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If nothing else, hopefully the title was a winner

To Dallas: Stephen Castle, Terrance Mann, Georges Niang, Onyeka Okongwu

To Atlanta: Anthony Davis

To Spurs: Zacharie Risacher

Atlanta goes for it in a much wider open East. Trae/Dyson/Jalen/AD can be a legitimate threat.

SA is likely taking Harper, so Risacher fills a bigger need. They were rumored to have wanted him last year to pair with Wemby

Dallas gets Castle to build with Flagg. Castle can start while Kyrie is recuperating and fits perfectly with him when he returns

Questions

Is it fair for all 3?
Does either team owe Dallas any picks?
Is there a team that would offer Dallas a FRP for OO? One that can take him into space? Like BKN for one of their many picks?

I don’t like it for Dallas. I think they need a bunch of picks to make it fair value.
Good Title though.
Leave out San Antonio and build a package around Richaser, Daniels and picks

I have to think AD's worth more than this. Agree with the commenter above and just doing a direct deal with ATL.

SAS should just take AD imo. But I do this for Dallas.

Send OO to SAS for another first.

Who won ROY by a huge margin?
SAS wants (much) more; Castle > Risacher .

brackdan70 wrote:I don’t like it for Dallas. I think they need a bunch of picks to make it fair value.
Good Title though.
Leave out San Antonio and build a package around Richaser, Daniels and picks

Yea definitely felt Dallas was owed picks, but always scared of being too much of a Homer. Would love a pick or 2 from Atl though their cupboard is light, and out pick swap back from the Spurs

There's logic in this for the Spurs, but I don't think they would prefer trading Castle for Risacher. The Spurs love big guards and underrate shooting. I could see them regretting turning this down one day, but right now they've gotta dance with who brought them.

The trade only works for the hawks.

You could get a better deal for AD

This is basically 2 separate deals:
1) AD to Hawks for Risacher, Okongwu, Niang, Mann
2) Risacher to Spurs for Castle
And if the Mavs only consider this if both deals went through and not just the first one, it'd be in the Spurs best interest that it all fell apart, since they own the Hawks next 2 picks (1 swap, 1 pick outright) and AD to Hawks dilutes their upside, regardless that it might hurt them long term.

this is awful for Dallas and I don't even love AD like that. Hawks should take this and run

I think Dallas is going to see how good they are without Kyrie and how ready Cooper looks. If they are non-competitive and he looks years away from being a difference maker, then I think exploring AD trades is the right approach. But I think with this roster, they are going to try first.

pad300 wrote:Who won ROY by a huge margin?
SAS wants (much) more; Castle > Risacher .

From a trade value and potential perspective Risacher is higher.
Neither is really amazing tbh and if the center piece of a package for a top 10 player you need to add a bunch more.

brackdan70 wrote:From a trade value and potential perspective Risacher is higher.
Neither is really amazing tbh and if the center piece of a package for a top 10 player you need to add a bunch more.

How do you come to this conclusion?

To me, Risacher appears to be a decent 3&D forward, but has shown no ability to create for others or to make his own shot. He's also not a dominating physical specimen at the 3.

Castle, on the other hand, was driving the Spurs offence for the last 20 or so games (With Fox out and Wemby out, for developement, they basically had CP3 pass the ball to Castle and let him cook, using CP3 as an off-ball shooter). It looks like Castle can develop into a full time starting-level PG (rather than the PG/SG he currently is), a spot where is huge (relative to a normal PG) - which adds significant value... Castle is ahead on both potential and physical advantage.

I hate this for Atlanta.

pad300 wrote:

brackdan70 wrote:From a trade value and potential perspective Risacher is higher.
Neither is really amazing tbh and if the center piece of a package for a top 10 player you need to add a bunch more.

How do you come to this conclusion?

To me, Risacher appears to be a decent 3&D forward, but has shown no ability to create for others or to make his own shot. He's also not a dominating physical specimen at the 3.

Castle, on the other hand, was driving the Spurs offence for the last 20 or so games (With Fox out and Wemby out, for developement, they basically had CP3 pass the ball to Castle and let him cook, using CP3 as an off-ball shooter). It looks like Castle can develop into a full time starting-level PG (rather than the PG/SG he currently is), a spot where is huge (relative to a normal PG) - which adds significant value... Castle is ahead on both potential and physical advantage.

I love this post

Risacher is a decent 3&D forward as a rookie. That's difficult. He is a physical specimen at the 2 though and he has good length for a 3. Regardless, he is extremely plug-and-play, which is what you look for in players who don't project to be high-usage, on-ball players.

Then, you say "Castle was the driving force of the offense". How good was that?

19/5/6 with 3 turnovers, 44/29/74 shooting splits

Meanwhile, Risachere put up these numbers in March and April: 16/4/1 on 53/39/70 shooting splits, a significantly higher TS% and eFG%.

Also, CP3 averaged 5.4 assists per game during this "stretch" for Castle. I wouldn't call that "letting Castle cook and using CP3 as an off-ball shooter".

Ultimately, Castle needs to improve a significantly larger margin than Risachere to be an average NBA rotation player. Castle needs to improve a significantly larger margin than Risachere to be an NBA starter. Risachere has a clearer, easier, and more straightforward path to being anything from a role player to a good starter. Where Castle's advantage lies is his statistically unlikely higher-end outcomes, where he is a Jrue Holiday-like Point Guard, can reliably shoot, and switch 1-3. If his shot doesn't develop, he is Eric Bledsoe, and Eric Bledsoe only becomes sought after when he is consistently making shots; otherwise, 2019 happens, and you lose a playoff series next to Giannis.

ReggiesKnicks wrote:

pad300 wrote:

brackdan70 wrote:From a trade value and potential perspective Risacher is higher.
Neither is really amazing tbh and if the center piece of a package for a top 10 player you need to add a bunch more.

How do you come to this conclusion?

To me, Risacher appears to be a decent 3&D forward, but has shown no ability to create for others or to make his own shot. He's also not a dominating physical specimen at the 3.

Castle, on the other hand, was driving the Spurs offence for the last 20 or so games (With Fox out and Wemby out, for developement, they basically had CP3 pass the ball to Castle and let him cook, using CP3 as an off-ball shooter). It looks like Castle can develop into a full time starting-level PG (rather than the PG/SG he currently is), a spot where is huge (relative to a normal PG) - which adds significant value... Castle is ahead on both potential and physical advantage.

I love this post

Risacher is a decent 3&D forward as a rookie. That's difficult. He is a physical specimen at the 2 though and he has good length for a 3. Regardless, he is extremely plug-and-play, which is what you look for in players who don't project to be high-usage, on-ball players.

Then, you say "Castle was the driving force of the offense". How good was that?

19/5/6 with 3 turnovers, 44/29/74 shooting splits

Meanwhile, Risachere put up these numbers in March and April: 16/4/1 on 53/39/70 shooting splits, a significantly higher TS% and eFG%.

Also, CP3 averaged 5.4 assists per game during this "stretch" for Castle. I wouldn't call that "letting Castle cook and using CP3 as an off-ball shooter".

Ultimately, Castle needs to improve a significantly larger margin than Risachere to be an average NBA rotation player. Castle needs to improve a significantly larger margin than Risachere to be an NBA starter. Risachere has a clearer, easier, and more straightforward path to being anything from a role player to a good starter. Where Castle's advantage lies is his statistically unlikely higher-end outcomes, where he is a Jrue Holiday-like Point Guard, can reliably shoot, and switch 1-3. If his shot doesn't develop, he is Eric Bledsoe, and Eric Bledsoe only becomes sought after when he is consistently making shots; otherwise, 2019 happens, and you lose a playoff series next to Giannis.

Regarding the "not a dominating physical specimen at the 3."
I have to add the obligatory 15lbs of offseason muscle incoming ....I had to

brackdan70 wrote:I don’t like it for Dallas. I think they need a bunch of picks to make it fair value.
Good Title though.
Leave out San Antonio and build a package around Richaser, Daniels and picks

For AD? Wouldn't risk it for ATL, would rather have Risacher and Daniels for the next 5 to 8 years than Davis, who could medically retire on his next significant injury. Which with HIS health, could be 20 games from now, you just don't know...