (Castle, Barnes, Sochan, Champagnie) plus the #2 pick is a contender for the next few years. At this price, why not?

Why for PHX: Durant's time with the team has pretty clearly come to an end. Can they do better than two serviceable players, a late lottery pick this year, and a reasonably high upside pick next year? If they can, they should, of course, but I don't see that market developing. Maybe they can get one more future first out of SA? Probably not a deal-breaker if it's one of SA's own picks in the not terribly distant future.

Take out thr future pick and it's fair. KD is 37.

[Astaluego]

Vassell+14+Future FRP JAZZ
KD SPURS
Collins/Kessler/Barnes SUNS

[Saberestar]

For San Antonio, this is an "if Giannis isn't available, or we get outbid" option.

To SA:
Kevin Durant

To PHX:
Devin Vassell
Keldon Johnson
2025 #14
2026 better of SA and ATL 1st's

Why for SA: Kevin Durant. Yes, the age range would be pretty wild - but a team with Wemby, Durant, and Fox, serviceable pieces around them (Castle, Barnes, Sochan, Champagnie) plus the #2 pick is a contender for the next few years. At this price, why not?

Why for PHX: Durant's time with the team has pretty clearly come to an end. Can they do better than two serviceable players, a late lottery pick this year, and a reasonably high upside pick next year? If they can, they should, of course, but I don't see that market developing. Maybe they can get one more future first out of SA? Probably not a deal-breaker if it's one of SA's own picks in the not terribly distant future.

Take out thr future pick and it's fair. KD is 37.

KD is 36 years old. Sorry if that doesn’t like you o you want him to look older than he actually is but that's the truth. Deal with it.

Do you want to say that he will be 37 in October...OK, that would be correct but doesn’t makes sense to say "IS" because it's false.

That way people that are lazy enough to find his actual age would think that he would be 38 next year in May.

[One_and_Done]

For San Antonio, this is an "if Giannis isn't available, or we get outbid" option.

To SA:
Kevin Durant

To PHX:
Devin Vassell
Keldon Johnson
2025 #14
2026 better of SA and ATL 1st's

Why for SA: Kevin Durant. Yes, the age range would be pretty wild - but a team with Wemby, Durant, and Fox, serviceable pieces around them (Castle, Barnes, Sochan, Champagnie) plus the #2 pick is a contender for the next few years. At this price, why not?

Why for PHX: Durant's time with the team has pretty clearly come to an end. Can they do better than two serviceable players, a late lottery pick this year, and a reasonably high upside pick next year? If they can, they should, of course, but I don't see that market developing. Maybe they can get one more future first out of SA? Probably not a deal-breaker if it's one of SA's own picks in the not terribly distant future.

Take out thr future pick and it's fair. KD is 37.

KD is 36 years old. Sorry if that doesn’t like you o you want him to look older than he actually is but that's the truth. Deal with it.

Do you want to say that he will be 37 in October...OK, that would be correct but doesn’t makes sense to say "IS" because it's false.

That way people that are lazy enough to find his actual age would think that he would be 38 next year in May.

He's 37 next season, which is when he will actually be playing next. What benefit does 36 yr old KD grant you when he's sitting on a beach in the offseason?

[Saberestar]

Take out thr future pick and it's fair. KD is 37.

KD is 36 years old. Sorry if that doesn’t like you o you want him to look older than he actually is but that's the truth. Deal with it.

Do you want to say that he will be 37 in October...OK, that would be correct but doesn’t makes sense to say "IS" because it's false.

That way people that are lazy enough to find his actual age would think that he would be 38 next year in May.

He's 37 next season, which is when he will actually be playing next. What benefit does 36 yr old KD grant you when he's sitting on a beach in the offseason?

Have you ever heard about that thing named Marketing? Merchandising? Promotions? Tickets sales? And list goes on and on...

[One_and_Done]

KD is 36 years old. Sorry if that doesn’t like you o you want him to look older than he actually is but that's the truth. Deal with it.

Do you want to say that he will be 37 in October...OK, that would be correct but doesn’t makes sense to say "IS" because it's false.

That way people that are lazy enough to find his actual age would think that he would be 38 next year in May.

He's 37 next season, which is when he will actually be playing next. What benefit does 36 yr old KD grant you when he's sitting on a beach in the offseason?

Have you ever heard about that thing named marketing? Merchandising? Promotions? Tickets sales? And the list goes on and on...

You think Spurs fans (who sell out most every game anyway) are going to be looking up KDs age online, and the fact he's not 37 until shortly before the season starts will somehow induce them to spend more money on the team? 'Whoa, KD is 5 months younger than the haters said! Well, now I have to get a season ticket! If he'd turned 37 before we traded for him I would never do that! I can't wait to see 36 year old KD not play for us, while he chills on a beach this offseason!'

Please tell me you're joking.

[Saberestar]

He's 37 next season, which is when he will actually be playing next. What benefit does 36 yr old KD grant you when he's sitting on a beach in the offseason?

Have you ever heard about that thing named marketing? Merchandising? Promotions? Tickets sales? And the list goes on and on...

You think Spurs fans (who sell out most every game anyway) are going to be looking up KDs age online, and the fact he's not 37 until shortly before the season starts will somehow induce them to spend more money on the team? 'Whoa, KD is 5 months younger than the haters said! Well, now I have to get a season ticket! If he'd turned 37 before we traded for him I would never do that! I can't wait to see 36 year old KD not play for us, while he chills on a beach this offseason!'

Please tell me you're joking.

Do you think that the basketball world starts and ends in San Antonio? We are talking about KD, he makes your team selling more merchandising, higher ticket prices, more National TV games, and multiple other stuff.

He is 36 years old, it's not that difficult to understand. Just take the L with dignity and move on.

[One_and_Done]

Have you ever heard about that thing named marketing? Merchandising? Promotions? Tickets sales? And the list goes on and on...

You think Spurs fans (who sell out most every game anyway) are going to be looking up KDs age online, and the fact he's not 37 until shortly before the season starts will somehow induce them to spend more money on the team? 'Whoa, KD is 5 months younger than the haters said! Well, now I have to get a season ticket! If he'd turned 37 before we traded for him I would never do that! I can't wait to see 36 year old KD not play for us, while he chills on a beach this offseason!'

Please tell me you're joking.

Do you think that the basketball world starts and ends in San Antonio? We are talking about KD, he makes your team selling more merchandising, higher ticket prices, more National TV games, and multiple other stuff.

He is 36 years old, it's not that difficult to understand. Just take the L with dignity and move on.

He is 37 when he starts playing actual games for them. Who cares what age he is before he is even able to play for the team?

The Spurs have Wemby. They don't need 37 yr old KD to give them anything marketing wise. If old man KD was the big draw you think he is then the Suns wouldn't have been 23rd in attendance this season (behind the Spurs at 18th). You also seem confused about how teams get revenue. National TV games are part of the TV contract for all 30 teams. Having more games on national TV doesn't give the teams on TV any additional revenue. Nor do jersey sales go to the team.

[Saberestar]

You think Spurs fans (who sell out most every game anyway) are going to be looking up KDs age online, and the fact he's not 37 until shortly before the season starts will somehow induce them to spend more money on the team? 'Whoa, KD is 5 months younger than the haters said! Well, now I have to get a season ticket! If he'd turned 37 before we traded for him I would never do that! I can't wait to see 36 year old KD not play for us, while he chills on a beach this offseason!'

Please tell me you're joking.

Do you think that the basketball world starts and ends in San Antonio? We are talking about KD, he makes your team selling more merchandising, higher ticket prices, more National TV games, and multiple other stuff.

He is 36 years old, it's not that difficult to understand. Just take the L with dignity and move on.

He is 37 when he starts playing actual games for them. Who cares what age he is before he is even able to play for the team?

The Spurs have Wemby. They don't need 37 yr old KD to give them anything marketing wise. If old man KD was the big draw you think he is then the Suns wouldn't have been 23rd in attendance this season (behind the Spurs at 18th). You also seem confused about how teams get revenue. National TV games are part of the TV contract for all 30 teams. Having more games on national TV doesn't give the teams on TV any additional revenue. Nor do jersey sales go to the team.

Well, you are not gonna admit that you were wrong about it, sad but pretty common. Have a nice day.

[One_and_Done]

Do you think that the basketball world starts and ends in San Antonio? We are talking about KD, he makes your team selling more merchandising, higher ticket prices, more National TV games, and multiple other stuff.

He is 36 years old, it's not that difficult to understand. Just take the L with dignity and move on.

He is 37 when he starts playing actual games for them. Who cares what age he is before he is even able to play for the team?

The Spurs have Wemby. They don't need 37 yr old KD to give them anything marketing wise. If old man KD was the big draw you think he is then the Suns wouldn't have been 23rd in attendance this season (behind the Spurs at 18th). You also seem confused about how teams get revenue. National TV games are part of the TV contract for all 30 teams. Having more games on national TV doesn't give the teams on TV any additional revenue. Nor do jersey sales go to the team.

Well, you are not gonna admit that you were wrong about it, sad but pretty common. Have a nice day.

I'm not wrong. KD is 37 before he can play for the Spurs, which is the player they're trading for. They're not trading for the guy he used to be.