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Spurs get: Gobert/DDV
Wolves get: Vassell/Johnson/14

Why Spurs: Gobert/Wemby is solid pairing up front and clears the way for Harper
Why Wolves: Realized that Gobert is match up dependent in playoffs without right PF. Get a solid wing and lottery pick

Seems really bad for Minnesota. Keldon has no real role with Randle/Naz and Vassell isn't an upgrade on DDV, just more expensive. And a late lotto pick for the guy who is still their clear 2nd best player when they've been in b2b conference Finals seems really the wrong way to go.

We can argue about if the Spurs want a center next to Wemby, but it doesn't really matter because of how poor this is for the Wolves. But you would only have to play Gobert/Wemby together a few minutes each half which is definitely doable and its such great value. It will get unanimously turned down but it shouldn't.

Wemby/Gobert wasn't a viable lineup in FIBA conditions. They aren't working in the NBA. Any move that forces the Spurs to play Wemby major minutes next to another center is a no-go. That's why drafting a good backup center at 14 is a sweet spot for me. Ideally, that player can share the court with Wemby and be awesome. But if not, a mid first isn't too much to spend on a 12-18 MPG player. In contrast, Gobert's salary being used for such a player would be really bad.

Chinook wrote:Wemby/Gobert wasn't a viable lineup in FIBA conditions. They aren't working in the NBA. Any move that forces the Spurs to play Wemby major minutes next to another center is a no-go. That's why drafting a good backup center at 14 is a sweet spot for me. Ideally, that player can share the court with Wemby and be awesome. But if not, a mid first isn't too much to spend on a 12-18 MPG player. In contrast, Gobert's salary being used for such a player would be really bad.

Haliburton wasn't playable in FIBA, he isn't playable in the NBA.

Gobert and Wemby have had a mentor-mentee relationship since he was 13. I would imagine trading for Gobert, and learning defense from the four time DPOY, would be an incredibly valuable investment in Wemby, accelerating his growth and maybe raising his HOF ceiling even higher.

It would take a bigger offer than this from the Spurs, but I think maximizing Wemby’s career is far more important than winning games right now. I’m sure many will disagree, but if there is one player I think the Spurs should target, it’s Gobert.

This is a trade that makes both teams worse imo. Gobert/Victor is an awful pairing on offense. But MIN giving up DDV and Gobert for Vassell and Keldon just seems silly value wise for them, even with the 14th pick. This is an easy no for SA and a resounding no from MIN

Chinook wrote:Wemby/Gobert wasn't a viable lineup in FIBA conditions. They aren't working in the NBA. Any move that forces the Spurs to play Wemby major minutes next to another center is a no-go. That's why drafting a good backup center at 14 is a sweet spot for me. Ideally, that player can share the court with Wemby and be awesome. But if not, a mid first isn't too much to spend on a 12-18 MPG player. In contrast, Gobert's salary being used for such a player would be really bad.

Exactly...people keep wanting Vic to be a PF because of his skillset. He is not a PF. He is a C with wing skills and his best areas to operate both on O and D are inside the three point line

ReggiesKnicks wrote:

Chinook wrote:Wemby/Gobert wasn't a viable lineup in FIBA conditions. They aren't working in the NBA. Any move that forces the Spurs to play Wemby major minutes next to another center is a no-go. That's why drafting a good backup center at 14 is a sweet spot for me. Ideally, that player can share the court with Wemby and be awesome. But if not, a mid first isn't too much to spend on a 12-18 MPG player. In contrast, Gobert's salary being used for such a player would be really bad.

Haliburton wasn't playable in FIBA, he isn't playable in the NBA.

Halliburton could adjust to FIBA with enough time and effort. Gobert/Wemby should have worked in FIBA more readily than in the NBA but didn't because they're just that bad of a fit.

Texas Chuck wrote:Seems really bad for Minnesota. Keldon has no real role with Randle/Naz and Vassell isn't an upgrade on DDV, just more expensive. And a late lotto pick for the guy who is still their clear 2nd best player when they've been in b2b conference Finals seems really the wrong way to go.

We can argue about if the Spurs want a center next to Wemby, but it doesn't really matter because of how poor this is for the Wolves. But you would only have to play Gobert/Wemby together a few minutes each half which is definitely doable and its such great value. It will get unanimously turned down but it shouldn't.

I dont think both Reid and Randle are back next season

mlloyd10 wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:Seems really bad for Minnesota. Keldon has no real role with Randle/Naz and Vassell isn't an upgrade on DDV, just more expensive. And a late lotto pick for the guy who is still their clear 2nd best player when they've been in b2b conference Finals seems really the wrong way to go.

We can argue about if the Spurs want a center next to Wemby, but it doesn't really matter because of how poor this is for the Wolves. But you would only have to play Gobert/Wemby together a few minutes each half which is definitely doable and its such great value. It will get unanimously turned down but it shouldn't.

I dont think both Reid and Randle are back next season

So now Minny doesn't have their elite defensive center and are missing one of their two best power forwards? And your solve for that much loss is Keldon Johnson and pick 14? Yeah thats just a huge drop off. If they are taking that big of a step back, they should take a more future oriented package if they want to break it down and build it back up.

mlloyd10 wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:Seems really bad for Minnesota. Keldon has no real role with Randle/Naz and Vassell isn't an upgrade on DDV, just more expensive. And a late lotto pick for the guy who is still their clear 2nd best player when they've been in b2b conference Finals seems really the wrong way to go.

We can argue about if the Spurs want a center next to Wemby, but it doesn't really matter because of how poor this is for the Wolves. But you would only have to play Gobert/Wemby together a few minutes each half which is definitely doable and its such great value. It will get unanimously turned down but it shouldn't.

I dont think both Reid and Randle are back next season

How does that work?

Minnesota now has this for next year:

Mike Conley/Rob Dillingham
Anthony Edwards/Nickeil Alexander-Walker
Jaden McDaniels/Devin Vassell/Terrence Shannon
Julius Randle or Naz Reid/Keldon Johnson/Leonard Miller
Luka Garza
+Picks #14, #17, #31

That's not even a playoff team in the West.

Would Castle/Burnes for Gobert be better?

mlloyd10 wrote:Would Castle/Burnes for Gobert be better?

All the feedback here is Spurs fans don't want Gobert. I doubt they want their coveted and overrated ROY in a trade for Gobert.

Chinook wrote:Wemby/Gobert wasn't a viable lineup in FIBA conditions. They aren't working in the NBA. Any move that forces the Spurs to play Wemby major minutes next to another center is a no-go. That's why drafting a good backup center at 14 is a sweet spot for me. Ideally, that player can share the court with Wemby and be awesome. But if not, a mid first isn't too much to spend on a 12-18 MPG player. In contrast, Gobert's salary being used for such a player would be really bad.

Wemby has to play 5 on D.
Gobert only value is being the 5 on D, he’s terrible defending the perimeter and has 0 value on offense
It’s unplayable

A 5 next to Wemby could be nice but he has to be able to defend the perimeter when sharing the court with Wemby and bring shooting passing, cutting etc

eric365 wrote:

Chinook wrote:Wemby/Gobert wasn't a viable lineup in FIBA conditions. They aren't working in the NBA. Any move that forces the Spurs to play Wemby major minutes next to another center is a no-go. That's why drafting a good backup center at 14 is a sweet spot for me. Ideally, that player can share the court with Wemby and be awesome. But if not, a mid first isn't too much to spend on a 12-18 MPG player. In contrast, Gobert's salary being used for such a player would be really bad.

Wemby has to play 5 on D.
Gobert only value is being the 5 on D, he’s terrible defending the perimeter and has 0 value on offense
It’s unplayable

A 5 next to Wemby could be nice but he has to be able to defend the perimeter when sharing the court with Wemby and bring shooting passing, cutting etc

Rudy is terrible defending the perimeter? That's not right. He is above average for a center in that regard.

ReggiesKnicks wrote:

eric365 wrote:

Chinook wrote:Wemby/Gobert wasn't a viable lineup in FIBA conditions. They aren't working in the NBA. Any move that forces the Spurs to play Wemby major minutes next to another center is a no-go. That's why drafting a good backup center at 14 is a sweet spot for me. Ideally, that player can share the court with Wemby and be awesome. But if not, a mid first isn't too much to spend on a 12-18 MPG player. In contrast, Gobert's salary being used for such a player would be really bad.

Wemby has to play 5 on D.
Gobert only value is being the 5 on D, he’s terrible defending the perimeter and has 0 value on offense
It’s unplayable

A 5 next to Wemby could be nice but he has to be able to defend the perimeter when sharing the court with Wemby and bring shooting passing, cutting etc

Rudy is terrible defending the perimeter? That's not right. He is above average for a center in that regard.

He also has value on offense in the pick-and-roll if a team has a player that is willing and able to throw the lob.

Otherwise, he stays in the dunker spot, and was only top 5 in the NBA in ORBPG and 2PFG%.

ReggiesKnicks wrote:

eric365 wrote:

Chinook wrote:Wemby/Gobert wasn't a viable lineup in FIBA conditions. They aren't working in the NBA. Any move that forces the Spurs to play Wemby major minutes next to another center is a no-go. That's why drafting a good backup center at 14 is a sweet spot for me. Ideally, that player can share the court with Wemby and be awesome. But if not, a mid first isn't too much to spend on a 12-18 MPG player. In contrast, Gobert's salary being used for such a player would be really bad.

Wemby has to play 5 on D.
Gobert only value is being the 5 on D, he’s terrible defending the perimeter and has 0 value on offense
It’s unplayable

A 5 next to Wemby could be nice but he has to be able to defend the perimeter when sharing the court with Wemby and bring shooting passing, cutting etc

Rudy is terrible defending the perimeter? That's not right. He is above average for a center in that regard.

Above average for a center is average for a natural PF, so it would make little sense to pay 43 million for him to play in that role without adding anything offensively. He has stone hands and no ability to get his own shot... You dont add a player that is a rim protector to no have him as a rim protector, since the only player who is better at that than Rudy is... Wemby

Ugh... it seems like every non Spurs fan is fixated on moving some big name player to the Spurs, as if it magically did anything. In this case, the fit is completely nonsensical, if there's a better player in the league at what Gobert does best it's Wemby, and what Wemby needs around him (perimiter defense, shooting) Gobert doesn't provide (other than rebounding). You want to create synergy between your core pieces, this is the opposite of that. Way, way off.

For the record, Spurs don't need a big splash for a star, they need a few key pieces that address their weaknesses without hurting them too much financially or asset wise, especially 3&D wings who can space the floor and defend (should be redundant but nowadays anyone gets put into the category even if they can't shoot or defend) and a backup rim protector. That alone plus health from their core guys (Wemby missed half the season, Fox played through injury its entirety) and internal growth (Castle, Sochan) would do wonders.

tcheco wrote:

ReggiesKnicks wrote:

eric365 wrote:
Wemby has to play 5 on D.
Gobert only value is being the 5 on D, he’s terrible defending the perimeter and has 0 value on offense
It’s unplayable

A 5 next to Wemby could be nice but he has to be able to defend the perimeter when sharing the court with Wemby and bring shooting passing, cutting etc

Rudy is terrible defending the perimeter? That's not right. He is above average for a center in that regard.

Above average for a center is average for a natural PF, so it would make little sense to pay 43 million for him to play in that role without adding anything offensively. He has stone hands and no ability to get his own shot... You dont add a player that is a rim protector to no have him as a rim protector, since the only player who is better at that than Rudy is... Wemby

Rudy Gobert isn't making 43 Million per year next year.

ReggiesKnicks wrote:

tcheco wrote:

ReggiesKnicks wrote:
Rudy is terrible defending the perimeter? That's not right. He is above average for a center in that regard.

Above average for a center is average for a natural PF, so it would make little sense to pay 43 million for him to play in that role without adding anything offensively. He has stone hands and no ability to get his own shot... You dont add a player that is a rim protector to no have him as a rim protector, since the only player who is better at that than Rudy is... Wemby

Rudy Gobert isn't making 43 Million per year next year.

My bad

35 millions for an average perimeter defender that cant shoot nor pass is terrible

tcheco wrote:

ReggiesKnicks wrote:

tcheco wrote:
Above average for a center is average for a natural PF, so it would make little sense to pay 43 million for him to play in that role without adding anything offensively. He has stone hands and no ability to get his own shot... You dont add a player that is a rim protector to no have him as a rim protector, since the only player who is better at that than Rudy is... Wemby

Rudy Gobert isn't making 43 Million per year next year.

My bad

35 millions for an average perimeter defender that cant shoot nor pass is terrible

We can agree to disagree since all the metrics we have for Gobert is he is worth his contract.

Spurs want Wemby primarily at the 5. I don't expect them to invest resources in a Center as good as Gobert given it would cost much more than what the OP has proposed. I do expect the Spurs to invest in a backup Center and someone with good strength for the position.