Jazz and Lakers

[shagadelic45]

UTAH TRADES: Kessler

LAL TRADES: Knecht, protection removed from 2027 #1



jazz take a chance on getting a better pick......Lakers get a much needed center upgrade

[R-DAWG]

I think this takes another swap or 2

Maybe unprotected swap rights in 26/28 across all of utahs picks

[dms269]

I would think with so many teams needing a big, defensive center, that the Jazz could get much better offers than Knecht and the protections removed on a pick that was more than likely going to convey anyway. It probably is Knecht and the 31/32 1st, and even then I am, not sure it is enough (based on what Ainge wanted at the deadline).

[Astaluego]

The protection is already very light. I think the LAKERS have to add the FRP31 and a future Swap (in addition to unprotecting the 27)

[wemby]

Yeah, this is a bad offer for Kessler: that protection removal is likely inconsequential, and Knecht is older than Kessler and yet to prove anything. Plenty of teams will blow this offer out of the water.

[DowJones]

This is really bad for Utah. I don't see a reason for the Jazz to trade Kessler unless the Lakers come with a massive overpay.

[dcstanley]

This would have gotten done at the deadline if that's all it took. I'm sure Rob offered the Mark Williams package to Utah before engaging with Charlotte.

[Catchall]

Jazz have already rejected stronger offers from the Lakers for Kessler.

[Karmaloop]

I would think with so many teams needing a big, defensive center, that the Jazz could get much better offers than Knecht and the protections removed on a pick that was more than likely going to convey anyway. It probably is Knecht and the 31/32 1st, and even then I am, not sure it is enough (based on what Ainge wanted at the deadline).

Except one-way centers on expiring contracts aren't overly valuable. Kessler is good at what he is good at which is defending and rebounding, but he's limited offensively by what his teammates give him and he doesn't create offense for others. Add on the fact that this is the last year of his rookie contract, and I don't think this big offer is coming anytime soon. Knecht plus a FRP (with some protection) is probably the best the Lakers are going to offer.

[babyjax13]

No. No interest in Knecht, removing very light protections isn't enough.

[babyjax13]

I would think with so many teams needing a big, defensive center, that the Jazz could get much better offers than Knecht and the protections removed on a pick that was more than likely going to convey anyway. It probably is Knecht and the 31/32 1st, and even then I am, not sure it is enough (based on what Ainge wanted at the deadline).

Except one-way centers on expiring contracts aren't overly valuable. Kessler is good at what he is good at which is defending and rebounding, but he's limited offensively by what his teammates give him and he doesn't create offense for others. Add on the fact that this is the last year of his rookie contract, and I don't think this big offer is coming anytime soon. Knecht plus a FRP (with some protection) is probably the best the Lakers are going to offer.

That's fine. Kessler is young and good, he can be part of our rebuild.

[Karmaloop]

That's fine. Kessler is young and good, he can be part of our rebuild.

And if I were Ainge, that's probably the mentality I'd take. Unless a team throws a strong offer my way, I'm not inclined to move him. But when he gets paid closer to market rate for his services, his value as a cheap, young center drops back to neutral value. Just ask that about Clint Capela, Nic Claxton, etc.

[babyjax13]

That's fine. Kessler is young and good, he can be part of our rebuild.

And if I were Ainge, that's probably the mentality I'd take. Unless a team throws a strong offer my way, I'm not inclined to move him. But when he gets paid closer to market rate for his services, his value as a cheap, young center drops back to neutral value. Just ask that about Clint Capela, Nic Claxton, etc.

Issue is, this is probably market rate for those higher paid, younger centers. Just ignoring that we already have a similar player to Knecht in Sensabaugh, if LAL made an offer to Claxton this would be the backbone of that deal. So shouldnt Utah get more here considering that Kessler is younger, cheaper, and as good if not better?

[Karmaloop]

Issue is, this is probably market rate for those higher paid, younger centers. Just ignoring that we already have a similar player to Knecht in Sensabaugh, if LAL made an offer to Claxton this would be the backbone of that deal. So shouldnt Utah get more here considering that Kessler is younger, cheaper, and as good if not better?

I mean, the backbone of the deal is workable. It might not be Knecht going to Utah, but there's certainly a variation of Knecht to Team X, Prospect from Team X to Utah, and Kessler to the Lakers. As for a Claxton offer, I think he's worth roughly a very late FRP plus expiring contracts or a mid FRP plus some "bad" contracts. And when I say bad, I'm not talking about Bradley Beal-level of bad contract. Talk about someone like Vanderbilt (although, I'd venture a guess the Lakers don't view him as a bad contract). So either Vanderbilt, Knecht, and Vincent/Kleber for Claxton OR Kleber, Vincent, and Knehct for Claxton plus something. The problem for me is that "plus something". #26 and/or #27 probably makes that deal balanced, but I'm not sure the Lakers want those guaranteed rookie contracts on the books so those pick(s) would likely need pedaled to a 3rd team that sends either a more win-now ready player albeit not a big time role player or future picks to restock the cabinet. Just kinda spitballing here, but could New York or Denver be interested in those picks to potentially add some cheap role players to their core in favor of a future pick?

[Daddy 801]

Kessler is not going to LA for less than two unprotected FRP’s. It doesn’t matter if LA fans think that’s too much. That is what is reported Ainge wants and if I was Ainge wouldn’t accept anything less either.

[JB2]

If Utah wanted to trade Kessler for that package, it would have happened by now.

I don't think he's worth 2 completely unprotected picks + DK, but I do think OP is lacking the 31 1st (unprotected)-- and maybe a swap to make up for using Ainge in the trade for Luka without him knowing.

The price might feel kind of high but getting a young & elite defensive center while not touching any of your depth is a huge win. If Lakers were willing to that package up for Williams, they should for Kessler. But also understand and buy the argument that those picks could be put to better use.

[Astaluego]

I've already posted this trade and I still like it (based on the stat-backed premise) that the Luka/Reaves pairing isn't a good (defensive) fit.

Kessler/Sexton LAKERS

Knecht/Reaves MAGIC

Black/Goga+16+unprotected FRP27 (lakers)+Swap 2030(Lakers) JAZZ

[Apz]

I've already posted this trade and I still like it (based on the stat-backed premise) that the Luka/Reaves pairing isn't a good (defensive) fit.

Kessler/Sexton LAKERS

Knecht/Reaves MAGIC

Black/Goga+16+unprotected FRP27 (lakers)+Swap 2030(Lakers) JAZZ

But u are one of few that i know off that consider sexton a good defensive 2

[Astaluego]

I've already posted this trade and I still like it (based on the stat-backed premise) that the Luka/Reaves pairing isn't a good (defensive) fit.

Kessler/Sexton LAKERS

Knecht/Reaves MAGIC

Black/Goga+16+unprotected FRP27 (lakers)+Swap 2030(Lakers) JAZZ

But u are one of few that i know off that consider sexton a good defensive 2

Sexton's role would be as an elite 6-man, and I think he is a good defender (although limited by his size), he is fast, athletic, and plays with intensity.