BOS/MIL/UTA

[mlloyd10]

Celtics trade: Holiday/28/2027 1st
Celtics get: Sexton

Why Celtics - Get out of salary cap hell - Move Holiday contract

Bucks trade: Lillard
Bucks get: Holiday/Collins/#43

Why Bucks: Evan though they take on Holiday contract, this ownership group does whatever to keep Giannis happy.

Jazz Trade: Sexton/Collins/#43
Jazz get: Lillard / 28 /Celtics 2027 1st

Why Jazz - Continue the tank, get Celtics 1st and future 1st

[SkyHook]

I love Dame, but I have little faith in his recovery. I don't think that the Jazz would/should take on $8.4MM more this upcoming season for a worse roster and nearly $60MM the following season in what may be dead money for such a small return.

[brackdan70]

Celtics trade: Holiday/28/2027 1st
Celtics get: Sexton

Why Celtics - Get out of salary cap hell - Move Holiday contract

Bucks trade: Lillard
Bucks get: Holiday/Collins/#43

Why Bucks: Evan though they take on Holiday contract, this ownership group does whatever to keep Giannis happy.

Jazz Trade: Sexton/Collins/#43
Jazz get: Lillard / 28 /Celtics 2027 1st

Why Jazz - Continue the tank, get Celtics 1st and future 1st

I really don’t think it costs this much to move Holiday.
I could see 28th pick because Sexton is expiring, but adding a future pick seems way excessive.
Milwaukee is actually saving 17.5 million total here with Dame vs Jrue and then adding Collins at 26.5 isn’t much .
If Milwaukee wants this and Utah needs more value maybe hold out pick 43. Or send it Boston.
I’d fix this by sending pick 43 to Boston and making Boston 2027 a swap rather than outright to Utah.

[hugepatsfan]

Utah should cut MIL out of this. All the value they're getting is from BOS, but Dame is a much worse contract than Jrue considering his injury. He's a total nothing next year and then he'll be coming back off a serious injury in year 2. He'll make more in those 2 years than Jrue makes in his 3 years, and Jrue is still a very good player. The Jazz would easily be able to flip Jrue at some point, maybe even again this offseason. The problem BOS has is that their financial situation makes them very rigid in the matching money they can take back for Jrue. Utah wouldn't have such problems and could take back enough money to probably still get some positive value out of Jrue since he's still a very good player and on the court.

Also, BOS has no need to trade for Sexton in their situation. They'd pull in another team to pay that value and just take a smaller expiring.

[williambh3]

I think Jrue can be moved somewhere for an expiring with no value attached. Have to then add value to turn that expiring into 2025-6 cap savings, which is really the goal. This is definitely a no from Boston.

[Daddy 801]

Feels light to take on Dames contract. In 2027 Tatum is back and the Celts are going to be good. Not interested in a FRP you already know is going to be a late FRP. Has to have the potential of going higher.

[hugepatsfan]

Feels light to take on Dames contract. In 2027 Tatum is back and the Celts are going to be good. Not interested in a FRP you already know is going to be a late FRP. Has to have the potential of going higher.

A lot of guys take a year to get back to norm after coming back from that injury. Also, BOS's roster is kind of totally in flux. Most believe BOS will want to duck the tax in 26-27 altogether (not just aprons). I think it's over the top to just automatically assume that their 2027 1st rounder is going to be late.

Not saying it's enough to take on Dame, but I do think you're kind of underselling that pick's potential upside. particularly if it's used in a salary dump deal like this that makes BOS worse on the court.

[Daddy 801]

Feels light to take on Dames contract. In 2027 Tatum is back and the Celts are going to be good. Not interested in a FRP you already know is going to be a late FRP. Has to have the potential of going higher.

A lot of guys take a year to get back to norm after coming back from that injury. Also, BOS's roster is kind of totally in flux. Most believe BOS will want to duck the tax in 26-27 altogether (not just aprons). I think it's over the top to just automatically assume that their 2027 1st rounder is going to be late.

Not saying it's enough to take on Dame, but I do think you're kind of underselling that pick's potential upside. particularly if it's used in a salary dump deal like this that makes BOS worse on the court.

Are you referencing the 27 as a pick in next years draft or the year after? Because if it was next years draft while Tatum is out it’s valuable. If it’s the season after I don’t really value the pick that much. Dumping Jrue allows them to keep Brown and the rest of their good players. It would be shocking if they weren’t good in what I am referring to as 27 (two drafts away).

[Celts17Pride]

Celtics are not trading two first round picks to move Jrue Holiday. Celtics love Holiday. They will only move Holiday if they get basketball value back. The goal for the Celtics is yes to reduce payroll, but they are not going to do that at all cost. Brad Stevens pretty much said so on his press conference.

[bkohler]

Celtics are not trading two first round picks to move Jrue Holiday. Celtics love Holiday. They will only move Holiday if they get basketball value back. The goal for the Celtics is yes to reduce payroll, but they are not going to do that at all cost. Brad Stevens pretty much said so on his press conference.

I see this as two deals. Using 28 to move off Jrue and 27 FRP to acquire sexton. Those make sense to me.

I think Utah would push for a different pick than the 27, they’ve got three in that draft already but I’m a fan of taking on Dame personally. I allowed the Jazz to tank less disgracefully and adds a small chance he is worth something in the future.

[Celts17Pride]

Celtics are not trading two first round picks to move Jrue Holiday. Celtics love Holiday. They will only move Holiday if they get basketball value back. The goal for the Celtics is yes to reduce payroll, but they are not going to do that at all cost. Brad Stevens pretty much said so on his press conference.

I see this as two deals. Using 28 to move off Jrue and 27 FRP to acquire sexton. Those make sense to me.

I think Utah would push for a different pick than the 27, they’ve got three in that draft already but I’m a fan of taking on Dame personally. I allowed the Jazz to tank less disgracefully and adds a small chance he is worth something in the future.

Just listening to Brad Stevens (who absolutely loves Jrue Holiday), I don't think he would even entertain giving up a 1st round pick to move Jrue Holiday. We all will find out soon enough.

[ReggiesKnicks]

Celtics trade: Holiday/28/2027 1st
Celtics get: Sexton

Why Celtics - Get out of salary cap hell - Move Holiday contract

Bucks trade: Lillard
Bucks get: Holiday/Collins/#43

Why Bucks: Evan though they take on Holiday contract, this ownership group does whatever to keep Giannis happy.

Jazz Trade: Sexton/Collins/#43
Jazz get: Lillard / 28 /Celtics 2027 1st

Why Jazz - Continue the tank, get Celtics 1st and future 1st

You have Boston paying the price of dumping Damian Lillard while Milwaukee gets the best win-now players. Add in Milwaukee's 2031 1st, take out the 2027 BOS 1st and add in #32 from Boston.

Holiday/28/32 for Sexton
Lillard/2031 MIL 1st for Holiday/Collins/43
Sexton/Collins for Lillard/28/32/2031 MIL 1st

[hugepatsfan]

Celtics trade: Holiday/28/2027 1st
Celtics get: Sexton

Why Celtics - Get out of salary cap hell - Move Holiday contract

Bucks trade: Lillard
Bucks get: Holiday/Collins/#43

Why Bucks: Evan though they take on Holiday contract, this ownership group does whatever to keep Giannis happy.

Jazz Trade: Sexton/Collins/#43
Jazz get: Lillard / 28 /Celtics 2027 1st

Why Jazz - Continue the tank, get Celtics 1st and future 1st

You have Boston paying the price of dumping Damian Lillard while Milwaukee gets the best win-now players. Add in Milwaukee's 2031 1st, take out the 2027 BOS 1st and add in #32 from Boston.

Holiday/28/32 for Sexton
Lillard/2031 MIL 1st for Holiday/Collins/43
Sexton/Collins for Lillard/28/32/2031 MIL 1st

I think the '27 1st from BOS still belongs here. Sexton is a good player on expiring deal. That pick is fair value for him. And then adding #28/#32 on top of that for the financial aspect is fair. I think the BOS part of this deal is fine value wise, though I'd argue that BO shouldn't give up that pick for Sexton and should instead pull in a team that wants him and would pay value for him instead.

Agree that the MIL '31 1st is needed. Dame costs more in the next 2 years than Jrue in the next 3. Jrue is pretty worth his money right now but the concern is that he'll be overpaid in '26-27 and drastically so in '27-28 if you assume age related decline. So it's that last forecasted "deadweight year" that's really depressing his value. Well Dame having a deadweight year isn't a "forecasted" thing - it's 100% certainty. And then in year 2 he'll be coming off a serious injury that likely leaves him a shell of himself just based on normal recovery timelines for that injury. So he's undoubtedly a worse deal than Jrue and MIL owes value for that here. Otherwise, Utah just cuts them out.

[SoCalJazzFan]

Celtics trade: Holiday/28/2027 1st
Celtics get: Sexton

Why Celtics - Get out of salary cap hell - Move Holiday contract

Bucks trade: Lillard
Bucks get: Holiday/Collins/#43

Why Bucks: Evan though they take on Holiday contract, this ownership group does whatever to keep Giannis happy.

Jazz Trade: Sexton/Collins/#43
Jazz get: Lillard / 28 /Celtics 2027 1st

Why Jazz - Continue the tank, get Celtics 1st and future 1st

What are the Bucks giving up to get out of a more expensive contract for a player who might never play again for a very good player in return?

[SoCalJazzFan]

Celtics are not trading two first round picks to move Jrue Holiday. Celtics love Holiday. They will only move Holiday if they get basketball value back. The goal for the Celtics is yes to reduce payroll, but they are not going to do that at all cost. Brad Stevens pretty much said so on his press conference.

I see this as two deals. Using 28 to move off Jrue and 27 FRP to acquire sexton. Those make sense to me.

I think Utah would push for a different pick than the 27, they’ve got three in that draft already but I’m a fan of taking on Dame personally. I allowed the Jazz to tank less disgracefully and adds a small chance he is worth something in the future.

Just listening to Brad Stevens (who absolutely loves Jrue Holiday), I don't think he would even entertain giving up a 1st round pick to move Jrue Holiday. We all will find out soon enough.

How much will Brad Stevens opinion matter to a new owner who is currently going to spend $500M (upwards of $238M being taxes) for his team next year while being over the 2nd apron and missing his best player?

Boston is taking on crap players in a trade and/or giving up some assets. All reports indicate that they really want to trade both Jrue and Porzingis and also get below the 2nd apron.

[Celts17Pride]

I see this as two deals. Using 28 to move off Jrue and 27 FRP to acquire sexton. Those make sense to me.

I think Utah would push for a different pick than the 27, they’ve got three in that draft already but I’m a fan of taking on Dame personally. I allowed the Jazz to tank less disgracefully and adds a small chance he is worth something in the future.

Just listening to Brad Stevens (who absolutely loves Jrue Holiday), I don't think he would even entertain giving up a 1st round pick to move Jrue Holiday. We all will find out soon enough.

How much will Brad Stevens opinion matter to a new owner who is currently going to spend $500M (upwards of $238M being taxes) for his team next year while being over the 2nd apron and missing his best player?

Boston is taking on crap players in a trade and/or giving up some assets. All reports indicate that they really want to trade both Jrue and Porzingis and also get below the 2nd apron.

Brad Stevens had a meeting with the new owner and they talked about Stevens plan moving forward and Brad Stevens said they were exactly on the same page FWTW. I think the Celtics goal is to get under the 2nd apron which they are about $20 million above and can get below that any number of ways.

[Celts17Pride]

I see this as two deals. Using 28 to move off Jrue and 27 FRP to acquire sexton. Those make sense to me.

I think Utah would push for a different pick than the 27, they’ve got three in that draft already but I’m a fan of taking on Dame personally. I allowed the Jazz to tank less disgracefully and adds a small chance he is worth something in the future.

Just listening to Brad Stevens (who absolutely loves Jrue Holiday), I don't think he would even entertain giving up a 1st round pick to move Jrue Holiday. We all will find out soon enough.

How much will Brad Stevens opinion matter to a new owner who is currently going to spend $500M (upwards of $238M being taxes) for his team next year while being over the 2nd apron and missing his best player?

Boston is taking on crap players in a trade and/or giving up some assets. All reports indicate that they really want to trade both Jrue and Porzingis and also get below the 2nd apron.

We will see, there are already and number of teams Kings, Mavs expressing a rumored desire to try to acquire Jrue Holiday. I'm sure that list will grow.

[mlloyd10]

Celtics trade: Holiday/28/2027 1st
Celtics get: Sexton

Why Celtics - Get out of salary cap hell - Move Holiday contract

Bucks trade: Lillard
Bucks get: Holiday/Collins/#43

Why Bucks: Evan though they take on Holiday contract, this ownership group does whatever to keep Giannis happy.

Jazz Trade: Sexton/Collins/#43
Jazz get: Lillard / 28 /Celtics 2027 1st

Why Jazz - Continue the tank, get Celtics 1st and future 1st

What are the Bucks giving up to get out of a more expensive contract for a player who might never play again for a very good player in return?

Who's the good player? Holiday is avg now. His offence is a negative right now and defense will decline.

[DNP-Old]

Celtics trade: Holiday/28/2027 1st
Celtics get: Sexton

Why Celtics - Get out of salary cap hell - Move Holiday contract

Bucks trade: Lillard
Bucks get: Holiday/Collins/#43

Why Bucks: Evan though they take on Holiday contract, this ownership group does whatever to keep Giannis happy.
Jazz Trade: Sexton/Collins/#43
Jazz get: Lillard / 28 /Celtics 2027 1st

Why Jazz - Continue the tank, get Celtics 1st and future 1st

What are the Bucks giving up to get out of a more expensive contract for a player who might never play again for a very good player in return?

Who's the good player? Holiday is avg now. His offence is a negative right now and defense will decline.

Given your description of Holiday (negative on offence and declining on defense), you must think that the addition of Collins and #43 are what is going to make Giannis happy.

Side note: Lillard's contract is worse than Holiday's.

[mlloyd10]

What are the Bucks giving up to get out of a more expensive contract for a player who might never play again for a very good player in return?

Who's the good player? Holiday is avg now. His offence is a negative right now and defense will decline.

Given your description of Holiday (negative on offence and declining on defense), you must think that the addition of Collins and #43 are what is going to make Giannis happy.

Side note: Lillard's contract is worse than Holiday's.

Not at all