Magic/Cavaliers

facothomas22 · Post #1 » by **facothomas22** » Fri May 30, 2025 6:29 pm

Magic Out: KCP, Anthony Black, Tristan Da Silva, 16th pick in this year's draft,Magic 2027 and 2029 1st round pick
Magic In: Darius Garland

Cavaliers out: Darius Garland
Cavaliers in: KCP, Anthony Black, Tristan De Silva, 16 pick in this year's draft, Magic 2027 and 2029 1st round pick

Why the Magic do this? They get a borderline all star level point guard who really help to space out the floor on offense. He would slotted [perfectly as the 3rd option, which would mean Jalen Suggs would become the perfect 4th option.

Why the Cavaliers do this? They get a 1st round pick in this year's draft, multiple future 1st round to partially replenish their depleted draft asset board, along with a couple of young prospects with upside and a pverpaid, but still playable two way guard in KCP.

SkyHook · Post #2 » by **SkyHook** » Fri May 30, 2025 6:31 pm

facothomas22 wrote:Magic Out: KCP, Anthony Black, Tristan Da Silva, 16th pick in this year's draft,Magic 2027 and 2029 1st round pick
Magic In: Darius Garland

Cavaliers out: Darius Garland
Cavaliers in: KCP, Anthony Black, Tristan De Silva, 16 pick in this year's draft, Magic 2027 and 2029 1st round pick

Why the Magic do this? They get a borderline all star level point guard who really help to space out the floor on offense. He would slotted [perfectly as the 3rd option, which would mean Jalen Suggs would become the perfect 4th option.

Why the Cavaliers do this? They get a 1st round pick in this year's draft, multiple future 1st round to partially replenish their depleted draft asset board, along with a couple of young prospects with upside and a pverpaid, but still playable two way guard in KCP.

That's an aggressive offer for Garland, more than I'd be willing to pay.

Post #3 » by **Texas Chuck** » Fri May 30, 2025 6:32 pm

Value is good, but I think Cleveland needs to re-route some of it to bring in another creator. It can't just be Spida doing everything. It just doesn't work.

This is the kind of move Orlando should be looking for.

toooskies · Post #4 » by **toooskies** » Fri May 30, 2025 6:34 pm

This is the wrong direction for the Cavs. They want to be more competitive in the playoffs and this is a mix of has-been and never-was. They already don't have rotation space for Jaylon Tyson, let alone Da Silva and a new pick along with two guys who'd take the outgoing player's minutes.

If Orlando calls for Garland, the Cavs first ask for Franz. If Orlando turns that down, the Cavs ask for Suggs+. If Orlando turns that down, the conversation's over.

BigGargamel · Post #5 » by **BigGargamel** » Fri May 30, 2025 6:37 pm

That would obviously be a real good haul for Garland, if Cleveland is rebuilding. But like that Jarrett Allen to Memphis thread, why? Cleveland is trying to win a championship. Trading a starter for bench pieces and draft picks doesn't help accomplish that goal. They need veterans.

DowJones · Post #6 » by **DowJones** » Fri May 30, 2025 6:39 pm

As a Cleveland fan, I don’t like this at all.

MartinsIzAfraud · Post #7 » by **MartinsIzAfraud** » Fri May 30, 2025 6:39 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:Value is good, but I think Cleveland needs to re-route some of it to bring in another creator. It can't just be Spida doing everything. It just doesn't work.

This is the kind of move Orlando should be looking for.

Not this year it isn’t. This would be the push all your chips in for a guard that brings you a championship. Orlando isn’t just a Garland away from winning it all. Not to mention what hoops Orlando would have to jump through after this deal to even have playable bench players.

mg · Post #8 » by mg » Fri May 30, 2025 6:49 pm

Cavs already pushed their chips in with the Mitchell deal. They are not taking a step back by dealing Garland or Allen for picks/prospects. I personally think they should deal at least one of them for better fitting pieces who can compete in the playoffs next postseason. This deal doesn't satisfy those requirements.

orlando_joe · Post #9 » by **orlando_joe** » Fri May 30, 2025 6:53 pm

magic just can not afford this takes depth and future with so many picks they will need.. instant 2nd apron ..nothing left but cut with no way to add and improve...i do not think magic need to go this way or will...also see cavs saying no..but do think black and kcp ,da silva would fit right in plus 3 firsts that is a lot for a guy that overlaps plays no defense is clear target on that end and is killing there cap...man that 8 mill plus a yr mobley just added is going to hurt

jayjaysee · Post #10 » by **jayjaysee** » Fri May 30, 2025 6:53 pm

That’s an expensive roster for Orlando. Not sure they go for it.

But a third team seems necessary to make the pieces worth it for Cleveland

tidho · Post #11 » by **tidho** » Fri May 30, 2025 6:59 pm

Seems like reasonable value for CLE, but this doesn't put them back in a similar position to where they are today. They'd have to couple this with another deal to consolidate some of their pieces into another win now player. I wouldn't mind it, but i don't think CLE would do it.

Post #12 » by **jbk1234** » Fri May 30, 2025 7:35 pm

I can't see the Cavs filling the Magic's biggest hole with the perfect player. I don't see a realistic trade. Altman might bite on Franz, but I wouldn't.

Magic_Johnny12 · Post #13 » by **Magic_Johnny12** » Fri May 30, 2025 8:45 pm

jbk1234 wrote:I can't see the Cavs filling the Magic's biggest hole with the perfect player. I don't see a realistic trade. Altman might bite on Franz, but I wouldn't.

Come again?

Post #14 » by **jbk1234** » Fri May 30, 2025 8:58 pm

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:I can't see the Cavs filling the Magic's biggest hole with the perfect player. I don't see a realistic trade. Altman might bite on Franz, but I wouldn't.

Come again?

Garland is the perfect PG for the Magic. He's young. They have a young team. The Cavs could end up losing to the Magic in the playoffs for the next 5 years if they trade Garland to Orlando.

Nyce_1 · Post #15 » by **Nyce_1** » Fri May 30, 2025 9:07 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:I can't see the Cavs filling the Magic's biggest hole with the perfect player. I don't see a realistic trade. Altman might bite on Franz, but I wouldn't.

Come again?

Garland is the perfect PG for the Magic. He's young. They have a young team. The Cavs could end up losing to the Magic in the playoffs for the next 5 years if they trade Garland to Orlando.

Ask Cavs fans about Garland's mental toughness. Far from "perfect PG".

Post #16 » by **jbk1234** » Fri May 30, 2025 9:10 pm

Nyce_1 wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
Come again?

Garland is the perfect PG for the Magic. He's young. They have a young team. The Cavs could end up losing to the Magic in the playoffs for the next 5 years if they trade Garland to Orlando.

Ask Cavs fans about Garland's mental toughness. Far from "perfect PG".

I'm not really interested in psychobabble nonsense. When Haliburton was playing on a bad hamstring last post season was he mentally *soft.* Now that his hamstring is healthy, I notice that kind of talk has gone away.

Anyway, I strongly prefer that the Magic fill their hole with a Simons type.

Magic_Johnny12 · Post #17 » by **Magic_Johnny12** » Fri May 30, 2025 9:11 pm

Nyce_1 wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
Come again?

Garland is the perfect PG for the Magic. He's young. They have a young team. The Cavs could end up losing to the Magic in the playoffs for the next 5 years if they trade Garland to Orlando.

Ask Cavs fans about Garland's mental toughness. Far from "perfect PG".

Defensive liability
Mental toughness concerns
Max contract

He has missed 93 regular season games and 4 playoff games in his 6 years with the Cavaliers, due to 20 separate injuries.

Garland would undoubtedly be an upgrade, but he is FAR from perfect.

mcfly1204 · Post #18 » by **mcfly1204** » Fri May 30, 2025 9:13 pm

Nyce_1 wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
Come again?

Garland is the perfect PG for the Magic. He's young. They have a young team. The Cavs could end up losing to the Magic in the playoffs for the next 5 years if they trade Garland to Orlando.

Ask Cavs fans about Garland's mental toughness. Far from "perfect PG".

I have no issue with Garland's mental toughness. Had you said physical toughness, you might have had something there. He's an elite shooter, one of the quickest players in the league with the ball in his hand, can play off the ball, or run your offense. Is he a plus defender? No. Does he have some injury concerns due to his slight build? Yes. Note that it was also stated as "perfect for the Magic", a strong defensive team lacking shooting and offense in general.

Post #19 » by **jbk1234** » Fri May 30, 2025 9:15 pm

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
Nyce_1 wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
Garland is the perfect PG for the Magic. He's young. They have a young team. The Cavs could end up losing to the Magic in the playoffs for the next 5 years if they trade Garland to Orlando.

Ask Cavs fans about Garland's mental toughness. Far from "perfect PG".

Defensive liability
Mental toughness concerns
Max contract

He has missed 93 regular season games and 4 playoff games in his 6 years with the Cavaliers, due to 20 separate injuries.

Garland would undoubtedly be an upgrade, but he is FAR from perfect.

Sounds like the Magic should look elsewhere then.

Magic_Johnny12 · Post #20 » by **Magic_Johnny12** » Fri May 30, 2025 9:24 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
Nyce_1 wrote:
Ask Cavs fans about Garland's mental toughness. Far from "perfect PG".

Defensive liability
Mental toughness concerns
Max contract

He has missed 93 regular season games and 4 playoff games in his 6 years with the Cavaliers, due to 20 separate injuries.

Garland would undoubtedly be an upgrade, but he is FAR from perfect.

Sounds like the Magic should look elsewhere then.

Don’t get defensive, nothing I said is inaccurate.

Cleveland wouldn’t be shopping Garland if he was as perfect as you make him to be.

Upgrade over Corey Joseph? Sure. However, not a perfect player for Orlando by any measure.