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#3 (Ace Bailey) + Filler (Oubre? Drummond?)
For
#6 (Kon or Tre) + Bilal Coulibaly

The Wizards move up for a guy that they could sell their fans on as a building block. I'm not an Ace believer, but the potential is there, and desperate times call for desperate measures. Coulibaly is awesome, but not a guy you build around.

The Sixers slide back in the draft to get one of their guys (presumably this would be after making sure the guy they want is there). Love the idea of Coulibaly next to Maxey and/or McCain.

Not sold enough on the difference between Bailey and whoever we prefer at 6 to give up Coulibaly. Would give AJ Johnson, George, or Carrington, not Sarr or Coulibaly.

penbeast0 wrote:Not sold enough on the difference between Bailey and whoever we prefer at 6 to give up Coulibaly. Would give AJ Johnson, George, or Carrington, not Sarr or Coulibaly.

Bob Carrington is not needed on the 76ers due to the amount of Guards they have already on the roster. Far as for the other players you mention you would be willing to move in order to move up the 3rd pick for, they're simply not worth moving down multiple spots. Any conversations that the Wizards have with the 76ers far as moving up will start and end ether on Coulibaly,Sarr or a unprotected future 1st round pick.

So, #3 straight up for Coulibaly? The Wiz might take that. Coulibaly and 6 seems too high.

penbeast0 wrote:Not sold enough on the difference between Bailey and whoever we prefer at 6 to give up Coulibaly. Would give AJ Johnson, George, or Carrington, not Sarr or Coulibaly.

I get not wanting to give up Coulibaly, but those pieces don't move the needle, so probably not a deal here.

I could almost see this if it was #2 for #6 and Bilal because Harper looks to be in a tier of his own between Flagg and the rest of the draft class. I definitely wouldn’t consider it from the Wizards standpoint for #3. Bilal seems like the kind of prospect that would shine more on a good team because he does so many things really well, but doesn’t do any of them at an elite level yet. Considering he not even 21 yet, I wouldn’t give up on that and another high draft pick if the guy you’re receiving isn’t clearly in a tier above the pick you’re trading.

Ace Bailey has the highest bust potential out of the top 5 picks in this draft. Needless to say, the Wizards decline.

Would SA do Bilal and #6 (plus maybe #18) for #2?

Bilal and Wemby are good buddies, and Fox/Castle/Vassell makes a nice 3 man backcourt already

Wash builds around Harper/Sarr and keeps the full tank going

I think it is a reasonable offer if Washington is high on someone at 3. Just depends on both teams evaluations of Coulibaly and draft boards. IMO I think if Philly trades down they are likely looking more for a win now player coming back, will still get youth with the lower pick.

TGW wrote:Ace Bailey has the highest bust potential out of the top 5 picks in this draft. Needless to say, the Wizards decline.

He also has the most upside out of any in this class outside of Cooper Flagg. I get the Wizards not wanting to move Bilal Coulibaly just to move up 3 spots,but at the same time, the Wizards don't have other players on their roster outside of maybe Alex Sarr that's worth moving down for. I think any trade that involves the 76ers and Wizards swapping picks is going to have to involve the Wizards paying draft compensation.

I don't see the Wizards doing this. They'd have to have Ace Bailey rated as a can't miss prospect.

yeah the OP is reasonable if Washington loves a guy after the top 2 and wants to ensure they get him. The counter of asking for 3 for Coulibaly alone doesn't feel remotely reasonable.

facothomas22 wrote:

TGW wrote:Ace Bailey has the highest bust potential out of the top 5 picks in this draft. Needless to say, the Wizards decline.

He also has the most upside out of any in this class outside of Cooper Flagg. I get the Wizards not wanting to move Bilal Coulibaly just to move up 3 spots,but at the same time, the Wizards don't have other players on their roster outside of maybe Alex Sarr that's worth moving down for. I think any trade that involves the 76ers and Wizards swapping picks is going to have to involve the Wizards paying draft compensation.

I don't disagree with that premise, and I don't see the Wizards doing it, mostly because I don't think they're that entralled with Bailey to give up Sarr/Coulibally. On a side note, Wizards fans have been debating whether to take on PG for the right to move up those 3 spots. I think that's probably the only framework the two teams might agree on.

facothomas22 wrote:

TGW wrote:Ace Bailey has the highest bust potential out of the top 5 picks in this draft. Needless to say, the Wizards decline.

He also has the most upside out of any in this class outside of Cooper Flagg. I get the Wizards not wanting to move Bilal Coulibaly just to move up 3 spots,but at the same time, the Wizards don't have other players on their roster outside of maybe Alex Sarr that's worth moving down for. I think any trade that involves the 76ers and Wizards swapping picks is going to have to involve the Wizards paying draft compensation.

I don't agree that Bailey has the highest upside. He measured in close to average with small hands and below average athleticism. He had the worst advanced stats of almost all freshman in the first round. He had tunnel vision and played losing basketball at Rutgers this year. I would bet he's closer to MPJ than George on the NBA level.

I'm reasonably confident that Coulibaly will be a better pro than Bailey. Bailey has no handle and poor basketball awareness. Bilal is already averaging almost 4 assists per 36 minutes as a secondary ball handler. He even posted a triple double at age 20.

FWIW, Coulibaly is a half-inch taller than Bailey and has 3.5 inches more wingspan. He also has crazy hops:

Ben Simmons was an infinitely better defender and passer and was actually looking like he might become a star. Now he had medical issues that derailed him, but even before those set in his offensive limitations were setting him back.

Bilal isn't just a poor 3-pt shooter. He's one of the most negative perimeter offensive players in the league. He can't make shots outside of 3 feet basically at all. His a/t ratio is under 2 so he's not some valuable secondary creator.

I think its fine to say we see a lot and we think he can become a better offensive player. He's certainly young enough to. It's another to seriously suggest a team would give the 3rd pick in this draft for him with 2 years of rookie deal burned through with him having been this bad on offense.

Teams picking that high want more upside or more proven. He is neither of those things.

Texas Chuck wrote:Ben Simmons was an infinitely better defender and passer and was actually looking like he might become a star. Now he had medical issues that derailed him, but even before those set in his offensive limitations were setting him back.

Bilal isn't just a poor 3-pt shooter. He's one of the most negative perimeter offensive players in the league. He can't make shots outside of 3 feet basically at all. His a/t ratio is under 2 so he's not some valuable secondary creator.

I think its fine to say we see a lot and we think he can become a better offensive player. He's certainly young enough to. It's another to seriously suggest a team would give the 3rd pick in this draft for him with 2 years of rookie deal burned through with him having been this bad on offense.

Teams picking that high want more upside or more proven. He is neither of those things.

Comparing Coulibaly to Simmons is absurd. Coulibaly is a 75% FT shooter at age 20, and there's nothing wrong with his shooting form. His 3-ball will come around. Also, his midrange game showed dramatic improvement between his first and second seasons, going from 12.3% to 28.3% in the 10-16 foot range, and from 25% to 29.7% from the 16-22 feet range. (All of these are on low volume because he normally goes all the way to the rim where he is an elite finisher.)

I think you are forgetting that he is a 20-year old still growing into his body playing for a team that has nobody to draw any defensive attention. I think a much better comparison would be Jaylen Brown.

TGW wrote:

facothomas22 wrote:

TGW wrote:Ace Bailey has the highest bust potential out of the top 5 picks in this draft. Needless to say, the Wizards decline.

He also has the most upside out of any in this class outside of Cooper Flagg. I get the Wizards not wanting to move Bilal Coulibaly just to move up 3 spots,but at the same time, the Wizards don't have other players on their roster outside of maybe Alex Sarr that's worth moving down for. I think any trade that involves the 76ers and Wizards swapping picks is going to have to involve the Wizards paying draft compensation.

I don't disagree with that premise, and I don't see the Wizards doing it, mostly because I don't think they're that entralled with Bailey to give up Sarr/Coulibally. On a side note, Wizards fans have been debating whether to take on PG for the right to move up those 3 spots. I think that's probably the only framework the two teams might agree on.

The Sixers trading down to get worse is a non-starter as well.

The Hawks traded 8, 17, 35, and a future 1st for 4 just 6 years ago.

So if the Wiz want to do 6, 18, and a future 1st that would be acceptable.

nate33 wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:Ben Simmons was an infinitely better defender and passer and was actually looking like he might become a star. Now he had medical issues that derailed him, but even before those set in his offensive limitations were setting him back.

Bilal isn't just a poor 3-pt shooter. He's one of the most negative perimeter offensive players in the league. He can't make shots outside of 3 feet basically at all. His a/t ratio is under 2 so he's not some valuable secondary creator.

I think its fine to say we see a lot and we think he can become a better offensive player. He's certainly young enough to. It's another to seriously suggest a team would give the 3rd pick in this draft for him with 2 years of rookie deal burned through with him having been this bad on offense.

Teams picking that high want more upside or more proven. He is neither of those things.

Comparing Coulibaly to Simmons is absurd. Coulibaly is a 75% FT shooter at age 20, and there's nothing wrong with his shooting form. His 3-ball will come around. Also, his midrange game showed dramatic improvement between his first and second seasons, going from 12.3% to 28.3% in the 10-16 foot range, and from 25% to 29.7% from the 16-22 feet range. (All of these are on low volume because he normally goes all the way to the rim where he is an elite finisher.)

I think you are forgetting that he is a 20-year old still growing into his body playing for a team that has nobody to draw any defensive attention. I think a much better comparison would be Jaylen Brown.

You do realize those numbers he "improved" to are still terrible right? And he only takes 1/4 of his shots at the rim. So normally he doesn't go all the way to the rim and 75% at the rim is not elite.

Jaylen Brown was nearly a 40% midrange shooter and was a 40% 3 pt shooter by year 2.

and yes I said he could improve. But I don't see a single team who would trade pick 3 in this draft betting on that. There are prospects with much clearer paths to success than him. He needs worlds of improvement offensively.

Again, believe in your guy. I wish Dallas had young players I could believe in. Hopefully Flagg will be one. Hopefully Lively bounces back after a very disappointing 2nd season. But the counter made was him alone for 3. That feels just way off in terms of value.

Texas Chuck wrote:

nate33 wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:Ben Simmons was an infinitely better defender and passer and was actually looking like he might become a star. Now he had medical issues that derailed him, but even before those set in his offensive limitations were setting him back.

Bilal isn't just a poor 3-pt shooter. He's one of the most negative perimeter offensive players in the league. He can't make shots outside of 3 feet basically at all. His a/t ratio is under 2 so he's not some valuable secondary creator.

I think its fine to say we see a lot and we think he can become a better offensive player. He's certainly young enough to. It's another to seriously suggest a team would give the 3rd pick in this draft for him with 2 years of rookie deal burned through with him having been this bad on offense.

Teams picking that high want more upside or more proven. He is neither of those things.

Comparing Coulibaly to Simmons is absurd. Coulibaly is a 75% FT shooter at age 20, and there's nothing wrong with his shooting form. His 3-ball will come around. Also, his midrange game showed dramatic improvement between his first and second seasons, going from 12.3% to 28.3% in the 10-16 foot range, and from 25% to 29.7% from the 16-22 feet range. (All of these are on low volume because he normally goes all the way to the rim where he is an elite finisher.)

I think you are forgetting that he is a 20-year old still growing into his body playing for a team that has nobody to draw any defensive attention. I think a much better comparison would be Jaylen Brown.

You do realize those numbers he "improved" to are still terrible right? And he only takes 1/4 of his shots at the rim. So normally he doesn't go all the way to the rim and 75% at the rim is not elite.

Jaylen Brown was nearly a 40% midrange shooter and was a 40% 3 pt shooter by year 2.

and yes I said he could improve. But I don't see a single team who would trade pick 3 in this draft betting on that. There are prospects with much clearer paths to success than him. He needs worlds of improvement offensively.

Again, believe in your guy. I wish Dallas had young players I could believe in. Hopefully Flagg will be one. Hopefully Lively bounces back after a very disappointing 2nd season. But the counter made was him alone for 3. That feels just way off in terms of value.

Bilal at Year 2 is the same age as rookie Jaylen Brown.