Bostons best offer for Giannis (hoping not to be laughed at by the Mods)

[brackdan70]

Assumed a draft day trade 2024/25 Salaries
Also assume Giannis wants out and Boston is one of the places he wants to go.
Boston Out: Brown, White, Pritchard, 28, 32, 2026 FRP unprotected, 2027 FRP swap rights unprotected, 2030 swap rights unprotected, 2031 FRP unprotected.
Boston in: Giannis, Kuzma,

Bucks out Giannis, Kuzma
Bucks in: Brown, White, 32,42, 2026 Bos FRP, 2027 Sac FRP(top 10), 2027 BOS FRP Swap, 2030 BOS Swap, 2031 Bos FRP

SAC out: 42, 2027 FRP top 10 protected
SAC in via TPE/ Pritchard, 28

Boston gets an MVP level guy for two years, slight salary reduction and a chance to make a run in 2026/27 with Tatum, Giannis, Holiday

Bucks get a good return in all star level players with some good years left and picks. Also unload Kuzma.

SAC gets a cheap quality point guard and a FRP this year at the price of their FRP next year with some protection.

[Godaddycurse]

How is boston clearing enough salary to get below 2nd apron?

[Texas Chuck]

Can't speak for all of us, but generally speaking Mods don't laugh at earnest attempts at anything.

I don't think this gets it done, but its a sincere offer.

[LightTheBeam]

Not that this part really matters, but I'd take Pritchard for some 2nds, but I'm not giving any Sacramento 1st rounder for him. I'm not sure how good he'd actually be outside Boston, and Kings shouldn't be giving any future 1sts for non stars. We suck.

[hugepatsfan]

I think Brown/White/picks for Giannis actually could have been viable if Tatum didn't get hurt. That swap alone gets the Celtics below the 2nd apron even accounting for filling out roster with vet min deals. So Pritchard/Hauser stay and I bet they could get Horford/Kornet back.

MIL just has to ship Portis or PatC/small filler into TPEs somewhere to make that work - BOS can ay the freight on that with 2nds.

Pritchard
Jrue
Tatum / Hauser
Giannis / Horford
Porzingis / Kornet

Play some big lineups with Tatum at the 2 and that's legit rotation. I could see Giannis wanting that.

I've seen some suggest that White could be traded to HOU for Reed/#10 if MIL wanted to move him for a more rebuilding package, for example. I feel like Reed, #10, all of future BOS draft capital and then a top 25 (or so) player in Brown I think is a very realistic offer.

The problem is that with Tatum out, I doubt Giannis wants to come to BOS anymore. Maybe if White stayed you could sell him that it's one year of a punchers chance and then with Tatum back next year you could be a powerhouse. But then how do you make that value up to MIL?

[brackdan70]

How is boston clearing enough salary to get below 2nd apron?

Saves roughly 10 million for 2025/26 and 15 million for 26/27
Avoid the tax for 26/27 if they want.
If there is a need to get under the second Apron this year then a follow up Porzingis trade will be necessary.
FWIW I don’t expect them to try to get under the second Apron for 2025/26. They set things up to accomplish that in 2026/27.

[hugepatsfan]

Not that this part really matters, but I'd take Pritchard for some 2nds, but I'm not giving any Sacramento 1st rounder for him. I'm not sure how good he'd actually be outside Boston, and Kings shouldn't be giving any future 1sts for non stars. We suck.

Yeah that part is a bad fit. I do think Pritchard is worth a decent 1st, but from the current draft. No one is going to give up the variability of future picks and the trading restrictions that come with that for him.

[facothomas22]

This isn't awful from a value standpoint, but the Bucks would have a excessive amount of salary on their roster. Derrick White and maybe even Jaylen Brown would likely need to be rerouted for significant assets.

[Godaddycurse]

How is boston clearing enough salary to get below 2nd apron?

Saves roughly 10 million for 2025/26 and 15 million for 26/27
Avoid the tax for 26/27 if they want.
If there is a need to get under the second Apron this year then a follow up Porzingis trade will be necessary.
FWIW I don’t expect them to try to get under the second Apron for 2025/26. They set things up to accomplish that in 2026/27.

But you need to aggregate to make this legal so you have to get under 2nd apron (White makes less than Kuzma for 24-25 salary)

[brackdan70]

How is boston clearing enough salary to get below 2nd apron?

Saves roughly 10 million for 2025/26 and 15 million for 26/27
Avoid the tax for 26/27 if they want.
If there is a need to get under the second Apron this year then a follow up Porzingis trade will be necessary.
FWIW I don’t expect them to try to get under the second Apron for 2025/26. They set things up to accomplish that in 2026/27.

But you need to aggregate to make this legal so you have to get under 2nd apron (White makes less than Kuzma for 24-25 salary)

You are right. So a Porzingis deal need to happen before or before part of this.
It’s hard

[ReggiesKnicks]

A bit more nuance could be used here.

1) Send White to New Orleans for Better of 2026 Swap, 2027 1st and one other rebuilding asset
2) Send Brown to a team who has salary + rebuilding asset(s)
3) Pritchard is worth at least #25 from Orlando or something similar, at a minimum
4) Send 2027 1st, 2030 Swap, 2031 1st, 2032 Swap

2026 NOP/MIL 1st swap, 2027 NOP/MIL 1st (better of 2), Matching Salary from Brown + asset(s), Late 2025 1st, 2027 1st & 2031 1st (Boston), 2030 and 2032 Swap (BOS)

Worth a shot but missing the high-end asset.

[hugepatsfan]

Saves roughly 10 million for 2025/26 and 15 million for 26/27
Avoid the tax for 26/27 if they want.
If there is a need to get under the second Apron this year then a follow up Porzingis trade will be necessary.
FWIW I don’t expect them to try to get under the second Apron for 2025/26. They set things up to accomplish that in 2026/27.

But you need to aggregate to make this legal so you have to get under 2nd apron (White makes less than Kuzma for 24-25 salary)

You are right. So a Porzingis deal need to happen before or before part of this.
It’s hard

I think more likely you just take Kuzma out of the deal. The numbers on just a straight Brown/White for Giannis swap, ignoring everything else is:

BOS saves $27.1M - that gets them below the 2nd apron so all of that is solved.

MIL is $28.2M below the 1st apron but only 10 players signed so taking on that $27.1M would be hard for them to handle in the hard cap for taking back more salary. It's also more than they can legally take back for Giannis.

The easy solution is that if Portis opts in, you just have to dump him into a TPE somewhere. That opens up the room to fill the roster out under the 1st apron and it takes care of the matching rules. If Portis opts out, then that gives room to fill out roster but you have to dump PatC/minimum salary into a TPE to fix the matching part.

So I think that's the base of your deal:

BOS gives: Brown/White for Giannis
MIL gives: Giannis and either Portis or PatC/minimum guy for Brown/White
3rd team takes either Portis or PatC/Minimum into TPE for probably some BOS 2nds or maybe even for free

You had Pritchard for a pick in your deal, so if MIL insists on getting that value then that can be worked out separately. BOS can afford to take back matching salary for him too, so it's not like it has to be a TPE team. Like for instance they could trade him to ORL for Gary Harris/#16 and send#16 to MIL while keeping Harris. I think BOS would fight like hell to keep Pritchard though because, assuming they get Horford/Kornet back on minimum deals, I think you could convince Giannis to give it a shot for one year with:

Pritchard
Jrue
Hauser
Giannis / Horford
Porzingis / Kornet

And then next year Tatum is back. No Brown/White/Tatum/Pritchard and I think you'd have a hard time finding the necessary supporting scoring.

[Slim Tubby]

This isn't awful from a value standpoint, but the Bucks would have a excessive amount of salary on their roster. Derrick White and maybe even Jaylen Brown would likely need to be rerouted for significant assets.

Would Naz Reid (S&T), Dillingham, 17 and 31 from MIN be enough value to reroute White to the Wolves?

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[JayMKE]

Boston simply does not have the assets and are no position to make the trade with Tatum out next year. If Giannis is willing to take a gap year in Boston then he would be willing in Milwaukee.

What ceiling do you think a Brown/White led team has? Not very high, these guys are 28 and 30 right now so what purpose are they serving on the Bucks? The idea of trading for them to trade them is reductive and unrealistic. It’s not happening.

[Mamba4Goat]

Can't speak for all of us, but generally speaking Mods don't laugh at earnest attempts at anything.

I don't think this gets it done, but its a sincere offer.

It’s more of a giggle in these instances.

Kidding aside, I agree with Chuck.

[Dn4sty]

Boston can’t aggregate salaries

[brackdan70]

Boston can’t aggregate salaries

Yeah they would need a precursor trade that shaved off enough to get under the Apron, and then they would be hard capped there.
Or make this separate trades. Brown for Giannis in 24/25 and White for Kuzma in 25/26

Still unlikely and difficult to work.

[ProcessDoctor]

Can Boston aggregate contracts in a trade? Fanspo has them $19.9 mil over the 2nd apron.

If I'm not mistaken, they can't even do Brown for Giannis straight up because Giannis makes more.

[brackdan70]

Can Boston aggregate contracts in a trade? Fanspo has them $19.9 mil over the 2nd apron.

If I'm not mistaken, they can't even do Brown for Giannis straight up because Giannis makes more.

Right rookie mistake in the OP. They would need a trade to shave off about 15 million before this ( likely Porzingis) or they would need to ship Kuzma elsewhere or complete it as separate trades with no aggregation.

[JonHeist]

no because it puts us in purgatory, but thanks for not massively undervaluing giannis like most of the posters on this fourm