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#2 for #6/Bilal?

Spurs add their longterm 3 man a (and Wemby friend). At #6 the take Malauch
Fox/Castle
Vassell/Castle
Bilal/Johnson
Sochan/Barnes
Wemby/Malauch
With #14 to still play with

Wash builds around Harper/Sarr
They have #18, Carrington, George, Johnson, Champaigne, Krispert as other young pieces
With a top 5 2026 pick (which looks loaded at the top) coming and TONS of cap space, they could have an interesting team soon.

I mean Coulibaly just doesn't have this kind of value. Oh I get Washington fans love him and he defends okay, but his offense is just horrific. And wings with no offense typically don't hold this kind of value. I don't have the Spurs considering this for even a second.

This is valuing Bilal like a pick around 5/6 if Harper is really on a tier of his own at 2. I don't think he returns a pick in the top 10 of this draft.

WSH: #6, #18, 2029 1st (2nd best of 3), Bilal Coulibaly for #2
SAS: #2 for #6, #18, 2029 1st (2nd best of 3), Bilal Coulibaly

If you believe Harper is a franchise caliber player like many do, then a bunch of lesser picks isn't going to do this. If you don't believe that, then sure, you'd entertain offers like these. I wouldn't though.

I think this is about fair. I don't think I'd do it from Washington's standpoint, but other Washington fans might.

Bilal is a real talent. 6-7 with a 7-3 wingspan and the agility of a guard. Yeah, his 3-ball hasn't come around yet, but he is more than just a defensive guy. Look at his assist rate, which is very impressive for a non-primary ball handler who is just 20 years old. The kid is going to be real good. I'd bet he ends up being at least a Mikal Bridges tier player if not an All-Star.

He is honestly the only guy on the Wizards who I believe has All-Star upside. I'd trade Sarr + #6 for Harper before I traded Bilal + #6.

nate33 wrote:I think this is about fair. I don't think I'd do it from Washington's standpoint, but other Washington fans might.

Bilal is a real talent. 6-7 with a 7-3 wingspan and the agility of a guard. Yeah, his 3-ball hasn't come around yet, but he is more than just a defensive guy. Look at his assist rate, which is very impressive for a non-primary ball handler who is just 20 years old. The kid is going to be real good. I'd bet he ends up being at least a Mikal Bridges tier player if not an All-Star.

He is honestly the only guy on the Wizards who I believe has All-Star upside. I'd trade Sarr + #6 for Harper before I traded Bilal + #6.

That's kind of the problem though, you're looking to trade guys who don't have all star upside for one who does. Why would Spurs do that?

pipfan wrote:#2 for #6/Bilal?

Spurs add their longterm 3 man a (and Wemby friend). At #6 the take Malauch
Fox/Castle
Vassell/Castle
Bilal/Johnson
Sochan/Barnes
Wemby/Malauch
With #14 to still play with

Wash builds around Harper/Sarr
They have #18, Carrington, George, Johnson, Champaigne, Krispert as other young pieces
With a top 5 2026 pick (which looks loaded at the top) coming and TONS of cap space, they could have an interesting team soon.

Two quarters don't make a dollar...

ReggiesKnicks wrote:WSH: #6, #18, 2029 1st (2nd best of 3), Bilal Coulibaly for #2
SAS: #2 for #6, #18, 2029 1st (2nd best of 3), Bilal Coulibaly

Four quarters do, but I still don't think SAS does it. I think they'd rather stay consolidated in Harper.

wemby wrote:

nate33 wrote:I think this is about fair. I don't think I'd do it from Washington's standpoint, but other Washington fans might.

Bilal is a real talent. 6-7 with a 7-3 wingspan and the agility of a guard. Yeah, his 3-ball hasn't come around yet, but he is more than just a defensive guy. Look at his assist rate, which is very impressive for a non-primary ball handler who is just 20 years old. The kid is going to be real good. I'd bet he ends up being at least a Mikal Bridges tier player if not an All-Star.

He is honestly the only guy on the Wizards who I believe has All-Star upside. I'd trade Sarr + #6 for Harper before I traded Bilal + #6.

That's kind of the problem though, you're looking to trade guys who don't have all star upside for one who does. Why would Spurs do that?

Because the Spurs already have two ball-handling guards and they need more defensive wings. And you are still getting back the #6 which will land you another key piece.

I'm not saying it's a no-brainer for the Spurs or anything. But Harper isn't a sure thing to be a star so the Spurs can't just expect to get an established star SF in return based on the projected best-case scenario of Harper. Teams don't give away young star SFs. You will only get a guy that hopefully projects to be a star - particularly if you are still getting back the #6 pick.

If you don't like the return in this deal, fine. But from the Wizards perspective, I definitely wouldn't include any more than this and I probably wouldn't do it as is. You can go shop Harper elsewhere. Good luck to you.

nate33 wrote:Because the Spurs already have two ball-handling guards and they need more defensive wings. And you are still getting back the #6 which will land you another key piece.

I'm not saying it's a no-brainer for the Spurs or anything. But Harper isn't a sure thing to be a star so the Spurs can't just expect to get an established star SF in return based on the projected best-case scenario of Harper. Teams don't give away young star SFs. You will only get a guy that hopefully projects to be a star - particularly if you are still getting back the #6 pick.

If you don't like the return in this deal, fine. But from the Wizards perspective, I definitely wouldn't include any more than this and I probably wouldn't do it as is. You can go shop Harper elsewhere. Good luck to you.

For starters, Spurs aren't shopping Harper so they don't have to shop anything anywhere.

As for the much talked about logjam, Castle can play on ball and off ball, and we still don't know who the best of the bunch will be. Say a year from now Harper is better than Castle and Fox, and Spurs traded him for Coulibaly, who you might like but has proven nothing so far.

But the main thing is:
If Harper or Castle don't develop as expected, then you don't have a logjam in the first place.
if Harper and Castle end up high end point guards, then you do have a logjam, but one that will get you a much better return than this.

In none of the scenarios Spurs should move him for a lesser prospect at 6 and a project the caliber of whom they can land with their own pick at 14 (like, say, Carter Bryant, or whomever). I

wemby wrote:

nate33 wrote:Because the Spurs already have two ball-handling guards and they need more defensive wings. And you are still getting back the #6 which will land you another key piece.

I'm not saying it's a no-brainer for the Spurs or anything. But Harper isn't a sure thing to be a star so the Spurs can't just expect to get an established star SF in return based on the projected best-case scenario of Harper. Teams don't give away young star SFs. You will only get a guy that hopefully projects to be a star - particularly if you are still getting back the #6 pick.

If you don't like the return in this deal, fine. But from the Wizards perspective, I definitely wouldn't include any more than this and I probably wouldn't do it as is. You can go shop Harper elsewhere. Good luck to you.

For starters, Spurs aren't shopping Harper so they don't have to shop anything anywhere.

As for the much talked about logjam, Castle can play on ball and off ball, and we still don't know who the best of the bunch will be. Say a year from now Harper is better than Castle and Fox, and Spurs traded him for Coulibaly, who you might like but has proven nothing so far.

But the main thing is:
If Harper or Castle don't develop as expected, then you don't have a logjam in the first place.
if Harper and Castle end up high end point guards, then you do have a logjam, but one that will get you a much better return than this.

In none of the scenarios Spurs should move him for a lesser prospect at 6 and a project the caliber of whom they can land with their own pick at 14 (like, say, Carter Bryant, or whomever). I

Fine. Then we are in agreement. Neither of us like the trade.

None of the Wiz young guys are worth this jump, Bilal, Bud, George, not even Sarr

How about if the Bulls are added?

Wash sends #6/Bilal to SA and Holmes/#18 to Chi
Wash gets #2, #14, PWill

SA sends #2 to Wash and #14 to Wash
SA gets Bilal, #12, #6, Port pick

Chi sends PWill to Wash and #12/Port pick to SA
Chi gets Holmes/#18

Wash takes on PWill, but maybe they can get something out of him. The move up from 18 to 14 and from 6-2

SA moves back to #6 but moves up to #12 from 14, adds the Port pick for the future and gets a young stud wing

Chi moves back 6 spots and deals the Port pick to dump PWill. At #18 one of Fleming/Newell/Sorber will be there. Holmes is harmless expiring (Bulls are looking to trade Vuc)

pipfan wrote:How about if the Bulls are added?

Wash sends #6/Bilal to SA and Holmes/#18 to Chi
Wash gets #2, #14, PWill

SA sends #2 to Wash and #14 to Wash
SA gets Bilal, #12, #6, Port pick

Chi sends PWill to Wash and #12/Port pick to SA
Chi gets Holmes/#18

Wash takes on PWill, but maybe they can get something out of him. The move up from 18 to 14 and from 6-2

SA moves back to #6 but moves up to #12 from 14, adds the Port pick for the future and gets a young stud wing

Chi moves back 6 spots and deals the Port pick to dump PWill. At #18 one of Fleming/Newell/Sorber will be there. Holmes is harmless expiring (Bulls are looking to trade Vuc)

The Wizards aren't paying $72M to move up from #18 to #12.

pipfan wrote:#2 for #6/Bilal?

Spurs add their longterm 3 man a (and Wemby friend). At #6 the take Malauch
Fox/Castle
Vassell/Castle
Bilal/Johnson
Sochan/Barnes
Wemby/Malauch
With #14 to still play with

Wash builds around Harper/Sarr
They have #18, Carrington, George, Johnson, Champaigne, Krispert as other young pieces
With a top 5 2026 pick (which looks loaded at the top) coming and TONS of cap space, they could have an interesting team soon.

Horrible for the Spurs. They're not trading the #2 pick. They only sort of trade it makes sense to move the #2 in is a trade that gives them a young star, e.g. the 25 year old version of Jaylen Brown. That would be about fair.

nate33 wrote:

pipfan wrote:How about if the Bulls are added?

Wash sends #6/Bilal to SA and Holmes/#18 to Chi
Wash gets #2, #14, PWill

SA sends #2 to Wash and #14 to Wash
SA gets Bilal, #12, #6, Port pick

Chi sends PWill to Wash and #12/Port pick to SA
Chi gets Holmes/#18

Wash takes on PWill, but maybe they can get something out of him. The move up from 18 to 14 and from 6-2

SA moves back to #6 but moves up to #12 from 14, adds the Port pick for the future and gets a young stud wing

Chi moves back 6 spots and deals the Port pick to dump PWill. At #18 one of Fleming/Newell/Sorber will be there. Holmes is harmless expiring (Bulls are looking to trade Vuc)

The Wizards aren't paying $72M to move up from #18 to #12.

I see your point, but it's to help balance the trade for SA. SA moves up to #12 from 14 (a little boost) and adds the Port pick. So now SA ends up with #6, #12, Port pick, Bilal for #2 and #14-I think that makes sense for them-ESPECIALLY with Fox and Castle around

For the Wizards, they move from 18 to 14, but this also helps them secure Harper. PWill is a very negative contract, but he's still young and has been ok in the past. Wash can hope he becomes ok again, but Harper is worth the pain for them, I think