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Bucks get Barnes, RJ, #9 (drafted), TOR26FRP, TOR28FRP, TOR30FRP, TOR32FRP

Raptors get Giannis


Raptors go all in with IQ, Dick, BI, Giannis, Poeltl, they'd bring back Boucher and have access to full MLE ($14m) and BAE ($5m) to go hunting on free agent market.

Bucks get a couple young starters, pick 9 and some nice future unprotected picks.
Similar to the Gobert trade except a much better pick drafted (9 vs 22) and actual decent players (Barnes+RJ) for Giannis vs filler for Gobert.

This is a easy yes if Giannis signs a extension, giving up that much future draft capital for a guy with one more year after this (assuming he decides his player option) could be disastrous even if it's Giannis. That Toronto team would be desperate to get a quality backup C and I think another guard.

I am sure a few teams could beat that offer like Houston, OKC and San Antonio or Dallas.

Raptors say yes, but this team isn't better than teams Giannis couldn't win with in a weaker conference, so I think Giannis will have a say in this.
Bucks will suck after this with no control over their draft, Barnes is a nice player, but not a franchise cornerstone, so it's a no from the Bucks.

Mavrelous wrote:Raptors say yes, but this team isn't better than teams Giannis couldn't win with in a weaker conference, so I think Giannis will have a say in this.
Bucks will suck after this with no control over their draft, Barnes is a nice player, but not a franchise cornerstone, so it's a no from the Bucks.

Bucks will have:

Lillard, RJ, Kuzma, Barnes, BroLo
KPJ, GTJ, #9, Prince, Portis

Not amazing but not a team that sucks. They'd have space to add one of the many FA PGs with the DPE.

zimpy27 wrote:

Mavrelous wrote:Raptors say yes, but this team isn't better than teams Giannis couldn't win with in a weaker conference, so I think Giannis will have a say in this.
Bucks will suck after this with no control over their draft, Barnes is a nice player, but not a franchise cornerstone, so it's a no from the Bucks.

Bucks will have:

Lillard, RJ, Kuzma, Barnes, BroLo
KPJ, GTJ, #9, Prince, Portis

Not amazing but not a team that sucks. They'd have space to add one of the many FA PGs with the DPE.

Lillard is out for the year, and who knows how/if he comes back, BroLo is 37, he's not bothering another year with these cats.
GTJ is a FA, KPJ will likely opt out also, there is no one who can score on here...

Giannis isn't asking for a trade to the Raptors.

One_and_Done wrote:Giannis isn't asking for a trade to the Raptors.

Do you know about Masai’s history with Giannis’s family?


For the merits of the OP trade: I think Giannis would be awesome, but that’s a LOT of picks, very far into the future. Raps will think twice about trading away capital into the 2030s.

Giannis is great but Toronto shouldn’t pay that price. They are a rebuilding team and Giannis will be joining a team potentially worse than his current one. If anything, he should be aiming to join the spurs, thunder, mavericks or rockets ( who have enough young players, talent and draft capital to absorb the loss of picks and players).

MessiahUjiri wrote:

One_and_Done wrote:Giannis isn't asking for a trade to the Raptors.

Do you know about Masai’s history with Giannis’s family?


For the merits of the OP trade: I think Giannis would be awesome, but that’s a LOT of picks, very far into the future. Raps will think twice about trading away capital into the 2030s.

Does that somehow make the Raptors more likely to win a championship?

other teams can beat this offer (easily)

Mavrelous wrote:

zimpy27 wrote:

Mavrelous wrote:Raptors say yes, but this team isn't better than teams Giannis couldn't win with in a weaker conference, so I think Giannis will have a say in this.
Bucks will suck after this with no control over their draft, Barnes is a nice player, but not a franchise cornerstone, so it's a no from the Bucks.

Bucks will have:

Lillard, RJ, Kuzma, Barnes, BroLo
KPJ, GTJ, #9, Prince, Portis

Not amazing but not a team that sucks. They'd have space to add one of the many FA PGs with the DPE.

Lillard is out for the year, and who knows how/if he comes back, BroLo is 37, he's not bothering another year with these cats.
GTJ is a FA, KPJ will likely opt out also, there is no one who can score on here...

Yeah that post-trade Bucks team is pretty azz. You're realistically looking at a starting lineup like:

Portis
Barnes
Kuzma
RJ
Jakucionis (#9 pick)

with basically no one of note off the bench. That's a worse supporting cast than Barnes has in Toronto right now, and that wasn't even good enough to get to the play-in.

I'd honestly be inclined to flip Barnes for more rebuilding assets and go full tank mode (Philly for PG + 3 + McCain + future firsts?). In for a penny, in for a pound.

gswhoops wrote:

MessiahUjiri wrote:

One_and_Done wrote:Giannis isn't asking for a trade to the Raptors.

Do you know about Masai’s history with Giannis’s family?


For the merits of the OP trade: I think Giannis would be awesome, but that’s a LOT of picks, very far into the future. Raps will think twice about trading away capital into the 2030s.

Does that somehow make the Raptors more likely to win a championship?

His statement (Giannis avoiding Toronto) is what I was addressing, by pointing out a very unique relationship with Toronto FO.


Now about your question: does it make Toronto make more likely to win?

Quickley / Shead
Gradey / Jakobe
Ingram / Ochai
Giannis / Mogbo
Poeltl / Boucher


That’s a second round team, most likely. Pretty talented starting lineup, but I don’t think it’s a championship team.

MessiahUjiri wrote:

gswhoops wrote:

MessiahUjiri wrote:

Do you know about Masai’s history with Giannis’s family?


For the merits of the OP trade: I think Giannis would be awesome, but that’s a LOT of picks, very far into the future. Raps will think twice about trading away capital into the 2030s.

Does that somehow make the Raptors more likely to win a championship?

His statement (Giannis avoiding Toronto) is what I was addressing, by pointing out a very unique relationship with Toronto FO.


Now about your question: does it make Toronto make more likely to win?

Quickley / Shead
Gradey / Jakobe
Ingram / Ochai
Giannis / Mogbo
Poeltl / Boucher


That’s a second round team, most likely. Pretty talented starting lineup, but I don’t think it’s a championship team.

The point I was trying (poorly, as it turns out) to make is that I think Giannis is going to prioritize going somewhere he can compete for rings over off-court connections.

gswhoops wrote:

MessiahUjiri wrote:

One_and_Done wrote:Giannis isn't asking for a trade to the Raptors.

Do you know about Masai’s history with Giannis’s family?


For the merits of the OP trade: I think Giannis would be awesome, but that’s a LOT of picks, very far into the future. Raps will think twice about trading away capital into the 2030s.

Does that somehow make the Raptors more likely to win a championship?

No. But I do think that relationships matter. I wouldn't have Toronto on my short list for sure, but I do think Masai gives them maybe an in some other teams in similar positions might not have.

Texas Chuck wrote:

gswhoops wrote:

MessiahUjiri wrote:

Do you know about Masai’s history with Giannis’s family?


For the merits of the OP trade: I think Giannis would be awesome, but that’s a LOT of picks, very far into the future. Raps will think twice about trading away capital into the 2030s.

Does that somehow make the Raptors more likely to win a championship?

No. But I do think that relationships matter. I wouldn't have Toronto on my short list for sure, but I do think Masai gives them maybe an in some other teams in similar positions might not have.

the "giannis has a close relationship with masai" story was invented by a toronto sports talk radio host and has been repeated as gospel all over the internet ever since

also a big fat no on this deal lol

JonHeist wrote:

the "giannis has a close relationship with masai" story was invented by a toronto sports talk radio host and has been repeated as gospel all over the internet ever since

also a big fat no on this deal lol

Direct quote from Giannis:

"Masai helped me and my family during the years that I've been in the league. "He's an unbelievable guy, a great GM, built a great team and after this series is over, if he wants to golf or something, we can definitely do that."

Sounds made up by a talk show host though....

Texas Chuck wrote:

JonHeist wrote:

the "giannis has a close relationship with masai" story was invented by a toronto sports talk radio host and has been repeated as gospel all over the internet ever since

also a big fat no on this deal lol

Direct quote from Giannis:

"Masai helped me and my family during the years that I've been in the league. "He's an unbelievable guy, a great GM, built a great team and after this series is over, if he wants to golf or something, we can definitely do that."

Sounds made up by a talk show host though....

he's just talking about the visa thing, which is true

they do not have any actual personal relationship

JonHeist wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:

JonHeist wrote:

the "giannis has a close relationship with masai" story was invented by a toronto sports talk radio host and has been repeated as gospel all over the internet ever since

also a big fat no on this deal lol

Direct quote from Giannis:

"Masai helped me and my family during the years that I've been in the league. "He's an unbelievable guy, a great GM, built a great team and after this series is over, if he wants to golf or something, we can definitely do that."

Sounds made up by a talk show host though....

he's just talking about the visa thing, which is true

they do not have any actual personal relationship

I mean I just looked at the first google result, but that quote doesn't say anything about just a visa. But even if its only that despite what Giannis actually says, I'd say it can't hurt Toronto.

Texas Chuck wrote:

Spoiler:

JonHeist wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:

Direct quote from Giannis:

"Masai helped me and my family during the years that I've been in the league. "He's an unbelievable guy, a great GM, built a great team and after this series is over, if he wants to golf or something, we can definitely do that."

Sounds made up by a talk show host though....

he's just talking about the visa thing, which is true

they do not have any actual personal relationship

I mean I just looked at the first google result, but that quote doesn't say anything about just a visa. But even if its only that despite what Giannis actually says, I'd say it can't hurt Toronto.

well yea it's not a negative

but there's only one GM giannis is friends with and it ain't masai

JonHeist wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:

gswhoops wrote:Does that somehow make the Raptors more likely to win a championship?

No. But I do think that relationships matter. I wouldn't have Toronto on my short list for sure, but I do think Masai gives them maybe an in some other teams in similar positions might not have.

the "giannis has a close relationship with masai" story was invented by a toronto sports talk radio host and has been repeated as gospel all over the internet ever since

also a big fat no on this deal lol

Masai helped Giannis’s family migrate from Nigeria to Greece.

This wasn’t “invented” by a sports radio host, although it was reported in the Toronto Star, which is a major paper.
https://www.thestar.com/sports/raptors/greek-star-antetokoumpo-s-reach-extends-to-toronto/article_6f3e2496-6e05-5134-9496-865c7988e7c2.html



Are you randomly calling this an “invented” story without proof?

There’s literally video of Masai talking about being close to Giannis family.