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No Giannis 5 Team Blockbuster - Celtics/Nets/Hornets/Bucks/Jazz - KP / Cam / Sexton

Posted: Sat May 31, 2025 1:00 am
by NYG
Celtics get:
Josh Okogie
Right to Swap 2030 First Round Draft Picks with the Bucks

-Gives: Kristaps Porzingis and '26 Lotto Protected 1st ('27 Unprotected)

Why: The positioning of the pick protection sets them up not to be hurt if they have a down year without Tatum and they get a future swap while saving a ton of money in the process.

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Nets get:
Kyle Kuzma
Pat Connaughton
2031 Unprotected Milwaukee Bucks First Round Draft Pick

-Gives: Cam Johnson

Why: They get an unprotected pick that could end up being very valuable in order to downgrade from Cam Johnson to Kyle Kuzma while they continue to rebuild for one more off-season.

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Hornets get:
Kristaps Porzingis

-Gives: Jusuf Nurkic and Josh Okogie

Why: They upgrade at center without paying a ton to do so. By taking on money they can afford, they get a seasoned veteran that would be a nice fit with the young guys.

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Bucks get:
Cam Johnson
Collin Sexton

-Gives: Kyle Kuzma, Pat Connaughton, '30 Pick Swap and '31 1st

Why: They get some nice help around Giannis even with Lillard out while not losing any of their other important players. Sexton and Cam could be very solid to build around next season.

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Jazz get:
Jusuf Nurkic
2026 Lottery Protected Boston Celtics First Round Draft Pick (2027 Unprotected)

-Gives: Collin Sexton

Why: They're likely rebuilding this off-season and getting a first guaranteed to convey without taking on long-term money for Sexton is likely a deal they would have interest in.

Re: No Giannis 5 Team Blockbuster - Celtics/Nets/Hornets/Bucks/Jazz - KP / Cam / Sexton

Posted: Sat May 31, 2025 7:59 am
by RiotPunch
Love it for the Bucks.

Re: No Giannis 5 Team Blockbuster - Celtics/Nets/Hornets/Bucks/Jazz - KP / Cam / Sexton

Posted: Sat May 31, 2025 12:59 pm
by NYG
RiotPunch wrote:Love it for the Bucks.


Is the $23 Million in savings worth losing KP plus giving up a 1st for a swap? Boston is where I struggle... maybe replace Okogie with Salaun and Charlotte sends Salaun, 33rd and 34th Overall to the Kings into their TPE?

So Boston would outright dump KP using the 1st and get the swap rights?

Re: No Giannis 5 Team Blockbuster - Celtics/Nets/Hornets/Bucks/Jazz - KP / Cam / Sexton

Posted: Sat May 31, 2025 1:05 pm
by NYG
Edited - 6 teams:

Celtics get:
Right to Swap 2030 First Round Draft Picks with the Bucks

Nets get:
Kyle Kuzma
Pat Connaughton
2031 Unprotected Milwaukee Bucks First Round Draft Pick

Hornets get:
Kristaps Porzingis

Bucks get:
Cam Johnson
Collin Sexton

Kings get:
Tidjane Salaun
33rd Overall Draft Pick
34th Overall Draft Pick

Jazz get:
Jusuf Nurkic
2026 Lottery Protected Boston Celtics First Round Draft Pick (2027 Unprotected)

Re: No Giannis 5 Team Blockbuster - Celtics/Nets/Hornets/Bucks/Jazz - KP / Cam / Sexton

Posted: Sat May 31, 2025 1:07 pm
by facothomas22
How are the Bucks getting both Collin Sexton and Cam Johnson with the assets they have? The Bucks have nobody on the roster outside of course Giannis that would be worth a 1st round pick and they also only have a 1st pick round to trade. Cam Johnson likely would be go out for more than anything the Bucks could offer. I could see a Kyle Kumza + Bucks 2031 1st round for Collin Sexton swap being appealing for both sides, but at that point, the Bucks would simply delaying the inevitable while also having more years where they won't have control over their 1st round pick

Re: No Giannis 5 Team Blockbuster - Celtics/Nets/Hornets/Bucks/Jazz - KP / Cam / Sexton

Posted: Sat May 31, 2025 1:11 pm
by NYG
facothomas22 wrote:How are the Bucks getting both Collin Sexton and Cam Johnson with the assets they have? The Bucks have nobody on the roster outside of course Giannis that would be worth a 1st round pick and they also only have a 1st pick round to trade. Cam Johnson likely would be go out for more than anything the Bucks could offer. I could see a Kyle Kumza + Bucks 2031 1st round for Collin Sexton swap being appealing for both sides, but at that point, the Bucks would simply delaying the inevitable while also having more years where they won't have control over their 1st round pick


According to my other thread where I proposed essentially Kuzma and '31 for Sexton... I was told pretty much as a consensus that '31 1st had more value so I could see Kuzma, Connaughton and '31 1st being worth Cam Johnson if the Nets are still rebuilding

Re: No Giannis 5 Team Blockbuster - Celtics/Nets/Hornets/Bucks/Jazz - KP / Cam / Sexton

Posted: Sat May 31, 2025 3:14 pm
by brackdan70
Strong effort !!
Like I said when you Asked on the Celtics board I have a lot of heartburn giving up that pick. It seems too much to me.
Sac is getting two good seconds to be a minor facilitator here right?
Can we route one of those seconds to Boston?

Re: No Giannis 5 Team Blockbuster - Celtics/Nets/Hornets/Bucks/Jazz - KP / Cam / Sexton

Posted: Sun Jun 1, 2025 3:11 am
by NYG
brackdan70 wrote:Strong effort !!
Like I said when you Asked on the Celtics board I have a lot of heartburn giving up that pick. It seems too much to me.
Sac is getting two good seconds to be a minor facilitator here right?
Can we route one of those seconds to Boston?



Celtics get:
Right to Swap 2030 First Round Draft Picks with the Bucks
34th Overall Draft Pick

Nets get:
Kyle Kuzma
Pat Connaughton
2031 Unprotected Milwaukee Bucks First Round Draft Pick

Hornets get:
Kristaps Porzingis

Bucks get:
Cam Johnson
Collin Sexton

Kings get:
Tidjane Salaun
33rd Overall Draft Pick

Jazz get:
Jusuf Nurkic
2026 Lottery Protected Boston Celtics First Round Draft Pick (2027 Top 4 Protected or becomes two seconds)

Re: No Giannis 5 Team Blockbuster - Celtics/Nets/Hornets/Bucks/Jazz - KP / Cam / Sexton

Posted: Sun Jun 1, 2025 3:13 am
by brackdan70
NYG wrote:
brackdan70 wrote:Strong effort !!
Like I said when you Asked on the Celtics board I have a lot of heartburn giving up that pick. It seems too much to me.
Sac is getting two good seconds to be a minor facilitator here right?
Can we route one of those seconds to Boston?



Celtics get:
Right to Swap 2030 First Round Draft Picks with the Bucks
34th Overall Draft Pick

Nets get:
Kyle Kuzma
Pat Connaughton
2031 Unprotected Milwaukee Bucks First Round Draft Pick

Hornets get:
Kristaps Porzingis

Bucks get:
Cam Johnson
Collin Sexton

Kings get:
Tidjane Salaun
33rd Overall Draft Pick

Jazz get:
Jusuf Nurkic
2026 Lottery Protected Boston Celtics First Round Draft Pick (2027 Top 4 Protected or becomes two seconds)

Send it in to the league office

Re: No Giannis 5 Team Blockbuster - Celtics/Nets/Hornets/Bucks/Jazz - KP / Cam / Sexton

Posted: Sun Jun 1, 2025 3:55 am
by NYG
brackdan70 wrote:
NYG wrote:
brackdan70 wrote:Strong effort !!
Like I said when you Asked on the Celtics board I have a lot of heartburn giving up that pick. It seems too much to me.
Sac is getting two good seconds to be a minor facilitator here right?
Can we route one of those seconds to Boston?



Celtics get:
Right to Swap 2030 First Round Draft Picks with the Bucks
34th Overall Draft Pick

Nets get:
Kyle Kuzma
Pat Connaughton
2031 Unprotected Milwaukee Bucks First Round Draft Pick

Hornets get:
Kristaps Porzingis

Bucks get:
Cam Johnson
Collin Sexton

Kings get:
Tidjane Salaun
33rd Overall Draft Pick

Jazz get:
Jusuf Nurkic
2026 Lottery Protected Boston Celtics First Round Draft Pick (2027 Top 4 Protected or becomes two seconds)

Send it in to the league office


Just looking... Boston would need it to be 2031 and 2032 2nds because everything between now and then is traded already. I'm not sure Ainge would go for that variable.

Celtics get:
Right to Swap 2030 First Round Draft Picks with the Bucks
Earlier of 2027 Trail Blazers/Pelicans Second Round Draft Pick (via Hornets)
Earlier of 2028 Hornets/Clippers Second Round Draft Pick (via Hornets)


Nets get:
Kyle Kuzma
Pat Connaughton
2031 Unprotected Milwaukee Bucks First Round Draft Pick

Hornets get:
Kristaps Porzingis

Bucks get:
Cam Johnson
Collin Sexton

Kings get:
Tidjane Salaun
33rd Overall Draft Pick

Jazz get:
Jusuf Nurkic
2026 Lottery Protected Boston Celtics First Round Draft Pick (2027 Top 4 Protected or becomes Earlier of 2027 Trail Blazers/Pelicans Second Round Draft Pick and Earlier of 2028 Hornets/Clippers Second Round Draft Pick)

So essentially you lose the seconds if you keep the first or you lose the first and keep the seconds.

Re: No Giannis 5 Team Blockbuster - Celtics/Nets/Hornets/Bucks/Jazz - KP / Cam / Sexton

Posted: Sun Jun 1, 2025 4:12 am
by NYG
Just to fine-tune it... Bucks can trade their 2032 2nd this off-season, right?

Celtics get:
Right to Swap 2030 First Round Draft Picks with the Bucks
Earlier of 2027 Trail Blazers/Pelicans Second Round Draft Pick
Earlier of 2028 Hornets/Clippers Second Round Draft Pick

Nets get:
Kyle Kuzma
Tidjane Salaun
2031 Unprotected Milwaukee Bucks First Round Draft Pick

Hornets get:
Kristaps Porzingis

Bucks get:
Cam Johnson
Collin Sexton

Kings get:
Pat Connaughton
2029 Charlotte Hornets Second Round Draft Pick
2030 Charlotte Hornets Second Round Draft Pick
2031 Milwaukee Bucks Second Round Draft Pick
2032 Milwaukee Bucks Second Round Draft Pick

Jazz get:
Jusuf Nurkic
2026 Lottery Protected Boston Celtics First Round Draft Pick (2027 Top 4 Protected or becomes Earlier of 2027 Trail Blazers/Pelicans Second Round Draft Pick and Earlier of 2028 Hornets/Clippers Second Round Draft Pick)

Re: No Giannis 5 Team Blockbuster - Celtics/Nets/Hornets/Bucks/Jazz - KP / Cam / Sexton

Posted: Sun Jun 1, 2025 4:15 am
by JonHeist
easy yes for the bucks

Re: No Giannis 5 Team Blockbuster - Celtics/Nets/Hornets/Bucks/Jazz - KP / Cam / Sexton

Posted: Sun Jun 1, 2025 4:50 am
by Diop
I'm not interested in porzingis at Charlotte, I get he's a talent upgrade but we don't need another injury prone player. Charlotte front office want a patient rebuild and will take your trash for further picks though.

Re: No Giannis 5 Team Blockbuster - Celtics/Nets/Hornets/Bucks/Jazz - KP / Cam / Sexton

Posted: Sun Jun 1, 2025 5:02 am
by mg
Sure why not. I hope Giannis stays in Milwuakee for a few more years.

Re: No Giannis 5 Team Blockbuster - Celtics/Nets/Hornets/Bucks/Jazz - KP / Cam / Sexton

Posted: Sun Jun 1, 2025 5:32 am
by drchaos
I don't understand how the 2031 first round pick from either the Bucks or the Lakers should be weighed the same as a lottery pick now.

There is no guarantee that either team will be all that bad in 2030.

The Nets say no.

Re: No Giannis 5 Team Blockbuster - Celtics/Nets/Hornets/Bucks/Jazz - KP / Cam / Sexton

Posted: Sun Jun 1, 2025 5:43 am
by NYG
drchaos wrote:I don't understand how the 2031 first round pick from either the Bucks or the Lakers should be weighed the same as a lottery pick now.

There is no guarantee that either team will be all that bad in 2030.

The Nets say no.


Let's add another team then?

8, 27 and '31 Bucks 1st for 3

Re: No Giannis 5 Team Blockbuster - Celtics/Nets/Hornets/Bucks/Jazz - KP / Cam / Sexton

Posted: Sun Jun 1, 2025 12:07 pm
by drchaos
NYG wrote:
drchaos wrote:I don't understand how the 2031 first round pick from either the Bucks or the Lakers should be weighed the same as a lottery pick now.

There is no guarantee that either team will be all that bad in 2030.

The Nets say no.


Let's add another team then?

8, 27 and '31 Bucks 1st for 3


Sounds a lot better than the original deal.

Re: No Giannis 5 Team Blockbuster - Celtics/Nets/Hornets/Bucks/Jazz - KP / Cam / Sexton

Posted: Sun Jun 1, 2025 2:10 pm
by SkyHook
I don't see Utah moving Sexton in a deal where the only incentive might end up as two SRPs.

Re: No Giannis 5 Team Blockbuster - Celtics/Nets/Hornets/Bucks/Jazz - KP / Cam / Sexton

Posted: Sun Jun 1, 2025 5:02 pm
by HornetJail
Diop wrote:I'm not interested in porzingis at Charlotte, I get he's a talent upgrade but we don't need another injury prone player. Charlotte front office want a patient rebuild and will take your trash for further picks though.

that is straight silliness when the cost is just Nurkic+Okogie. Porzingis is a much better player and a much better fit (especially with the way Lee likes to play)

Re: No Giannis 5 Team Blockbuster - Celtics/Nets/Hornets/Bucks/Jazz - KP / Cam / Sexton

Posted: Mon Jun 2, 2025 1:42 am
by Diop
HornetJail wrote:
Diop wrote:I'm not interested in porzingis at Charlotte, I get he's a talent upgrade but we don't need another injury prone player. Charlotte front office want a patient rebuild and will take your trash for further picks though.

that is straight silliness when the cost is just Nurkic+Okogie. Porzingis is a much better player and a much better fit (especially with the way Lee likes to play)

So we can have another $30 million contract on the injury list for most of the year? Maybe inch closer to a play in team? He's 30 and on a different timeline than Charlotte, let him go to a contender

Front office want to use the expirings for future draft assets, they've said that.