JAllen to Bulls

[pipfan]

Bulls send Ayo to BRK and Vuc/#12 to Clev
Bulls get Allen and Okoro

BRK sends #36 to Clev
BRK gets Ayo

Clev sends Allen/Okoro to Chi
Clev gets Vuc/#12/#36

BRK gets a free guard

Clev saves A TON of $. Vuc can play with or behind Mobley. They add #12 and #36

I'm not sure about this one for Chi, but Allen is the type of center I want for the Bulls. We still do my Port pick to OKC for Dieng/#24 and go with
Ball/#24/JCarter
White/Huerter/Okoro
Giddey/Phillips/Terry
Matas/PWill/Dieng
Allen/Collins/JSmith
Out defense would improve A TON with Allen over Vuc

[One_and_Done]

Bulls send Ayo to BRK and Vuc/#12 to Clev
Bulls get Allen and Okoro

BRK sends #36 to Clev
BRK gets Ayo

Clev sends Allen/Okoro to Chi
Clev gets Vuc/#12/#36

BRK gets a free guard

Clev saves A TON of $. Vuc can play with or behind Mobley. They add #12 and #36

I'm not sure about this one for Chi, but Allen is the type of center I want for the Bulls. We still do my Port pick to OKC for Dieng/#24 and go with
Ball/#24/JCarter
White/Huerter/Okoro
Giddey/Phillips/Terry
Matas/PWill/Dieng
Allen/Collins/JSmith
Out defense would improve A TON with Allen over Vuc

Cleveland needs a wing for Allen, not a bench big on a good team. The #12 is nice, but the Cavs will focus on getting a piece they can actually use.

[axeman23]

Any chance of swapping the 12 for Brooklyn's 8, and Brooklyn keeping their 2nd and taking both of the Cavs' 2nds? I like the idea of Jakucionis as a primary ball-handler if they end up moving Garland, but I could talk myself into Demin as a secondary ball-handler too.

[pipfan]

Bulls send Ayo to BRK and Vuc/#12 to Clev
Bulls get Allen and Okoro

BRK sends #36 to Clev
BRK gets Ayo

Clev sends Allen/Okoro to Chi
Clev gets Vuc/#12/#36

BRK gets a free guard

Clev saves A TON of $. Vuc can play with or behind Mobley. They add #12 and #36

I'm not sure about this one for Chi, but Allen is the type of center I want for the Bulls. We still do my Port pick to OKC for Dieng/#24 and go with
Ball/#24/JCarter
White/Huerter/Okoro
Giddey/Phillips/Terry
Matas/PWill/Dieng
Allen/Collins/JSmith
Out defense would improve A TON with Allen over Vuc

Cleveland needs a wing for Allen, not a bench big on a good team. The #12 is nice, but the Cavs will focus on getting a piece they can actually use.

Sure, but they also save a lot of $ here. #12 could be a wing (Demin?)

[One_and_Done]

Bulls send Ayo to BRK and Vuc/#12 to Clev
Bulls get Allen and Okoro

BRK sends #36 to Clev
BRK gets Ayo

Clev sends Allen/Okoro to Chi
Clev gets Vuc/#12/#36

BRK gets a free guard

Clev saves A TON of $. Vuc can play with or behind Mobley. They add #12 and #36

I'm not sure about this one for Chi, but Allen is the type of center I want for the Bulls. We still do my Port pick to OKC for Dieng/#24 and go with
Ball/#24/JCarter
White/Huerter/Okoro
Giddey/Phillips/Terry
Matas/PWill/Dieng
Allen/Collins/JSmith
Out defense would improve A TON with Allen over Vuc

Cleveland needs a wing for Allen, not a bench big on a good team. The #12 is nice, but the Cavs will focus on getting a piece they can actually use.

Sure, but they also save a lot of $ here. #12 could be a wing (Demin?)

They're in win now mode, the #12 pick is too long term.

[jbk1234]

Vuc is fine as the third big in a three big rotation, but one of the reasons Niang is gone is that he couldn't stay on the floor in the playoffs (or even against certain teams in the regular season). The Cavs can't wait on a 19-year old rookie.

[ChettheJet]

I do see why the Cavs don't really need #12 because they want to make their run with the group the have around Mitchell. I don't see why the Bulls need to take Okoro who they don't need but if they take him with Allen for Dosunmu and Vucevic they're saving CLE $100M over the next 3 years and there isn't going to be anybody else knocking on their door to give them that kind of cap savings in one trade. It doesn't look even on talent to anybody in the posting world but when the CFO of the Cavs sees the options he'll have in the next 3 years they'll like it fine

[toooskies]

Bulls send Ayo to BRK and Vuc/#12 to Clev
Bulls get Allen and Okoro

BRK sends #36 to Clev
BRK gets Ayo

Clev sends Allen/Okoro to Chi
Clev gets Vuc/#12/#36

BRK gets a free guard

Clev saves A TON of $. Vuc can play with or behind Mobley. They add #12 and #36

I'm not sure about this one for Chi, but Allen is the type of center I want for the Bulls. We still do my Port pick to OKC for Dieng/#24 and go with
Ball/#24/JCarter
White/Huerter/Okoro
Giddey/Phillips/Terry
Matas/PWill/Dieng
Allen/Collins/JSmith
Out defense would improve A TON with Allen over Vuc

Cleveland needs a wing for Allen, not a bench big on a good team. The #12 is nice, but the Cavs will focus on getting a piece they can actually use.

Sure, but they also save a lot of $ here. #12 could be a wing (Demin?)

Because Vucevic makes more than Allen, the Cavs need to get under (and stay under) the 2nd apron. This trade does not get the Cavs under the 2nd apron once you take into account Mobley's DPOY/All-NBA escalator. It cuts roughly $10m when the Cavs need to cut at least $11m to get under the apron now, roughly $15m to stay under with a 14-player roster filled out with rookie contracts, $19m or so to pay the #12 pick and the rest be rookies. All of those numbers involve letting Merrill and Jerome walk in free agency.

This deal might be tweakable to get the Cavs comfortably under but really, you need to send Hunter's salary out to get Vucevic. Then do Allen for (White? Ball + Smith?) and add draft capital and salary trimming from there.

[jbk1234]

I do see why the Cavs don't really need #12 because they want to make their run with the group the have around Mitchell. I don't see why the Bulls need to take Okoro who they don't need but if they take him with Allen for Dosunmu and Vucevic they're saving CLE $100M over the next 3 years and there isn't going to be anybody else knocking on their door to give them that kind of cap savings in one trade. It doesn't look even on talent to anybody in the posting world but when the CFO of the Cavs sees the options he'll have in the next 3 years they'll like it fine

Dan Gilbert has never been afraid to spend.

This is the Cavs first year in the tax since LBJ left.

The 2nd apron penalties aren't significant until year 3.

The Cavs have a lot of contracts that expire before year 3 (including Okoro's).

There will be tons of cap space available league wide next summer.

Getting under the 2nd apron isn't the goal here. It would be a solid bonus, but if the team isn't better after the trade, the trade isn't getting made.

[leo921]

Allen/Okoro for Vuc/Williams/Port pick

Bulls get Allen and get off Williams money.
Cavs get an expiring Vuc to save money moving forward, also helps with Cavs wing depth so can do more lineups like
Garland/Mitchell/Williams/Hunter/Mobley

[jbk1234]

Allen/Okoro for Vuc/Williams/Port pick

Bulls get Allen and get off Williams money.
Cavs get an expiring Vuc to save money moving forward, also helps with Cavs wing depth so can do more lineups like
Garland/Mitchell/Williams/Hunter/Mobley

Patrick Williams doesn't have positive trade value on his extension. Vuc is best as a backup and is paid like a starter. That Portland pick is likely to be two seconds.

You seem to have gotten lost on your way to the as-is, used car lot and stumbled into the new luxury model dealership.

[mcfly1204]

I don't see an Allen to Chicago deal out there. Even if a third team is pulled in, they'd have to be looking to shed long term money in the form of a productive player that Cleveland would be interested in.

[Texas Chuck]

Any chance of swapping the 12 for Brooklyn's 8, and Brooklyn keeping their 2nd and taking both of the Cavs' 2nds? I like the idea of Jakucionis as a primary ball-handler if they end up moving Garland, but I could talk myself into Demin as a secondary ball-handler too.

So your position is that Brooklyn should move from 8 to 12 for 3 2nd rounders? I'm going to say, no Brooklyn is very unlikely to do that.

[axeman23]

Any chance of swapping the 12 for Brooklyn's 8, and Brooklyn keeping their 2nd and taking both of the Cavs' 2nds? I like the idea of Jakucionis as a primary ball-handler if they end up moving Garland, but I could talk myself into Demin as a secondary ball-handler too.

So your position is that Brooklyn should move from 8 to 12 for 3 2nd rounders? I'm going to say, no Brooklyn is very unlikely to do that.

Well I did think it was unlikely, which is why i said "any chance?". But they may have wanted the extra 2nds either as cheap roster-filler while starting the rebuild, or potentially as filler to make a trade of their own sound better than it was. I just like the sounds of Jaku, and the chances of getting him went from non-existent to slim in the agreed part of the trade (the 12th pick).

[ReggiesKnicks]

Any chance of swapping the 12 for Brooklyn's 8, and Brooklyn keeping their 2nd and taking both of the Cavs' 2nds? I like the idea of Jakucionis as a primary ball-handler if they end up moving Garland, but I could talk myself into Demin as a secondary ball-handler too.

So your position is that Brooklyn should move from 8 to 12 for 3 2nd rounders? I'm going to say, no Brooklyn is very unlikely to do that.

Well I did think it was unlikely, which is why i said "any chance?". But they may have wanted the extra 2nds either as cheap roster-filler while starting the rebuild, or potentially as filler to make a trade of their own sound better than it was. I just like the sounds of Jaku, and the chances of getting him went from non-existent to slim in the agreed part of the trade (the 12th pick).

If you approach hypothetical trades from opposing teams before your own, you don't need to ask these questions.

Does the team picking 8, 19, 26, 27 and 36 want more 2nds and less premium picks?

[axeman23]

So your position is that Brooklyn should move from 8 to 12 for 3 2nd rounders? I'm going to say, no Brooklyn is very unlikely to do that.

Well I did think it was unlikely, which is why i said "any chance?". But they may have wanted the extra 2nds either as cheap roster-filler while starting the rebuild, or potentially as filler to make a trade of their own sound better than it was. I just like the sounds of Jaku, and the chances of getting him went from non-existent to slim in the agreed part of the trade (the 12th pick).

If you approach hypothetical trades from opposing teams before your own, you don't need to ask these questions.

Does the team picking 8, 19, 26, 27 and 36 want more 2nds and less premium picks?

AH, yes. Those pesky late 1st rounders. Let's sweep them BACK under the table, please! haha

[pipfan]

It could be Collins to Clev over Vuc?
Saves more $ and makes the trade legal

[toooskies]

Cleveland needs a wing for Allen, not a bench big on a good team. The #12 is nice, but the Cavs will focus on getting a piece they can actually use.

Sure, but they also save a lot of $ here. #12 could be a wing (Demin?)

Because Vucevic makes more than Allen, the Cavs need to get under (and stay under) the 2nd apron. This trade does not get the Cavs under the 2nd apron once you take into account Mobley's DPOY/All-NBA escalator. It cuts roughly $10m when the Cavs need to cut at least $11m to get under the apron now, roughly $15m to stay under with a 14-player roster filled out with rookie contracts, $19m or so to pay the #12 pick and the rest be rookies. All of those numbers involve letting Merrill and Jerome walk in free agency.

This deal might be tweakable to get the Cavs comfortably under but really, you need to send Hunter's salary out to get Vucevic. Then do Allen for (White? Ball + Smith?) and add draft capital and salary trimming from there.

Just want to correct myself— the deal CAN go through if processed in the 2024-2025 league year because in that year Allen and Vucevic make identical salaries. It ceases to be valid in 2025-26.