PDX Offseason (ORL / CHA / BOS / NO)

[BlazersBroncos]

TRADE 1

Portland Trades
Anfernee Simons G
Duop Reath C

Orlando Trades
Jonathan Isaac FC
#16

WHY FOR PORTLAND
They dont see Simons as willing to accept a backup role and are intent on handing the keys to Scoot here. They take on the longer deal of JI but he fits the teams defensive identity while getting a middle FRP as compensation.

WHY FOR ORL
They finally make a move for a scoring / 3PT volume guard. Simons is a ORL native and moving off JI's contract helps them resign him after 25/26. They move a FRP but still have a late one to play with. Reath is a cheap floor spacer who can alleviate big man depth w/ JI going out.

TRADE 2 (Basically stolen from Texas Chuck)

Portland Trades
Robert Williams III to BOS
Kris Murray to CHA

Portland Receives
Jusuf Nurkic from CHA
#34 from CHA

Boston Trades
Jrue Holiday to CHA
#28 to CHA

Boston Receives
Robert Williams III from PDX
Josh Okogie from CHA

Charlotte Trades
Jusuf Nurkic to PDX
Josh Okogie to BOS
#34 to PDX

Charlotte Receives
Jrue Holiday from BOS
Kris Murray from PDX
#28 from BOS

WHY FOR PDX - They take on Nurkic but get a SRP. Nurkic has been in PDX before and that might help his attitude on being a 15mpg backup.
WHY FOR BOS - They save a TON of money and get 2 rotation players. Okogie is a nice 3/D and RWIII if healthy is a huge steal.
WHY FOR CHA - They take on the Holiday contract but IMO he is a great fit for a young and often immature team. He fills in when Ball inevitably misses time and is a pros pro who will help set a culture tone. They move up 6 slots as well.

TRADE 3

Portland Trades
DeAndre Ayton C

New Orleans Trades
CJ McCollum G

WHY FOR PDX - They are straddling the line between win-now and rebuild and here get a 3rd guard to hedge the development of Scoot and Sharpe. CJ is a great locker room and culture guy who would be a tremendous fit as a 6th man - able to play on and off ball and provide some of the shooting they miss w/ Simons out.
WHY FOR NO - This is somewhat dependent on them taking a G like Kasparas or Kon in R1. Ayton and CJ have the same contract basically and NO decides to swing on DA for a season to see how he fits w/ Zion and company while moving Jordan into the second starting G spot and opening time for Kasparas or Kon.

DRAFT
#11 - Noa Essengue F - PDX takes a swing here on a high upside guy who will have time to develop behind a number of vet forwards.
#16 - Egor Demin GF - PDX scout Mike Schmitz has been connected to Egor and if they have a chance to take the flawed but talented point forward I think they likely will.
#34 - Alex Condon C - A bit more nimble than Clingan he is a nice compliment to the big guy long term as a backup.

G - Scoot Henderson / CJ McCollum / Egor Demin
G - Shadeon Sharpe / CJ McCollum / Matisse Thybulle
F - Toumani Camara / Jerami Grant / Matisse Thybulle / Rayan Rupert
F - Deni Avdija / Jonathan Isaac / Jerami Grant / Noa Essengue
C - Donovan Clingan / Jusuf Nurkic / Jonathan Isaac / Alex Condon

[ReggiesKnicks]

Deal #1:
Why is Reath in the first deal?
#16 is steep for Simons.
Simons for Isaac/#25 is much closer.

Deal #2:
Sub in Green for Okogie.

Deal #3:
New Orleans has no back-court depth. I can't see them trading their current starting PG for another Center when they have Olynyk/Missi while also taking on some salary.

[BlazersBroncos]

Deal #1:
Why is Reath in the first deal?
#16 is steep for Simons.
Simons for Isaac/#25 is much closer.

Deal #2:
Sub in Green for Okogie.

Deal #3:
New Orleans has no back-court depth. I can't see them trading their current starting PG for another Center when they have Olynyk/Missi while also taking on some salary.

I agree 16 is a bit steep for Simons - assuming he was going out for a similar EC. Taking on JI here necessitates the higher FRP IMO.

I think BOS would prefer Okogie to Green due to contract length - but if this is a sticking point for CHA maybe BOS would come around.

I forgot that NO has Olynyk. That may tank the CJ trade (Unless there is a KO deal where NO gets a G - maybe IND as a target w/ TJ?)

[Magic_Johnny12]

Is Simons at this stage really worth a near lottery pick?

I see his value more like expirings and a few SRP’s. Maybe #25 is longer term salary is attached.

I also don’t think it makes financial sense for Orlando to trade for Simons while still having KCP.

[ReggiesKnicks]

Deal #1:
Why is Reath in the first deal?
#16 is steep for Simons.
Simons for Isaac/#25 is much closer.

Deal #2:
Sub in Green for Okogie.

Deal #3:
New Orleans has no back-court depth. I can't see them trading their current starting PG for another Center when they have Olynyk/Missi while also taking on some salary.

I agree 16 is a bit steep for Simons - assuming he was going out for a similar EC. Taking on JI here necessitates the higher FRP IMO.

Why? Isaac is an elite defender with a friendly contract. He is paid the MLE and will be below the MLE by the end of his contract.

[Jon1798]

Pels certainly could take Fears in the draft. And they have CJ, Murray, Jose, Hawkins among others. I just don’t think they would be interested in Ayton. Remember Willie Green was assistant coach in Phoenix with Monty while Ayton was there. It’s kindof like trading the NBA man of the year for a problem child. Tough pill to swallow, though age/talent/position makes sense to me.

[Tim Lehrbach]

I don't think Orlando does the first deal, Charlotte does the second deal, or New Orleans does the third deal -- but I like the direction for Portland.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Deal #1:
Why is Reath in the first deal?
#16 is steep for Simons.
Simons for Isaac/#25 is much closer.

Deal #2:
Sub in Green for Okogie.

Deal #3:
New Orleans has no back-court depth. I can't see them trading their current starting PG for another Center when they have Olynyk/Missi while also taking on some salary.

I agree 16 is a bit steep for Simons - assuming he was going out for a similar EC. Taking on JI here necessitates the higher FRP IMO.

Why? Isaac is an elite defender with a friendly contract. He is paid the MLE and will be below the MLE by the end of his contract.

not to mention if he doesn't hit his games played number he can be dumped for 8M guaranteed 26-27 season and has no guarantees in 27-28. It's somewhat of a low risk move if that's all Portland is taking back money wise past 1 year. Feel like Isaac would be a solid defensive minded wing to cover for Scoot/Sharpe

[BlazersBroncos]

I thought JI was in the 25M AV range. I concede that at 15M and the game played dump option that 25 is more reasonable than 16.

[Godaddycurse]

I thought JI was in the 25M AV range. I concede that at 15M and the game played dump option that 25 is more reasonable than 16.

well at 15M trade 1 is illegal for Orlando. they need to send out more than in coming as well.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

I thought JI was in the 25M AV range. I concede that at 15M and the game played dump option that 25 is more reasonable than 16.

well at 15M trade 1 is illegal for Orlando. they need to send out more than in coming as well.

that's where it gets somewhat tricky including Reath.. I feel like you just remove him and it's a cleaner deal.

Orlando trades Isaac, Cole, 25th for Simons... If Portland absolutely has to have 16th pick then Orlando probably allow it. Orlando then makes a move for Royce O'Neale at that backup 3/4 spot to cover.

if Orlando wants Reath it would have to be Isaac, Cole, 25th and Jett (1+1 team option) or Gary (expiring) for Simons, Reath

[Knightro]

I thought JI was in the 25M AV range. I concede that at 15M and the game played dump option that 25 is more reasonable than 16.

His contract drops from $25M to $15M on July 1.

[Froob]

Robert Williams is basically retired. Don't want him, he's a mid lvl salary as far as I'm concerned. I can def see Charles Lee wanting Jrue though

[BlazersBroncos]

Robert Williams is basically retired. Don't want him, he's a mid lvl salary as far as I'm concerned. I can def see Charles Lee wanting Jrue though

I agree.

What about getting MEM looped in.

Clarke for RWIII swap w/ Clarke going to BOS.

MEM does it to shave a year from Clarke - opening more financial flexability to pay JJJ and Santi (This assumes they cant dump Clarke for nothing - which I strongly agree with).
BOS gets a rotation level big man who is only locked in for 2 years at 12M. They cut Holiday at like 35M for 3 years into Okogie (7.75M) and Clarke (12M / 12M).

[orlando_joe]

i do not see this as is ..do not see JI in deal...and need more money can not take on 13 plus mill more then sending out and do not want reath
and 16 is a bit much..kcp and 25...portland i think if do not want kcp extra yr can find expirings for him magic can add cash or 2nd if needed

[JRoy]

If 25 and garbage is the deal, POR will pass.

[BlazersBroncos]

i do not see this as is ..do not see JI in deal...and need more money can not take on 13 plus mill more then sending out and do not want reath
and 16 is a bit much..kcp and 25...portland i think if do not want kcp extra yr can find expirings for him magic can add cash or 2nd if needed

I am very hesitant to believe any team takes on KCP for 2 years 22M AV for free or a few SRP. Which team does that? A older 3/D coming off a poor shooting season who was generally considered an overpay when he signed and was both younger and shooting much better.

I could see an argument for 25 bring fair compensation if Simons had 2 years as KCP does - even then it would be on the bubble. But as it stands trading the better, younger player AND taking on 22M in salary is not being alleviated by pick 25.

[Jellybeans]

Can you guys stop trading Rob and Smart back to Boston because our hearts got broken in playoffs?

[Froob]

Can you guys stop trading Rob and Smart back to Boston because our hearts got broken in playoffs?

perhaps vet min in a few years for those guys. I think rob’s career is basically over though unfortunately. smart I could see returning in a smaller role someday

[orlando_joe]

i do not see this as is ..do not see JI in deal...and need more money can not take on 13 plus mill more then sending out and do not want reath
and 16 is a bit much..kcp and 25...portland i think if do not want kcp extra yr can find expirings for him magic can add cash or 2nd if needed

I am very hesitant to believe any team takes on KCP for 2 years 22M AV for free or a few SRP. Which team does that? A older 3/D coming off a poor shooting season who was generally considered an overpay when he signed and was both younger and shooting much better.

I could see an argument for 25 bring fair compensation if Simons had 2 years as KCP does - even then it would be on the bubble. But as it stands trading the better, younger player AND taking on 22M in salary is not being alleviated by pick 25.

well its only 1 yr? expirings hello? simons makes 6 mill more next yr so how is that 2 yrs? kcp plays great d still and even in bad yr shot 35% from 3..no reason to think he can not hit 37 plus again next season...it is not like kcp is as bad at offense as simons is at defense