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DAL receives: KD + McBride + 1 FRP from NY 26 FRP from WAS (top 8 protected) + 29 FRP PHX (swap-worst)
NY receives: AD + Omax
PHX receives: KAT

DAL does the 2 timeline thing. Compete now, remain flexible and collect picks. McBride becomes the stopgap PG who also can play with Kyrie since he's a good defender. This team just fits better with Flagg while still accomplishing ownership and Nico's vision of competing now.

NY replaces KAT for a 2 way star in AD since they can't afford to have a negative defender with Brunson as seen by this recent series. The good news is that NY has the best medical staff to keep street clothes on the court. Replace KAT with a healthy AD and that team would have beat the Pacers.

PHX gets a star that is very good friends with their franchise guy in Booker. Keeps him happy and gets something good for KD before he leaves for nothing.

I have AD decently more valuable than KAT, certainly by more than a 1st round pick that will never convey.

Mavs would only want to get KD to pair with Kyrie and AD and compete for a title. No point in trading for KD to be a middle of the pack team

In term of trade value, AD>>KD, McBride is far not enough for the gap. The WAS protected first has no value as it is lottery protected, the pick swap with 2029 PHX first also has very little value, with so many teams in the mix to have the rights to swap that pick already.

Thanks for the feedback folks. I don't disagree with any of the comments. Honestly the draft availability of both PHX and NY is confusing since picks and swaps are owed everywhere.

Would love to hear what PHX and NY fans think. In particular what additional they may be willing to part with to make this more equitable.

I think Towns for AD is interesting, Davis is less durable and unable to carry the offense when Brunson rests the way Towns does, but much better defensively when he does actually play. Not sure I'd give up McBride to make it happen, even if I was confident that our medical staff could keep AD on the court a lot more than he has been in recent years.

cgf wrote:I think Towns for AD is interesting, Davis is less durable and unable to carry the offense when Brunson rests the way Towns does, but much better defensively when he does actually play. Not sure I'd give up McBride to make it happen, even if I was confident that our medical staff could keep AD on the court a lot more than he has been in recent years.

Upside is worth it as AD is the unquestionably better player, though availability is obv the big concern. Still, cant see the Mavs doing it as defense wins championships, and theyre gonna want extra that the Knicks cant afford. I think the difference they paid from Randle to KAT is what they would need to pay (DDV+1st), but they really cant

If this is the price for AD, why doesn't Phoenix just cut out NY alltogether?

KD + #29 + 2027 (after swaps) + 2029 (after swaps).

The 2026 pick you included is most likely going to be two second rounders, assuming Washington is going to be a bottom 8 team this season.

I guess Phoenix would need to move below the second apron first, so maybe Grayson Allen for a handful of second rounders which could be included to sweeten the deal.

AD's defense would fit a lot better with Phoenix's current team than KAT.

I don’t see it for the Mavs at all.

mademan wrote:

cgf wrote:I think Towns for AD is interesting, Davis is less durable and unable to carry the offense when Brunson rests the way Towns does, but much better defensively when he does actually play. Not sure I'd give up McBride to make it happen, even if I was confident that our medical staff could keep AD on the court a lot more than he has been in recent years.

Upside is worth it as AD is the unquestionably better player, though availability is obv the big concern. Still, cant see the Mavs doing it as defense wins championships, and theyre gonna want extra that the Knicks cant afford. I think the difference they paid from Randle to KAT is what they would need to pay (DDV+1st), but they really cant

I'd be just as bummed to lose McBride as I was DDV. Donte gave us more volume shooting, but he wasn't the defender McBride is...nevermind the bargain contract Deuce is on...that said, the WSH FRP isn't nearly as valuable as the DET FRP, which I argued all of last season, was the juiciest pick we had to trade.

cgf wrote:

mademan wrote:

cgf wrote:I think Towns for AD is interesting, Davis is less durable and unable to carry the offense when Brunson rests the way Towns does, but much better defensively when he does actually play. Not sure I'd give up McBride to make it happen, even if I was confident that our medical staff could keep AD on the court a lot more than he has been in recent years.

Upside is worth it as AD is the unquestionably better player, though availability is obv the big concern. Still, cant see the Mavs doing it as defense wins championships, and theyre gonna want extra that the Knicks cant afford. I think the difference they paid from Randle to KAT is what they would need to pay (DDV+1st), but they really cant

I'd be just as bummed to lose McBride as I was DDV. Donte gave us more volume shooting, but he wasn't the defender McBride is...nevermind the bargain contract Deuce is on...that said, the WSH FRP isn't nearly as valuable as the DET FRP, which I argued all of last season, was the juiciest pick we had to trade.

I dunno about Mcbride, but, ultimately, the Mavs would decline. No team that wants to win a title will look at KAT as a title piece. Your C just cant be a defensive weakness if he's not a all-time level offensive player (like Jokic), and Jokic is a legit smart defender, at least.

I really do want AD gone so open to hear whatever offer is out there. The goal should be picks and/or a young-ish guard.

mademan wrote:

cgf wrote:

mademan wrote:
Upside is worth it as AD is the unquestionably better player, though availability is obv the big concern. Still, cant see the Mavs doing it as defense wins championships, and theyre gonna want extra that the Knicks cant afford. I think the difference they paid from Randle to KAT is what they would need to pay (DDV+1st), but they really cant

I'd be just as bummed to lose McBride as I was DDV. Donte gave us more volume shooting, but he wasn't the defender McBride is...nevermind the bargain contract Deuce is on...that said, the WSH FRP isn't nearly as valuable as the DET FRP, which I argued all of last season, was the juiciest pick we had to trade.

I dunno about Mcbride, but, ultimately, the Mavs would decline. No team that wants to win a title will look at KAT as a title piece. Your C just cant be a defensive weakness if he's not a all-time level offensive player (like Jokic), and Jokic is a legit smart defender, at least.

I dunno if I'd go that far. If we hit our FTs in game 1 we'd still be playing with Towns in a key role...despite limited depth & chemistry. And that's without this defeat causing any soul searching that gets Karl to lock in better next year.

But I'm pretty happy with Karl in general, so may just rate him differently from you. Like I'm not convinced that AD makes us all that much better than KAT because he can't take over offensively the way Karl can, despite his massive defensive advantage.

I just want someone like Bitadze to hedge against Mitch getting hurt & give us 48 minutes of quality rim protection when he's not...though I wouldn't complain about also turning Dadiet + some SRPs into Jarace Walker if Indy has to shed salary ...maybe Hukporti gets there, but I don't like banking on that happening by next season. If we could grab that iHart replacement, I'd love our chances heading into next season with:

Brunson - Bridges - Anunoby - Towns - Robinson
McBride - Shamet - Hart - *Bitadze*
Kolek - McCullar - Dadiet - Hukporti

I can’t understand KD to Dallas if AD isn’t there. So think the OP is flawed. KD should not want to come and Dallas shouldn’t want him at that point.

If NY could/would add.. it makes sense for them to upgrade KAT. I don’t really want to end up with KAT anyways, but NYK would have to add a good amount.

OP logic makes sense, just really don’t see it working for Dallas or KD.

jayjaysee wrote:I can’t understand KD to Dallas if AD isn’t there. So think the OP is flawed. KD should not want to come and Dallas shouldn’t want him at that point.

If NY could/would add.. it makes sense for them to upgrade KAT. I don’t really want to end up with KAT anyways, but NYK would have to add a good amount.

OP logic makes sense, just really don’t see it working for Dallas or KD.

I'm pretty much here. KD coming to Dallas would be to play with AD(and Kyrie). Neither side should have interest if it takes moving AD to get him.

I know cgf always believes in his Knicks and Towns had a good year for them. My question is how much of the noise after the series with the Pacers is real about multiple Knicks players(and obviously this would mean Thibs as well) being over how many defensive assignments he was still missing after being with the team for a year.

If that's real, I'd think they'd love to move him for a guy like AD. Or if they feel they need the offense, just move him for KD though apron issues make that a bit trickier.

I know Brunson publicly went to bat for him, but that's Jalen Brunson he's always going to say the right things.

KD

for

Klay
PJ
Martin
Lively
Lakers 1st

Hook_Em wrote:KD

for

Klay
PJ
Martin
Lively
Lakers 1st

Dallas’ lottery luck means the deal needs to look more like…

Gafford, PJ, Klay, Hardy, LAL first to Phoenix

Martin to any team willing to use a TPE/MLE on him

KD to Dallas


Dallas needs to send out enough salary to backfill the roster under the second apron. Likely need to follow that deal up with replacing Powell with two vet mins

Or just not trade for someone that involves aggregating and then stay over the second apron for a year if they want.

Doesn’t quite go with the OP but..

Gafford, PJ, Klay, Hardy, 2029 worst of Utah/Minn/Cleveland, 2029 LAL first to NYK
KD to Dallas
KAT to Phoenix
Martin to Sac or Det or someone

Same reasons as the OP, just Dallas actually goes for being a contender? And NYK goes for depth and trusting Bridges/OG to do more.

jayjaysee wrote:

Hook_Em wrote:KD

for

Klay
PJ
Martin
Lively
Lakers 1st

Dallas’ lottery luck means the deal needs to look more like…

Gafford, PJ, Klay, Hardy, LAL first to Phoenix

Martin to any team willing to use a TPE/MLE on him

KD to Dallas


Dallas needs to send out enough salary to backfill the roster under the second apron. Likely need to follow that deal up with replacing Powell with two vet mins

Or just not trade for someone that involves aggregating and then stay over the second apron for a year if they want.

What does lotto luck have to do with anything? Lively is the centerpiece in a KD deal. I was trying not to completely gut Dallas of their role players.

Kyrie (when he comes back)
Christie
Flagg
KD
AD
-
Williams
Nnaji
Martin
Powell
Gafford

Hook_Em wrote:What does lotto luck have to do with anything? Lively is the centerpiece in a KD deal. I was trying not to completely gut Dallas of their role players.

Kyrie (when he comes back)
Christie
Flagg
KD
AD
-
Williams
Nnaji
Martin
Powell
Gafford

Mavs should pass if PHX insists on Lively, I'm not giving him up for an expiring and soon to be 37 years old KD to build the most fragile big3 of all time, especially after drafting Flagg.
PJ/Gaff/Klay/Marshall/Prosper/2029 LAL 1st is the only deal that makes sense for Dallas, and I sincerly hope they get outbidded by MIN/HOU/SAS cause I hate this kind of direction for them.
At least it's a better plan than trading everything for Giannis.