KD to Miami

[NYG]

Kevin Durant for Haywood Highsmith, Duncan Robinson, Andrew Wiggins, 20th Overall Pick and 2030 Lottery Protected Miami Heat First Round Draft Pick (Unprotected 2031)

I'm using the baseline of the Butler deal under similar circumstances - aging and looking for an extension, but added an extra pick since KD is better than Butler...

Heat get a major on the court upgrade without losing any of their young players or core pieces.

Suns get some useful filler and two picks to use in follow up deals as they continue to retool around Booker.

[BBallFreak]

I'm not the guy to ask as I don't want him. Absolutely no interest in a 37 year old Durant.

[Texas Chuck]

Yeah this plus the Jrue deal(maybe have to change it slightly with apron issues) make a lot of sense for who Freak tells us Miami is. They have a starting 5 and a couple of bench players they like left. Sign the right vet min guys and Miami would absolutely believe they could get out of the East as it sits right now.

Much like Mavs fans who want to trade AD and pivot to a future timeline, we can want it and we can discuss it, but its probably not going to be the direction. I expect Miami to try and bring in the best veterans they can.

[Astaluego]

I think it would be Ware/Wiggins/Duncan for KD/Richards... then Miami could convert Rozier/Jazquez to Jrue... they would have a pretty strong rotation, keep picks and prospects for the future... ... sign a shooter like THJ and FRP 20 ...

Adebayo/Richards
KD/Jovic
Highsmith/Kyle
Herro/THJ
Jrue/Davion
+Dru/20/Larsson...

The Suns would have to trade one of Allen/Duncan (both expiring) for a 3D guard (Smart?)

[pipfan]

Get my Bulls involved?
Miami sends Rozier to Chi along with the #20 pick, and Duncan Robinson, JJJ and the 2030 unprotected 1st to Suns
Miami gets KD

Bulls send Vuc and Ayo to Suns, along with the #45 pick
Bulls get Rozier and #20

Suns send KD to Miami
Suns get Ayo, DRobinson, Vuc, JJJ and 2030 unprotected 1st

Suns add 4 rotation pieces and a nice future pick. Vuc eats a ton of minutes, and Ayo could start next to Booker (let Beal still be 6th man). JJJ and Robinson help the Suns bench

Miami keeps Wiggins at rolls with a big lineup of
Herro
Wiggins
KD
Bam
Ware
Bench of Highsmith, Love, Mitchell, Anderson, Jovic
If that team is healthy they could easily win the East next year

Bulls move on from Vuc and add a pick. Ayo is good, but expendable
White/Rozier/JCarter
Ball/Huerter/Terry
Giddey/Phillips
Matas/PWill
Collins/JSmith
Plus #12 and #20 (let's say Newell and Beringer/WRiley)

[BBallFreak]

I think it would be Ware/Wiggins/Duncan for KD/Richards... then Miami could convert Rozier/Jazquez to Jrue... they would have a pretty strong rotation, keep picks and prospects for the future... ... sign a shooter like THJ and FRP 20 ...

Adebayo/Richards
KD/Jovic
Highsmith/Kyle
Herro/THJ
Jrue/Davion
+Dru/20/Larsson...

The Suns would have to trade one of Allen/Duncan (both expiring) for a 3D guard (Smart?)

We'd have a one year window, maybe two, and we're not coming out of the East imo.

As for Chuck, he's right, of course. I'm not claiming to know what Miami is going to do. I'm just saying I wouldn't do this. I don't understand the infatuation with KD. He's not that guy anymore. And I certainly wouldn't give up Ware in such a scenario. It's just too limited...

[wemby]

Durant is a risky proposition for all the reasons we already know (age, injury history, personality, contract) but the Heat is one of the teams I could see making a push, because of their stubbornness (like the Bulls and Kings, they'd be better off acknowledging where they stand and acting accordingly).

In that case, something like this could work, where the Suns get a bunch of useful vets and some draft capital, but nothing premium (no stars, no blue chip prospects, no premium draft capital). Problem here is KD needs an extension, and we all know how Pat Riley feels about extending players in their mid to late thirties, so that is likely where this crumbles.

[Slim Charless]

Yeah this plus the Jrue deal(maybe have to change it slightly with apron issues) make a lot of sense for who Freak tells us Miami is. They have a starting 5 and a couple of bench players they like left. Sign the right vet min guys and Miami would absolutely believe they could get out of the East as it sits right now.

Much like Mavs fans who want to trade AD and pivot to a future timeline, we can want it and we can discuss it, but its probably not going to be the direction. I expect Miami to try and bring in the best veterans they can.

Would you do Booker for AD straight up?

[Astaluego]

Yeah this plus the Jrue deal(maybe have to change it slightly with apron issues) make a lot of sense for who Freak tells us Miami is. They have a starting 5 and a couple of bench players they like left. Sign the right vet min guys and Miami would absolutely believe they could get out of the East as it sits right now.

Much like Mavs fans who want to trade AD and pivot to a future timeline, we can want it and we can discuss it, but its probably not going to be the direction. I expect Miami to try and bring in the best veterans they can.

Would you do Booker for AD straight up?

I do...do the 76ers participate?
Booker 76ers..
AD SUNS
Maxey/Oubre/Drummond+FRP MAVS..

[HadAnEffectHere]

The Heat would have to give up Ware as well at least.

[BBallFreak]

The Heat would have to give up Ware as well at least.

Nope. Not happening. Phoenix has to trade Durant. Miami wasn't willing to go all in at the trade deadline this past year. Certainly not doing it now that he's older and only had a year left on his deal.

[Flash4thewin]

The Heat would have to give up Ware as well at least.

Nope. Not happening. Phoenix has to trade Durant. Miami wasn't willing to go all in at the trade deadline this past year. Certainly not doing it now that he's older and only had a year left on his deal.

The Suns don’t need to trade KD, they can just let him expire. The one to two years window lines up with how long Pat will actively stay since he is in his 80s. I don’t like it and would also prefer a different direction but stubborn old dogs don’t change. Injuries happen and who knows maybe we luck our way to the finals. The one thing we can’t do is a repeat of last season, paying fans will revolt.

[jredsaz]

Kevin Durant for Haywood Highsmith, Duncan Robinson, Andrew Wiggins, 20th Overall Pick and 2030 Lottery Protected Miami Heat First Round Draft Pick (Unprotected 2031)

I'm using the baseline of the Butler deal under similar circumstances - aging and looking for an extension, but added an extra pick since KD is better than Butler...

Heat get a major on the court upgrade without losing any of their young players or core pieces.

Suns get some useful filler and two picks to use in follow up deals as they continue to retool around Booker.

The feedback I’ve got from Heat fans is a) they will be tax conscious so keeping Duncan Robinsons partially guaranteed contract is important and b) Ware can’t be involved.

I like your package fine for the Suns. I’d prefer Jovic be included instead of Highsmith but this checks the boxes. Useful vets that fit with Booker, move up in 2025 draft and future draft capital are all priorities for the Suns.

[Ghost of Kleine]

The Heat would have to give up Ware as well at least.

Nope. Not happening. Phoenix has to trade Durant. Miami wasn't willing to go all in at the trade deadline this past year. Certainly not doing it now that he's older and only had a year left on his deal.

First off, Phoenix DOES NOT HAVE TO GIVE UP DURANT. worst case scenario, they can simply extend him and look to trade him again at the deadline OR possibly just let him play out his contract and gain upwards of 70 million for 26' free agency!

So regardless of opinions, Phoenix will have options even if those options aren't completely optimal.

Second that package is garbage and it wouldn't get KD. So if Miami is unwilling to offer solid value for KD, then they can just look elsewhere. No harm no foul!
Third, Miami won't be the only team bidding for Durant this summer.

Especially if Horst demands a treasure grove for Giannis that most teams just can't afford. KD will be a solid plan B for many teams that have obviously as we all have witnessed suffering stretches in which they struggled to score!

But there will be multiple teams needing or desiring his services (even if a rental) scenario. And Miami removing themselves from being a possibility will have little consequences on their overall outcome/ plans.

[BBallFreak]

The Heat would have to give up Ware as well at least.

Nope. Not happening. Phoenix has to trade Durant. Miami wasn't willing to go all in at the trade deadline this past year. Certainly not doing it now that he's older and only had a year left on his deal.

First off, Phoenix DOES NOT HAVE TO GIVE UP DURANT. worst case scenario, they can simply extend him and look to trade him again at the deadline OR possibly just let him play out his contract and gain upwards of 70 million for 26' free agency!

So regardless of opinions, Phoenix will have options even if those options aren't completely optimal.

Second that package is garbage and it wouldn't get KD. So if Miami is unwilling to offer solid value for KD, then they can just look elsewhere. No harm no foul!
Third, Miami won't be the only team bidding for Durant this summer.

Especially if Horst demands a treasure grove for Giannis that most teams just can't afford. KD will be a solid plan B for many teams that have obviously as we all have witnessed suffering stretches in which they struggled to score!

But there will be multiple teams needing or desiring his services (even if a rental) scenario. And Miami removing themselves from being a possibility will have little consequences on their overall outcome/ plans.

I wouldn't offer anything you want for him. Sorry, that's just how I feel. He's 37, injury prone, and he's ruined every team he's been on since he left golden state. You're welcome to keep him or trade him elsewhere. Really doesn't make a difference to me. Just please, keep him away from us. I hope you get the bag for him, truly, but I don't want us to give it to you.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Nope. Not happening. Phoenix has to trade Durant. Miami wasn't willing to go all in at the trade deadline this past year. Certainly not doing it now that he's older and only had a year left on his deal.

First off, Phoenix DOES NOT HAVE TO GIVE UP DURANT. worst case scenario, they can simply extend him and look to trade him again at the deadline OR possibly just let him play out his contract and gain upwards of 70 million for 26' free agency!

So regardless of opinions, Phoenix will have options even if those options aren't completely optimal.

Second that package is garbage and it wouldn't get KD. So if Miami is unwilling to offer solid value for KD, then they can just look elsewhere. No harm no foul!
Third, Miami won't be the only team bidding for Durant this summer.

Especially if Horst demands a treasure grove for Giannis that most teams just can't afford. KD will be a solid plan B for many teams that have obviously as we all have witnessed suffering stretches in which they struggled to score!

But there will be multiple teams needing or desiring his services (even if a rental) scenario. And Miami removing themselves from being a possibility will have little consequences on their overall outcome/ plans.

I wouldn't offer anything you want for him. Sorry, that's just how I feel. He's 37, injury prone, and he's ruined every team he's been on since he left golden state. You're welcome to keep him or trade him elsewhere. Really doesn't make a difference to me. Just please, keep him away from us. I hope you get the bag for him, truly, but I don't want us to give it to you.

That's fine and your entitled to your opinion of course. But even at 37, he's putting up near triple double production on elite efficiency. And to your comment about being injury prone, he just played 62 games. And on more minutes than he has in years!

As for him ruining every team that he's been on, I'm not a KD fan. But what screwed up everything here was our front office's incompetence with roster building, and reckless impulsivity over mortgaging all of our assets on idiotic positional redundancy.

On a better team with a good front office and solid roster balance, his impact could yield much more favorable results for sure! We just unfortunately tried to be the west coast version of the Nets.

And I'm perfectly fine with looking elsewhere too, because there'll be numerous teams with interest this summer or at worst around the deadline if necessary. I'll leave it at that and wish you luck with everything.

[VaDe255]

Same boat, re-sign Davion. Bank on player growth.

Ware can get stronger and improve his reads on defense.
Jovic hasn't popped but he has all the tools to be a 15/5/5 two way guy, injuries have been holding him back.
Davion shows flashes of Lowry (Lowry also sucked on offense his first 4 years), needs to continue improving his reads on defense, scoring and playmaking skills.
Herro also has to continue improving his playmaking skills and grow as the primary initiator.

There is no need for Miami to sell their future for a tiny KD window. Turn dead cap space into functional rotation players, see what you have in your young players and continue to collect/develop assets for the right guy.

[Saberestar]

That meh package wouldn't get KD to the Heat.
No way the Suns accept that.

The Heat doesn't have the right package to make a good offer for KD. They would need to trade Adebayo but I think they don't want to trade him so there is that. That same thing happened at the deadline.

There are gonna be better offers for KD and if there is not a good offer on the table they will not trade him.