Sac - Orlando

[LightTheBeam]

Inspiration from Skybox from a post on the Kings board. I've adjusted it some

Kings out: Sabonis, Monk
Kings in: Suggs, Isaac, Goga, da Silva, #16

Why for Sac? Start the re-tool. Silva, Suggs, and 16 isn't a great haul, but it's young assets at positions of need. JV, Demar, LaVine are the next ones to go.
Core - Suggs, Carter, Keon, Keegan, Da Silva, #16

Magic out: Isaac, Goga, Suggs, Da Silva, #16
Magic in: Sabonis, Monk

Why for Magic? Upgrade the roster. Sabonis can help be a facilitator and so can Monk. They have the defense and size to continue being a top defensive team + improve the offense a ton. Next step would be to move some combination of WCJ, Cole, Harris, Jett for a backup forward.

[jjohns828]

I don't love the fit between Sabonis, Franz, and Paolo so I'd be hesitant to add him on his current deal since the cap situation could get dicey once Paolo's upcoming extension kicks in after next season. If the Magic were making a deal with the Kings I'd probably prefer a smaller deal just around Monk, but I also don't think he'd be my first choice to add to the backcourt.

[Skybox]

Perfect summer for Orl...nice one.

[longfellow44]

This is pretty bad for the kings. We don't get anything back to justify this trade at all. Isaac is a Mac of 15 minutes per night so he is more or less negative value, goga and da silva are thrown in types. The only real value here is suggs and the pick.

I think the king could get suggs by sending out Monk and a future pick. I just don't see this being a worthwhile trade for the kings.

[Skybox]

This is pretty bad for the kings. We don't get anything back to justify this trade at all. Isaac is a Mac of 15 minutes per night so he is more or less negative value, goga and da silva are thrown in types. The only real value here is suggs and the pick.

I think the king could get suggs by sending out Monk and a future pick. I just don't see this being a worthwhile trade for the kings.

The value IS Suggs and the pick for Sabonis...how do you expect to match salaries for a guy making that much? None of the others are unworthy of rotation spots, but they're not the point. Watch Isaac sometime, even in limited minutes, he is as disruptive defensively as ANY player in the league.

In no galaxy does Monk and a less than top 3 pick get you Suggs.

[Magic_Johnny12]

I think the king could get suggs by sending out Monk and a future pick.

You think wrong.

[Magic_Johnny12]

Inspiration from Skybox from a post on the Kings board. I've adjusted it some

Kings out: Sabonis, Monk
Kings in: Suggs, Isaac, Goga, da Silva, #16

Why for Sac? Start the re-tool. Silva, Suggs, and 16 isn't a great haul, but it's young assets at positions of need. JV, Demar, LaVine are the next ones to go.
Core - Suggs, Carter, Keon, Keegan, Da Silva, #16

Magic out: Isaac, Goga, Suggs, Da Silva, #16
Magic in: Sabonis, Monk

Why for Magic? Upgrade the roster. Sabonis can help be a facilitator and so can Monk. They have the defense and size to continue being a top defensive team + improve the offense a ton. Next step would be to move some combination of WCJ, Cole, Harris, Jett for a backup forward.

This still leaves Orlando with no starting PG.

On top of that this forces Orlando to depend on KCP as their SG of the near future.

Lastly, Sabonis isn’t the best fit with Paolo/Wagner. All poor 3pt shooters and all kinda operate within the same space.

I think this iteration of the Magic would be considerably worse on the floor and put Orlando in a very tough and even worse financial position.

[orlando_joe]

I think the king could get suggs by sending out Monk and a future pick.

You think wrong.

admit it...he did get you to laugh right?

[Skybox]

Inspiration from Skybox from a post on the Kings board. I've adjusted it some

Kings out: Sabonis, Monk
Kings in: Suggs, Isaac, Goga, da Silva, #16

Why for Sac? Start the re-tool. Silva, Suggs, and 16 isn't a great haul, but it's young assets at positions of need. JV, Demar, LaVine are the next ones to go.
Core - Suggs, Carter, Keon, Keegan, Da Silva, #16

Magic out: Isaac, Goga, Suggs, Da Silva, #16
Magic in: Sabonis, Monk

Why for Magic? Upgrade the roster. Sabonis can help be a facilitator and so can Monk. They have the defense and size to continue being a top defensive team + improve the offense a ton. Next step would be to move some combination of WCJ, Cole, Harris, Jett for a backup forward.

This still leaves Orlando with no starting PG.

On top of that this forces Orlando to depend on KCP as their SG of the near future.

Lastly, Sabonis isn’t the best fit with Paolo/Wagner. All poor 3pt shooters and all kinda operate within the same space.

I think this iteration of the Magic would be considerably worse on the floor and put Orlando in a very tough and even worse financial position.

You can find a weakness in ANY player in the league, but he's a star...elite rebounder, passer for a big man, scorer...

BTW...What % did Sabonis shoot from 3 this year?

[Magic_Johnny12]

Inspiration from Skybox from a post on the Kings board. I've adjusted it some

Kings out: Sabonis, Monk
Kings in: Suggs, Isaac, Goga, da Silva, #16

Why for Sac? Start the re-tool. Silva, Suggs, and 16 isn't a great haul, but it's young assets at positions of need. JV, Demar, LaVine are the next ones to go.
Core - Suggs, Carter, Keon, Keegan, Da Silva, #16

Magic out: Isaac, Goga, Suggs, Da Silva, #16
Magic in: Sabonis, Monk

Why for Magic? Upgrade the roster. Sabonis can help be a facilitator and so can Monk. They have the defense and size to continue being a top defensive team + improve the offense a ton. Next step would be to move some combination of WCJ, Cole, Harris, Jett for a backup forward.

This still leaves Orlando with no starting PG.

On top of that this forces Orlando to depend on KCP as their SG of the near future.

Lastly, Sabonis isn’t the best fit with Paolo/Wagner. All poor 3pt shooters and all kinda operate within the same space.

I think this iteration of the Magic would be considerably worse on the floor and put Orlando in a very tough and even worse financial position.

BTW...What % did Sabonis shoot from 3 this year?

Dude, you’re brighter than this.

Career 1.4 attempts, you’re not serious.

No one is questioning Sabonis the player, but the fit with Orlando’s core that you conveniently did not have a response for.

I’m starved for offense just like you, but it has to make sense. This isn’t 2K.

[Skybox]

This still leaves Orlando with no starting PG.

On top of that this forces Orlando to depend on KCP as their SG of the near future.

Lastly, Sabonis isn’t the best fit with Paolo/Wagner. All poor 3pt shooters and all kinda operate within the same space.

I think this iteration of the Magic would be considerably worse on the floor and put Orlando in a very tough and even worse financial position.

BTW...What % did Sabonis shoot from 3 this year?

Dude, you’re brighter than this.

Career 1.4 attempts, you’re not serious.

No one is questioning Sabonis the player, but the fit with Orlando’s core that you conveniently did not have a response for.

I’m starved for offense just like you, but it has to make sense. This isn’t 2K.

Just look at his stats... 13.9 !! rebounds (more than our TWO 6'10 forwards combined) -3.8 on the offensive end-that's a lot of extra possessions...6 assists (down from 8.2 last year - that'd be double any of our guards...double!). So much more ball movement, so much more BBIQ...imagine if Paolo and Franz actually cut for easy hoops instead of dribbling between their legs at the 3pt line before crashing into a crowd on every possession...easy baskets.

"This isn't 2K" is among the dumbest things people throw around...WTF is RealGM then?

So consistent to pick apart perennial all-star level players "but he doesn't ______"

[sackings916]

This isn’t enough for Sabonis. Suggs is nice, but still short on value and to throw in Monk on top of that?

[LightTheBeam]

This is pretty bad for the kings. We don't get anything back to justify this trade at all. Isaac is a Mac of 15 minutes per night so he is more or less negative value, goga and da silva are thrown in types. The only real value here is suggs and the pick.

I think the king could get suggs by sending out Monk and a future pick. I just don't see this being a worthwhile trade for the kings.

I think you've got to adjust your expectations. We saw what fox returned. Sabonis is 29, on a big contract, flawed, and has already hinted hes going to request a trade.

Isaac and goga are salary here, not value. Suggs + pick is value for sabonis, da Silva is value for monk. Silva isn't a throw in, hes a long forward going into his 2nd year. Hes got solid potential and would be a great piece for a forwsrd needy team.

[jredsaz]

I think the king could get suggs by sending out Monk and a future pick.

You think wrong.

admit it...he did get you to laugh right?

Why is Goga so underrated by Magic fans? He is really good and I’d imagine penciled in as the starting center next season. Am I wrong?

[longfellow44]

This is pretty bad for the kings. We don't get anything back to justify this trade at all. Isaac is a Mac of 15 minutes per night so he is more or less negative value, goga and da silva are thrown in types. The only real value here is suggs and the pick.

I think the king could get suggs by sending out Monk and a future pick. I just don't see this being a worthwhile trade for the kings.

I think you've got to adjust your expectations. We saw what fox returned. Sabonis is 29, on a big contract, flawed, and has already hinted hes going to request a trade.

Isaac and goga are salary here, not value. Suggs + pick is value for sabonis, da Silva is value for monk. Silva isn't a throw in, hes a long forward going into his 2nd year. Hes got solid potential and would be a great piece for a forwsrd needy team.

If suggs and the pick are the value then Monk doesn't need to be in the trade, and honestly that seems like too little to me. As far as sabonis's value is concerned he has much more trade value than fox. Sabonis hasn't asked to be traded, and the certainly didn't handcuff the team by demanding only a singular destination, that alone is a huge difference in value

As far as fit is concerned for the magic one poster keeps posting about how sabonis is a poor fit for them, well guess what you already have the perfect fit in Isaac you should play him more minutes because he is a super valuable defensive presence

[LightTheBeam]

This is pretty bad for the kings. We don't get anything back to justify this trade at all. Isaac is a Mac of 15 minutes per night so he is more or less negative value, goga and da silva are thrown in types. The only real value here is suggs and the pick.

I think the king could get suggs by sending out Monk and a future pick. I just don't see this being a worthwhile trade for the kings.

I think you've got to adjust your expectations. We saw what fox returned. Sabonis is 29, on a big contract, flawed, and has already hinted hes going to request a trade.

Isaac and goga are salary here, not value. Suggs + pick is value for sabonis, da Silva is value for monk. Silva isn't a throw in, hes a long forward going into his 2nd year. Hes got solid potential and would be a great piece for a forwsrd needy team.

If suggs and the pick are the value then Monk doesn't need to be in the trade, and honestly that seems like too little to me. As far as sabonis's value is concerned he has much more trade value than fox. Sabonis hasn't asked to be traded, and the certainly didn't handcuff the team by demanding only a singular destination, that alone is a huge difference in value

As far as fit is concerned for the magic one poster keeps posting about how sabonis is a poor fit for them, well guess what you already have the perfect fit in Isaac you should play him more minutes because he is a super valuable defensive presence

Fox is an elite guard who fits on every team. Sabonis is a non defending center. And again hes already hinted hes going to talk to management about what the future plans are. This is basically exactly what fox did last summer.

And this return btw is significantly better than what fox returned

Suggs > lavine
#16 > 27 spurs 1st
Da Silva = 31 minnesota 1st

[sackings916]

I think you've got to adjust your expectations. We saw what fox returned. Sabonis is 29, on a big contract, flawed, and has already hinted hes going to request a trade.

Isaac and goga are salary here, not value. Suggs + pick is value for sabonis, da Silva is value for monk. Silva isn't a throw in, hes a long forward going into his 2nd year. Hes got solid potential and would be a great piece for a forwsrd needy team.

If suggs and the pick are the value then Monk doesn't need to be in the trade, and honestly that seems like too little to me. As far as sabonis's value is concerned he has much more trade value than fox. Sabonis hasn't asked to be traded, and the certainly didn't handcuff the team by demanding only a singular destination, that alone is a huge difference in value

As far as fit is concerned for the magic one poster keeps posting about how sabonis is a poor fit for them, well guess what you already have the perfect fit in Isaac you should play him more minutes because he is a super valuable defensive presence

Fox is an elite guard who fits on every team. Sabonis is a non defending center. And again hes already hinted hes going to talk to management about what the future plans are. This is basically exactly what fox did last summer.

And this return btw is significantly better than what fox returned

Suggs > lavine
#16 > 27 spurs 1st
Da Silva = 31 minnesota 1st

Elite guards make the all star team more than once in 8 seasons, and that 1 all star was only due to injury replacement. Fox is good, but every metric paints Sabonis to be a much more impactful player.

[LightTheBeam]

If suggs and the pick are the value then Monk doesn't need to be in the trade, and honestly that seems like too little to me. As far as sabonis's value is concerned he has much more trade value than fox. Sabonis hasn't asked to be traded, and the certainly didn't handcuff the team by demanding only a singular destination, that alone is a huge difference in value

As far as fit is concerned for the magic one poster keeps posting about how sabonis is a poor fit for them, well guess what you already have the perfect fit in Isaac you should play him more minutes because he is a super valuable defensive presence

Fox is an elite guard who fits on every team. Sabonis is a non defending center. And again hes already hinted hes going to talk to management about what the future plans are. This is basically exactly what fox did last summer.

And this return btw is significantly better than what fox returned

Suggs > lavine
#16 > 27 spurs 1st
Da Silva = 31 minnesota 1st

Elite guards make the all star team more than once in 8 seasons, and that 1 all star was only due to injury replacement. Fox is good, but every metric paints Sabonis to be a much more impactful player.

All star games are not the end all be all for deciding elite talent. He played in a conference with Shai, curry, luka, lillard, and many more.

Anyways, this thread isn't about fox. Its about moving sabonis in a deal that makes sense for sac. We aren't going anywhere, getting a 23 year old stud defensive guard who is getting better every year, a young forward with potential and a pick is a solid haul.

[UnbelievablyRAW]

Not sure Orlando in real life would want to move Suggs for Sabonis on its own.

I don't think the Kings will actually get any player as good as Suggs in real life when he is moved. Sabonis makes 43.6 going on 50 million for this year and another 2 and is not a rim protector or floor spacer. The Kings at best have been a middle of the pack defensive team and on average been a bottom 10-12 defense every year.

He is being paid like a number 1 or number 2 of a championship team but realistically should be a 3rd option. Him on Orlando would be a disgusting level of floor spacing while not really changing the ceiling without Paulo and Franz elevating to super stars (which would have to happen regardless to change the ceiling). He's a great interior scorer and rebounder with great passing instincts, but that contract is just way to high.

Kings fans might heavily disagree, but I don't know which team is going to trade a core player plus picks for Sabonis where it makes them a contender without destroying their capsheet

Orlando with Suggs was a significantly better team, I wouldn't be surprised if Suggs himself comes back better next year given his age. Not sure why they'd move him out the door to get Sabonis for one of their best assets when it isn't clear he'd be able to push this team atop the East.

If I'm orlando I'm looking for another guard to pair next to Suggs that can shoot. They can try to take a swing on someone like Mathurin who the Pacers may not want to pay, trade for Simons, Reaves in a SnT? etc

[orlando_joe]

You think wrong.

admit it...he did get you to laugh right?

Why is Goga so underrated by Magic fans? He is really good and I’d imagine penciled in as the starting center next season. Am I wrong?

not on magic wcj will be starter with no trades..he is a solid backup spot starter insurance...on magic everyone healthy mo wagner backs wcj.. goga 3rd he is expandable if magic draft center with 1 of first rd picks