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They were very close to eliminating what is currently the best team in the NBA with a reduced rotation... without a backup center or reliable playmakers to allow their starters to rest. Personally, I wouldn't do anything drastic, but let us see your ideas.

They should trade Murray, maybe to ORL for some badly needed depth pieces and youth. MPJ won't get them anything.

Vuc/PWill/Ayo for MPJ?

Slim Charless wrote:They should trade Murray, maybe to ORL for some badly needed depth pieces and youth. MPJ won't get them anything.

Almost impossible for Orlando to acquire a third max player and any trade involving Murray would include KCP and not sure that’s realistic for Denver.

pipfan wrote:Vuc/PWill/Ayo for MPJ?

no

I agree DEN is close with Jokic, and in a broad sense, I think the GM move is to trade either MPJ or Murray. However, MPJ is probably bad money, and Murray, with his chemistry with Jokic, is more valuable to DEN.

I think the answer is to trade the 26 year old MPJ to a lottery team that might want to gamble, in exchange for a couple of other bad contracts. As an example, I’d ask if there bad blood with a Jerami Grant (31) return, if POR included another cheap rotation piece? POR can gamble on MPJ’s upside.

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:

Slim Charless wrote:They should trade Murray, maybe to ORL for some badly needed depth pieces and youth. MPJ won't get them anything.

Almost impossible for Orlando to acquire a third max player and any trade involving Murray would include KCP and not sure that’s realistic for Denver.

Denver won a title with him. If there's anyone in the league who'd be interested in getting him, it's them. I think you would need to add those 2 FRPs you have this year plus some other stuff.

That said, I don't think it's impossible they say no a deal.

shrink wrote:I agree DEN is close with Jokic, and in a broad sense, I think the GM move is to trade either MPJ or Murray. However, MPJ is probably bad money, and Murray, with his chemistry with Jokic, is more valuable to DEN.

I think the answer is to trade the 26 year old MPJ to a lottery team that might want to gamble, in exchange for a couple of other bad contracts. As an example, I’d ask if there bad blood with a Jerami Grant (31) return, if POR included another cheap rotation piece? POR can gamble on MPJ’s upside.

MPJ is better player than Grant. He averaged 18.2/7/2.1 shooting 50/40/77. He had negative value because of max contract, but he will be 37th highest paid player next season with one more year. He played in this playoffs with really bad shoulder injury, basically with one function arm. He was also starting SF for championship winning team. We will see will Adelman be able to unlock his potential, Malone couldn't.
I would trade him for Durant or Holiday in some deals or other proven winners, not for few worst players.

I could see some tanking team taking on MPJ contract while his value is low, because next year, with these cap rules, and his huge expiring he could actually have more value as 40mil expiring

Slim Charless wrote:

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:

Slim Charless wrote:They should trade Murray, maybe to ORL for some badly needed depth pieces and youth. MPJ won't get them anything.

Almost impossible for Orlando to acquire a third max player and any trade involving Murray would include KCP and not sure that’s realistic for Denver.

Denver won a title with him. If there's anyone in the league who'd be interested in getting him, it's them. I think you would need to add those 2 FRPs you have this year plus some other stuff.

That said, I don't think it's impossible they say no a deal.

Murray’s contract catapults Orlando in 2nd apron territory.

It’s impossible to build a sustainable winning roster with 2/4 core players being injury prone.

Murray with all things considered shouldn’t be viewed as a positive asset.

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:

Slim Charless wrote:

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
Almost impossible for Orlando to acquire a third max player and any trade involving Murray would include KCP and not sure that’s realistic for Denver.

Denver won a title with him. If there's anyone in the league who'd be interested in getting him, it's them. I think you would need to add those 2 FRPs you have this year plus some other stuff.

That said, I don't think it's impossible they say no a deal.

Murray’s contract catapults Orlando in 2nd apron territory.

It’s impossible to build a sustainable winning roster with 2/4 core players being injury prone.

Murray with all things considered shouldn’t be viewed as a positive asset.

Yes, I think Murray with his curent contract (4/224) would be harder to move than MPJ (2/80)

Nuggets: Derrick White, Jrue Holiday

Celtics: Jamal Murray, Zion Williamson, Herb Jones

Nets: Payton Pritchard, DaRon Holmes, Porzingis, Michael Porter Jr., DEN '31 1st

Pels: Jalen Brown, Celtics' #28 & #32

BelgradeNugget wrote:

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:

Slim Charless wrote:
Denver won a title with him. If there's anyone in the league who'd be interested in getting him, it's them. I think you would need to add those 2 FRPs you have this year plus some other stuff.

That said, I don't think it's impossible they say no a deal.

Murray’s contract catapults Orlando in 2nd apron territory.

It’s impossible to build a sustainable winning roster with 2/4 core players being injury prone.

Murray with all things considered shouldn’t be viewed as a positive asset.

Yes, I think Murray with his curent contract (4/224) would be harder to move than MPJ (2/80)

Really?

I think a deal like Murray for KCP/Issac/Cole Anthony and 2 FRPs makes sense for both sides. Or even this year's #16 and future picks.

Gives Orlando a PG who can attack and distribute effectively. While also adding a former champion into the locker.

For Denver, they get a PG who can score some and someone in Issac who can defend on the same level as Gordon and can give him a break 20 mins a game or so without losing anything on defense. They draft well, so I'm sure they could find someone good at #16 too.

BelgradeNugget wrote:

shrink wrote:I agree DEN is close with Jokic, and in a broad sense, I think the GM move is to trade either MPJ or Murray. However, MPJ is probably bad money, and Murray, with his chemistry with Jokic, is more valuable to DEN.

I think the answer is to trade the 26 year old MPJ to a lottery team that might want to gamble, in exchange for a couple of other bad contracts. As an example, I’d ask if there bad blood with a Jerami Grant (31) return, if POR included another cheap rotation piece? POR can gamble on MPJ’s upside.

MPJ is better player than Grant. He averaged 18.2/7/2.1 shooting 50/40/77. He had negative value because of max contract, but he will be 37th highest paid player next season with one more year. He played in this playoffs with really bad shoulder injury, basically with one function arm. He was also starting SF for championship winning team. We will see will Adelman be able to unlock his potential, Malone couldn't.
I would trade him for Durant or Holiday in some deals or other proven winners, not for few worst players.

Honestly, DEN has no choice, but to convert MPJ into several smaller pieces for better depths. What you can do is trying to package him with Nnaji and Saric, and see what you can get in the market.

The obvious move is MPJ. Nuggets will also want to cut salary.

The Pistons might like him. Hes young enough to fit their core. Also, if they resign Schroder, they don’t need Sasser.


MPJ
for
Tobias Harris + Marcus Sasser


In this trade, Tobias expires next year when they have to pay Christian Braun. Sasser steps in as backup PG.

Blazers and Nuggets have done a lot of business together over the years

Nothing drastic, just minor tweaks here and there. I won't change or dilute MPJ's value to its lowest value after playing hurt in the playoffs.

Trade 1..
NETS
In:Saric/H.Tyson/Denver 31
Out:19/27

The Nets, with up to five picks in this draft, trade for a high-variance pick.

SUNS
In:Westbrook
Out:Royce

They save a few million now, Royce's long-term contract expires (saves them a ton in taxes), and they get Russ at a position of need (I'm guessing Russ would take his OP, to go to the Suns and have a significant role).

DENVER
In: Royce /19/27
Out:Tyson/Saric/Russ/Denver 31

Trade 2
BULLS
In:Nnaji/27
Out:Ayo

Swap a guard for a forward, which benefits them positionally and gains a FRP in the process.
In 19, several interesting guards are projected.. Traore or Richardson would be ideal or Clayton Jr/Saraf
Sign any veteran who wants to go to a contender for the minimum... G. Harris/Exum... Did Horford want to play one more year? Is N. Noel officially retired?


Murray/Brawn/MPJ/Gordon/Jokic
Ayo/Strawther/Royce/Watson/Holmes
Pickett/19..(G.Harris)(/Horford..)

Slim Charless wrote:

BelgradeNugget wrote:

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:

Murray’s contract catapults Orlando in 2nd apron territory.

It’s impossible to build a sustainable winning roster with 2/4 core players being injury prone.

Murray with all things considered shouldn’t be viewed as a positive asset.

Yes, I think Murray with his curent contract (4/224) would be harder to move than MPJ (2/80)

Really?

I think a deal like Murray for KCP/Issac/Cole Anthony and 2 FRPs makes sense for both sides. Or even this year's #16 and future picks.

Gives Orlando a PG who can attack and distribute effectively. While also adding a former champion into the locker.

For Denver, they get a PG who can score some and someone in Issac who can defend on the same level as Gordon and can give him a break 20 mins a game or so without losing anything on defense. They draft well, so I'm sure they could find someone good at #16 too.

Well, it doesn't for the Nuggets. Nuggets are competing now. #16 has value for rebuilding teams, not Denver. If any of the starters is traded he must be replaced with as good starter (maybe with diffenrent skilset), and Anthony isn't one. Issac should have retired, can't stay healthy and can't hit the basket. He is bad contract rn. We all love KCP and we know who he is. Orlando also find out who he is.

Any trade for Murray would have to start with Suggs, and I'm not sure any team would considered doing this.

But there is something that makes sense for both teams. Orlando is searching for PG (some are mentioning Trae, Simons...). They will probably include WCJ or Goga + #25 in offer. If other team doesn't need any of them and want some expirings, here is what could make sense for both teams.

Saric (exp) + Westbrook (exp) + 2031 1st for Goga + #25
or
Nnaji + Tyson (exp) + 2031 1st for WCJ + #25

Nuggets get their backup C, and #25, Orlando get exp. contracts and better pick to offer in trade.

I'd tread cautiously, the players with good value (Gordon, Braun) are players you don't want to trade, and MPJ is at his lowest.
Next year, MPJ will be an expiring, and they'll have 26, 31 and 33 1sts available to trade, this is a star level package, I understand this wastes a year of Jokic prime, but this also puts them in a much better position for the future, I wouldn't consider trading for Holiday.
- Call Lopez and see if he wants to come chill for a season at the vet min or TPMLE (preferably vet min) and play 15 MPG behind Jokic.
- It'd try to get 25MPG-30MPG bench player at 13-16 salary range (Zeke Nnaji + Saric salary), Klay if DAL uses his salary to get a PG, Clarkson if no one else is available, Utah will do him a favour and get him to a competitive team.
- Flip Watson for late 1st or a 1st year rookie, they need cost controlled players, Watson isn't good enough, he can still become good, but they can't afford extending him -- Dalton Knecht on the Lakers is a good option.

MessiahUjiri wrote:The obvious move is MPJ. Nuggets will also want to cut salary.

The Pistons might like him. Hes young enough to fit their core. Also, if they resign Schroder, they don’t need Sasser.


MPJ
for
Tobias Harris + Marcus Sasser


In this trade, Tobias expires next year when they have to pay Christian Braun. Sasser steps in as backup PG.

If Sasser is not better than Schroder (and he isn't) I don't see him as backup pg for championship contending team. If he was good enough Detroit would let Schroder go and keep Sasser.
Tobias Harris and MPJ are simmilar scorrers, defenders, rebounders, what separates them is MPJ as a shooter. And Nuggets need this specific skillset from him. He played with one function arm in playoffs and he still provided spacing because both Clipps or OKC glued defender on him.
With Tobias as starting SF Nuggets are worst team.