Giannis to Spurs & KD to TWolves

[jredsaz]

Spurs receive Giannis Antetokounmpo (+8.7M)
Spurs get a top 2/3 player in the NBA to win rings with Wemby and Fox. Roster is thin at only 7 players but they have $40M in apron space to fill out the roster. Hard capped team.

Top 8: Fox, Vassell, Champagne, Giannis, Wemby, Johnson, #32, MLE

Wolves receive Kevin Durant, #29 via PHX(-3M)
Wolves reshape their roster with Ant’s guy Durant and keep McDaniels. I expect Randle and Naz to decline their POs and if so the Wolves get a ton of space/flexibility (enough to resign NAW and Naz). Over the cap team.

Top 8: Dillingham, Ant, Jaden, KD, Garza, Shannon, Clark, Minott

Bucks receive Harrison Barnes, Mike Conley, Stephon Castle, Malaki Branham, Blake Wesley, #2 via SAS, #14 via SAS, 2027 ATL 1st via SAS, 2029 SAS 1st (-5.1M)
Bucks but the bullet. Castle, Harper, #14 give them the opportunity to rebuild a young core immediately. They recoup future firsts and can flip Conley and Barnes for more assets. I expect Portis to decline his PO. Over the cap team.

Top 8: Conley, Castle, Harper, Kuz, Barnes, Pat, Porter, Smith

Suns receive Rudy Gobert, Donte DiVincenzo, Jeramy Sochan, #17 via MIN, #31 via MIN, 2026 MIN 2nd, 2029 MIN 2nd (-622K)
Suns retool around Booker with defense. Gobert is a great floor riser. Sochan and Dunn could be an incredible defensive pairing. Donte can replace Beal or be flipped for other assets. They move up in draft and gain some draft capital. Second apron team.

Top 8: Booker, Beal, Dunn, Sochan, Gobert, Donte, Allen, ONeale

[JayMKE]

Bucks need more than Castle, 2, and middling picks. Not interested in Harper thus not interested in Spurs package.

[eric365]

Giannis is great and probably worth a ton

But no way the spurs give up #2, Castle, #14, Barnes, Sochan, the 2027 atlanta pick and another futur pick

The spurs will make a deal only if it’s reasonnable like with Fox and SAC

[wemby]

Thsi feels like 2 separate trades
Giannis to Spurs
KD to TWolves
with the only connecting piece being Conley and Sochan, which seems forced.

Both of these feel like overpays IMO. Spurs aren't giving up #2 (Harper), Stephon Castle, #14, Hawks 27, Spurs 29 (with Mavs swap rights) and Sochan for Giannis. I say this in the nicest possible way, but if JayMKE feels like this is underwhelming, I fear the moment he learns about the actual return in a Giannis trade.

[One_and_Done]

Spurs receive Giannis Antetokounmpo (+8.7M)
Spurs get a top 2/3 player in the NBA to win rings with Wemby and Fox. Roster is thin at only 7 players but they have $40M in apron space to fill out the roster. Hard capped team.

Top 8: Fox, Vassell, Champagne, Giannis, Wemby, Johnson, #32, MLE

Wolves receive Kevin Durant, #29 via PHX(-3M)
Wolves reshape their roster with Ant’s guy Durant and keep McDaniels. I expect Randle and Naz to decline their POs and if so the Wolves get a ton of space/flexibility (enough to resign NAW and Naz). Over the cap team.

Top 8: Dillingham, Ant, Jaden, KD, Garza, Shannon, Clark, Minott

Bucks receive Harrison Barnes, Mike Conley, Stephon Castle, Malaki Branham, Blake Wesley, #2 via SAS, #14 via SAS, 2027 ATL 1st via SAS, 2029 SAS 1st (-5.1M)
Bucks but the bullet. Castle, Harper, #14 give them the opportunity to rebuild a young core immediately. They recoup future firsts and can flip Conley and Barnes for more assets. I expect Portis to decline his PO. Over the cap team.

Top 8: Conley, Castle, Harper, Kuz, Barnes, Pat, Porter, Smith

Suns receive Rudy Gobert, Donte DiVincenzo, Jeramy Sochan, #17 via MIN, #31 via MIN, 2026 MIN 2nd, 2029 MIN 2nd (-622K)
Suns retool around Booker with defense. Gobert is a great floor riser. Sochan and Dunn could be an incredible defensive pairing. Donte can replace Beal or be flipped for other assets. They move up in draft and gain some draft capital. Second apron team.

Top 8: Booker, Beal, Dunn, Sochan, Gobert, Donte, Allen, ONeale

Spurs are not going to trade that much for a 30 yr old Giannis. They'll keep the #2 pick for starters. You also have the Spurs helping throw value in to facilitate the KD trade for no logical reason.

[jredsaz]

Spurs receive Giannis Antetokounmpo (+8.7M)
Spurs get a top 2/3 player in the NBA to win rings with Wemby and Fox. Roster is thin at only 7 players but they have $40M in apron space to fill out the roster. Hard capped team.

Top 8: Fox, Vassell, Champagne, Giannis, Wemby, Johnson, #32, MLE

Wolves receive Kevin Durant, #29 via PHX(-3M)
Wolves reshape their roster with Ant’s guy Durant and keep McDaniels. I expect Randle and Naz to decline their POs and if so the Wolves get a ton of space/flexibility (enough to resign NAW and Naz). Over the cap team.

Top 8: Dillingham, Ant, Jaden, KD, Garza, Shannon, Clark, Minott

Bucks receive Harrison Barnes, Mike Conley, Stephon Castle, Malaki Branham, Blake Wesley, #2 via SAS, #14 via SAS, 2027 ATL 1st via SAS, 2029 SAS 1st (-5.1M)
Bucks but the bullet. Castle, Harper, #14 give them the opportunity to rebuild a young core immediately. They recoup future firsts and can flip Conley and Barnes for more assets. I expect Portis to decline his PO. Over the cap team.

Top 8: Conley, Castle, Harper, Kuz, Barnes, Pat, Porter, Smith

Suns receive Rudy Gobert, Donte DiVincenzo, Jeramy Sochan, #17 via MIN, #31 via MIN, 2026 MIN 2nd, 2029 MIN 2nd (-622K)
Suns retool around Booker with defense. Gobert is a great floor riser. Sochan and Dunn could be an incredible defensive pairing. Donte can replace Beal or be flipped for other assets. They move up in draft and gain some draft capital. Second apron team.

Top 8: Booker, Beal, Dunn, Sochan, Gobert, Donte, Allen, ONeale

Spurs are not going to trade that much for a 30 yr old Giannis. They'll keep the #2 pick for starters. You also have the Spurs helping throw value in to facilitate the KD trade for no logical reason.

Logically it helped the money work Giannis is the second best player in the NBA. I have no idea how the Spurs get him without #2, Castle and at least three other picks. But there is an excellent argument that the Spurs shouldn’t make this kind of move this early in Wemby development.

[jredsaz]

Thsi feels like 2 separate trades
Giannis to Spurs
KD to TWolves
with the only connecting piece being Conley and Sochan, which seems forced.

Both of these feel like overpays IMO. Spurs aren't giving up #2 (Harper), Stephon Castle, #14, Hawks 27, Spurs 29 (with Mavs swap rights) and Sochan for Giannis. I say this in the nicest possible way, but if JayMKE feels like this is underwhelming, I fear the moment he learns about the actual return in a Giannis trade.

The Conley/Sochan piece made the money work for the Suns. Honestly, I expect huge trades this offseason involving tons or teams in order to help facilitate the apron rules.

I disagree that it’s an overpay. Giannis is 100% worth this value. I can agree that the Spurs might not want to spend this much at this point in Wemby career.

[jredsaz]

Giannis is great and probably worth a ton

But no way the spurs give up #2, Castle, #14, Barnes, Sochan, the 2027 atlanta pick and another futur pick

The spurs will make a deal only if it’s reasonnable like with Fox and SAC

Yeah, this isn’t a Fox deal. It’s for Giannis. If the Spurs want him they’ll have to pay.

[Myth]

Giannis is great and probably worth a ton

But no way the spurs give up #2, Castle, #14, Barnes, Sochan, the 2027 atlanta pick and another futur pick

The spurs will make a deal only if it’s reasonnable like with Fox and SAC

Yeah, this isn’t a Fox deal. It’s for Giannis. If the Spurs want him they’ll have to pay.

I think the Spurs hold onto one of Castle/Harper in any offer they make, and I can’t see many teams that are willing to beat it. ROY plus a pick haul OR a strong #2 plus a pick haul are both strong offers, plus some reasonable fillers.

[wemby]

The Conley/Sochan piece made the money work for the Suns. Honestly, I expect huge trades this offseason involving tons or teams in order to help facilitate the apron rules.

Why would the Spurs give up value in Sochan for the money to work for the Suns, when they don't benefit at all from their inclusion (rather the opposite is true)? Because you are a Suns fan and want to move KD? The link between the two trades is completely artificial and your explanation further reffirms this, this is two separate trades with more moving parts than necessary.

I disagree that it’s an overpay. Giannis is 100% worth this value. I can agree that the Spurs might not want to spend this much at this point in Wemby career.

Yeah, easy to say so when it isn't the Suns giving up all of that.

[One_and_Done]

Spurs receive Giannis Antetokounmpo (+8.7M)
Spurs get a top 2/3 player in the NBA to win rings with Wemby and Fox. Roster is thin at only 7 players but they have $40M in apron space to fill out the roster. Hard capped team.

Top 8: Fox, Vassell, Champagne, Giannis, Wemby, Johnson, #32, MLE

Wolves receive Kevin Durant, #29 via PHX(-3M)
Wolves reshape their roster with Ant’s guy Durant and keep McDaniels. I expect Randle and Naz to decline their POs and if so the Wolves get a ton of space/flexibility (enough to resign NAW and Naz). Over the cap team.

Top 8: Dillingham, Ant, Jaden, KD, Garza, Shannon, Clark, Minott

Bucks receive Harrison Barnes, Mike Conley, Stephon Castle, Malaki Branham, Blake Wesley, #2 via SAS, #14 via SAS, 2027 ATL 1st via SAS, 2029 SAS 1st (-5.1M)
Bucks but the bullet. Castle, Harper, #14 give them the opportunity to rebuild a young core immediately. They recoup future firsts and can flip Conley and Barnes for more assets. I expect Portis to decline his PO. Over the cap team.

Top 8: Conley, Castle, Harper, Kuz, Barnes, Pat, Porter, Smith

Suns receive Rudy Gobert, Donte DiVincenzo, Jeramy Sochan, #17 via MIN, #31 via MIN, 2026 MIN 2nd, 2029 MIN 2nd (-622K)
Suns retool around Booker with defense. Gobert is a great floor riser. Sochan and Dunn could be an incredible defensive pairing. Donte can replace Beal or be flipped for other assets. They move up in draft and gain some draft capital. Second apron team.

Top 8: Booker, Beal, Dunn, Sochan, Gobert, Donte, Allen, ONeale

Spurs are not going to trade that much for a 30 yr old Giannis. They'll keep the #2 pick for starters. You also have the Spurs helping throw value in to facilitate the KD trade for no logical reason.

Logically it helped the money work Giannis is the second best player in the NBA. I have no idea how the Spurs get him without #2, Castle and at least three other picks. But there is an excellent argument that the Spurs shouldn’t make this kind of move this early in Wemby development.

Before the Spurs got the #2 pick they were one of the top Giannis landing spots for pundits and gambling sites. How could that be if they needed the #2 pick to get it done? In reality the Spurs have plenty of draft capital to get a 30 yr old Giannis if he demands a trade without including the #2 (which would be dumb).

Imagine you were the Grizzlies in 19 or the Thunder in 07. Why would those very young teams who were not yet ready to win trade a young Morant or KD for a 30 yr old star? It makes no logical sense.

Of the stuff that might actually get traded, I think Castle and a bunch of picks beats most offers from teams Giannis is actually likely to agree to go to. But if it's not the Spurs are a smart organisation, they're not going to overpay. We've seen that time and again.

[One_and_Done]

Giannis is great and probably worth a ton

But no way the spurs give up #2, Castle, #14, Barnes, Sochan, the 2027 atlanta pick and another futur pick

The spurs will make a deal only if it’s reasonnable like with Fox and SAC

Yeah, this isn’t a Fox deal. It’s for Giannis. If the Spurs want him they’ll have to pay.

I think the Spurs hold onto one of Castle/Harper in any offer they make, and I can’t see many teams that are willing to beat it. ROY plus a pick haul OR a strong #2 plus a pick haul are both strong offers, plus some reasonable fillers.

He says 'this isn't a Fox deal' like a) most trade board posters weren't grossly offbase on what the Spurs would give up for Fox, and b) the deals being offered for Giannis (e.g. Castle and 5-7 picks that don't include #2) somehow resemble the Fox package.

I was on here saying the same sorts of things for the Fox trade too, and I was 100% right.

[Chinook]

How many threads does this make where third-party fans propose a Giannis-to-SA trade that neither Spurs fans nor Bucks fans want? Yet we're in here spending our finite time on this planet arguing over which side shouldn't want it the most.

It feels like Trae Young all over again where folks are trying to will the Spurs to be interested because they assume they "ought to be". To be clear, the Spurs haven't given an indication they're interested in KD either, and fans can speculate on what they want. It just feels weird that the Spurs are easily the most projected team in these trades despite no Spurs fans every making the threads and plenty of other teams that would seem to be better fits for multiple factors.

[jredsaz]

Giannis is great and probably worth a ton

But no way the spurs give up #2, Castle, #14, Barnes, Sochan, the 2027 atlanta pick and another futur pick

The spurs will make a deal only if it’s reasonnable like with Fox and SAC

Yeah, this isn’t a Fox deal. It’s for Giannis. If the Spurs want him they’ll have to pay.

I think the Spurs hold onto one of Castle/Harper in any offer they make, and I can’t see many teams that are willing to beat it. ROY plus a pick haul OR a strong #2 plus a pick haul are both strong offers, plus some reasonable fillers.

This is Giannis. Castle ain’t holding up this deal imo. #2 or Harper is worth significantly more than Castle. #2, Castle and two more firsts is wildly reasonable in exchange for a top 2 or 3 player. Even at 30.

[jredsaz]

The Conley/Sochan piece made the money work for the Suns. Honestly, I expect huge trades this offseason involving tons or teams in order to help facilitate the apron rules.

Why would the Spurs give up value in Sochan for the money to work for the Suns, when they don't benefit at all from their inclusion (rather the opposite is true)? Because you are a Suns fan and want to move KD? The link between the two trades is completely artificial and your explanation further reffirms this, this is two separate trades with more moving parts than necessary.

I disagree that it’s an overpay. Giannis is 100% worth this value. I can agree that the Spurs might not want to spend this much at this point in Wemby career.

Yeah, easy to say so when it isn't the Suns giving up all of that.

It does make the money work for the Suns and Wolves. Sochan could get sent to the Bucks instead and separate the deals. Suns/Wolves could find a different third and maybe fourth team. Okay, fine. It’s not like Sochan has a ton of value.

If I were the Spurs I wouldn’t trade for Giannis. It will cost more than I’d want to give up. That doesn’t make it an over pay. Giannis is worth that value. Get over Caslte Its Gianni’s.

[jredsaz]

Yeah, this isn’t a Fox deal. It’s for Giannis. If the Spurs want him they’ll have to pay.

I think the Spurs hold onto one of Castle/Harper in any offer they make, and I can’t see many teams that are willing to beat it. ROY plus a pick haul OR a strong #2 plus a pick haul are both strong offers, plus some reasonable fillers.

He says 'this isn't a Fox deal' like a) most trade board posters weren't grossly offbase on what the Spurs would give up for Fox, and b) the deals being offered for Giannis (e.g. Castle and 5-7 picks that don't include #2) somehow resemble the Fox package.

I was on here saying the same sorts of things for the Fox trade too, and I was 100% right.

Yes. I’m sure you are always right when it comes to the Spurs roster moves Come on man.

The Fox trade was lower than I thought and most people thought but I’d blame the Kings for that. They probably overvalued Lavine.

The OP includes Castle and four picks. That’s a lot more than the Fox trade as it should be, Fox isn’t Giannis. Not sure the point you’re trying to make there.

[jredsaz]

Spurs are not going to trade that much for a 30 yr old Giannis. They'll keep the #2 pick for starters. You also have the Spurs helping throw value in to facilitate the KD trade for no logical reason.

Logically it helped the money work Giannis is the second best player in the NBA. I have no idea how the Spurs get him without #2, Castle and at least three other picks. But there is an excellent argument that the Spurs shouldn’t make this kind of move this early in Wemby development.

Before the Spurs got the #2 pick they were one of the top Giannis landing spots for pundits and gambling sites. How could that be if they needed the #2 pick to get it done? In reality the Spurs have plenty of draft capital to get a 30 yr old Giannis if he demands a trade without including the #2 (which would be dumb).

Imagine you were the Grizzlies in 19 or the Thunder in 07. Why would those very young teams who were not yet ready to win trade a young Morant or KD for a 30 yr old star? It makes no logical sense.

Of the stuff that might actually get traded, I think Castle and a bunch of picks beats most offers from teams Giannis is actually likely to agree to go to. But if it's not the Spurs are a smart organisation, they're not going to overpay. We've seen that time and again.

I’ve read this argument before and it’s absolutely awful. Like you said Spurs would have to make up the value difference between #2 and a hypothetical #7 pick pick anyway. Bucks would have demanded #7 and more.

It’s not an over pay if the player is worth the return. Spurs fans just don’t want to pay it and as a Suns fan I get that.

[One_and_Done]

I think the Spurs hold onto one of Castle/Harper in any offer they make, and I can’t see many teams that are willing to beat it. ROY plus a pick haul OR a strong #2 plus a pick haul are both strong offers, plus some reasonable fillers.

He says 'this isn't a Fox deal' like a) most trade board posters weren't grossly offbase on what the Spurs would give up for Fox, and b) the deals being offered for Giannis (e.g. Castle and 5-7 picks that don't include #2) somehow resemble the Fox package.

I was on here saying the same sorts of things for the Fox trade too, and I was 100% right.

Yes. I’m sure you are always right when it comes to the Spurs roster moves Come on man.

The Fox trade was lower than I thought and most people thought but I’d blame the Kings for that. They probably overvalued Lavine.

The OP includes Castle and four picks. That’s a lot more than the Fox trade as it should be, Fox isn’t Giannis. Not sure the point you’re trying to make there.

The Fox trade was exactly what I thought it would be, and I can link you to posts to that effect.

My point is that nobody is offering a Fox style package here, much more is being offered. The offer just isn't going to include #2. Sorry bro.

[jredsaz]

He says 'this isn't a Fox deal' like a) most trade board posters weren't grossly offbase on what the Spurs would give up for Fox, and b) the deals being offered for Giannis (e.g. Castle and 5-7 picks that don't include #2) somehow resemble the Fox package.

I was on here saying the same sorts of things for the Fox trade too, and I was 100% right.

Yes. I’m sure you are always right when it comes to the Spurs roster moves Come on man.

The Fox trade was lower than I thought and most people thought but I’d blame the Kings for that. They probably overvalued Lavine.

The OP includes Castle and four picks. That’s a lot more than the Fox trade as it should be, Fox isn’t Giannis. Not sure the point you’re trying to make there.

The Fox trade was exactly what I thought it would be, and I can link you to posts to that effect.

My point is that nobody is offering a Fox style package here, much more is being offered. The offer just isn't going to include #2. Sorry bro.

The last trade I basically nailed was the Deni trade. I made a plaque and hung it next to my college diplomas. Very proud moment for me.

I meant that the Spurs wouldn’t get the same discount on Giannis that they got in that Fox deal. Giannis is in a different stratosphere.

And if #2 isn’t in the table they don’t really want Giannis. There will be better deals. Could be better deals than #2, Castle, and multiple picks what all is said and done.

[zimpy27]

How many threads does this make where third-party fans propose a Giannis-to-SA trade that neither Spurs fans nor Bucks fans want? Yet we're in here spending our finite time on this planet arguing over which side shouldn't want it the most.

It feels like Trae Young all over again where folks are trying to will the Spurs to be interested because they assume they "ought to be". To be clear, the Spurs haven't given an indication they're interested in KD either, and fans can speculate on what they want. It just feels weird that the Spurs are easily the most projected team in these trades despite no Spurs fans every making the threads and plenty of other teams that would seem to be better fits for multiple factors.

Could you give us a list of all the players the Spurs are interested in trading for then?