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BKN Out: #19, #27, Cameron Johnson, 2nd best of 2029 1st (NYK, BKN, Mix)
BKN In: #7, Cole Anthony

NOP Out: #7, C.J. McCollum
NOP In: #14, #19, #25, Anthony Black, Keldon Johnson, Johnathan Isaac, 2nd best of 2029 1st (NYK, BKN, Mix)

ORL Out: #25, Anthony Black, Johnathan Isaac, Cole Anthony
ORL In: C.J. McCollum

SAS Out: Keldon Johnson, #14
SAS In: Cameron Johnson, #27

Brooklyn moves way up in the draft to get more talent.
New Orleans tries to play wack-a-mole as they fill in a lot of roster holes.
Orlando adds a good offensive combo guard and clear some salary in 2026-2027.
Spurs add a good starting wing while moving down in the draft.

Orlando laughs and blocks everyone involved.

Why is a 34 yr. old expiring that has missed 42 games in his last two seasons being valued as a positive contract?

Serious question.

Spurs probably do this, but I'd wait until I'm on the clock if I'm them, just in case you find some unexpected value available at 14.

Also, I feel like this might be too rich for the Pelicans and nowhere near enough for the Magic.

Orlando is not sending Black for a 1-year rental.

wemby wrote:Spurs probably do this, but I'd wait until I'm on the clock if I'm them, just in case you find some unexpected value available at 14.

Well they couldn't because pick 7 is in the deal....

If the Magic are giving up value for non all star level Guards, it for guards will be making less than 25 million dollars next year.CJ McCollum does not fit that bill. Everything else looks fine, but the whole trade falls aparts with the Magic.

Texas Chuck wrote:

wemby wrote:Spurs probably do this, but I'd wait until I'm on the clock if I'm them, just in case you find some unexpected value available at 14.

Well they couldn't because pick 7 is in the deal....

This deal is strictlly between Spurs and Nets:
SAS Out: Keldon Johnson, #14
SAS In: Cameron Johnson, #27
I get that the Nets then send 14 to the Pelicans, but I guess otherwise they could just send Cam Johnson there instead of Keldon + 14

Edit: To be honest, this feels like Spurs shouldn't be included, as the Nets are making a decision for the Pelicans (sending them Keldon + 14 instead of Cam Johnson + 27, which they could have done). The Spurs addition feels like an addendum that should be the Pelicans prerogative.

wemby wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:

wemby wrote:Spurs probably do this, but I'd wait until I'm on the clock if I'm them, just in case you find some unexpected value available at 14.

Well they couldn't because pick 7 is in the deal....

This deal is between Spurs and Nets:
SAS Out: Keldon Johnson, #14
SAS In: Cameron Johnson, #27
I get that the Nets then send 14 to the Pelicans, but I guess otherwise they could just send Cam Johnson there instead of Keldon + 14

the Nets are trying to get up to 7 and need that pick, so no the Spurs don't get to wait. You would have to say yay or nay before 14.

Not arguing the merits of the trade with you, simply the timing.

Texas Chuck wrote:

wemby wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:
Well they couldn't because pick 7 is in the deal....

This deal is between Spurs and Nets:
SAS Out: Keldon Johnson, #14
SAS In: Cameron Johnson, #27
I get that the Nets then send 14 to the Pelicans, but I guess otherwise they could just send Cam Johnson there instead of Keldon + 14

the Nets are trying to get up to 7 and need that pick, so no the Spurs don't get to wait. You would have to say yay or nay before 14.

Not arguing the merits of the trade with you, simply the timing.

Nets are buying 14 + Keldon from the Spurs for the Pelicans, when they don't know if the Pelicans prefer Cam Johnson + 27.

This is two trades:
1) everything but Spurs
2) Pelicans re-route Cam + 27 to the Spurs for Keldon + 14.

Haven't checked the salaries, but it should work or close.

wemby wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:

wemby wrote:This deal is between Spurs and Nets:
SAS Out: Keldon Johnson, #14
SAS In: Cameron Johnson, #27
I get that the Nets then send 14 to the Pelicans, but I guess otherwise they could just send Cam Johnson there instead of Keldon + 14

the Nets are trying to get up to 7 and need that pick, so no the Spurs don't get to wait. You would have to say yay or nay before 14.

Not arguing the merits of the trade with you, simply the timing.

Nets are buying 14 + Keldon from the Spurs for the Pelicans, when they don't know if the Pelicans prefer Cam Johnson + 27.

This is two trades:
1) everything but Spurs
2) Pelicans re-route Cam + 27 to the Spurs for Keldon + 14.

Haven't checked the salaries, but it should work or close.

Yes, but the Pels have to accept the offer by pick 7. I disagree with a premise that says they will agree to this trade allowing the Spurs to decide if they get Keldon/14 or Cam. Those are very different returns and they are unlikely to value them the same.

So the latest this trade could be agreed to is pick 7. This deal is not just the Spurs portion. And the other portion comes due first.

ITs not all about San Antonio's wishes. They are free to decline of course if they believe they can do better with their stuff, but they can't decide after pick 7.

Texas Chuck wrote:

wemby wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:
the Nets are trying to get up to 7 and need that pick, so no the Spurs don't get to wait. You would have to say yay or nay before 14.

Not arguing the merits of the trade with you, simply the timing.

Nets are buying 14 + Keldon from the Spurs for the Pelicans, when they don't know if the Pelicans prefer Cam Johnson + 27.

This is two trades:
1) everything but Spurs
2) Pelicans re-route Cam + 27 to the Spurs for Keldon + 14.

Haven't checked the salaries, but it should work or close.

Yes, but the Pels have to accept the offer by pick 7. I disagree with a premise that says they will agree to this trade allowing the Spurs to decide if they get Keldon/14 or Cam. Those are very different returns and they are unlikely to value them the same.

So the latest this trade could be agreed to is pick 7. This deal is not just the Spurs portion. And the other portion comes due first.

ITs not all about San Antonio's wishes. They are free to decline of course if they believe they can do better with their stuff, but they can't decide after pick 7.

Pelicans can agree to everything whenever they want, the only part that would have to wait is Cam + 27 for Keldon + 14, if Spurs say no they just keep Cam + 27 which may actually be better value or be taken by Hawks at 13, Thunder at 15, Magic at 16 (replace Keldon with salary matching). In fact that is probably in the Pelicans best interest more so than the Spurs.


TRADE 1 (must happen before 7)
BKN Out: #19, #27, Cameron Johnson, 2nd best of 2029 1st (NYK, BKN, Mix)
BKN In: #7, Cole Anthony

NOP Out: #7, C.J. McCollum
NOP In: #19, #25, #27, Anthony Black, Cameron Johnson, Johnathan Isaac, 2nd best of 2029 1st (NYK, BKN, Mix)

ORL Out: #25, Anthony Black, Johnathan Isaac, Cole Anthony
ORL In: C.J. McCollum

TRADE 2 (can wait until 14, can be with a different team than the Spurs)
NOP Out / SAS In: Cameron Johnson, #27
NOP Int / SAS Out: Keldon Johnson, #14

Love this from the Spurs perspective. Not sure why Orlando does this unless they are in love with CJ, I think this is poor value for what they're sending out. Not terrible for BKN if they are dead set on moving into the top 10. Pelicans get pretty good value for 7 and CJ, but it depends on how deep they view this draft. I just don't see the Magic agreeing to this

As particular as you are in every Spurs trade, I do not believe you would ever agree to a deal where another team determined which of two significantly different packages you would get in return, regardless of value.

Here you are saying the Pelicans would allow the Spurs to decide for them a major portion of the return for pick 7. I strongly disagree another team is ever going to agree to that just because it would be cool for our favorite team.

Orlando can get sexton or Simons for less than this. I would remove black

Texas Chuck wrote:As particular as you are in every Spurs trade, I do not believe you would ever agree to a deal where another team determined which of two significantly different packages you would get in return, regardless of value.

Here you are saying the Pelicans would allow the Spurs to decide for them a major portion of the return for pick 7. I strongly disagree another team is ever going to agree to that just because it would be cool for our favorite team.

The packages are not significantly different, the only difference is in one of them (on top of everything else) the Pelicans get Cam Johnson + 27, while in the other they get Keldon + 14. If I were the Pelicans, in fact I myself would insist in decoupling these trades as I might no longer have interest in the 2nd one come pick 14 (maybe your preferred target got taken, maybe you get a better offer). You have such a biased perception of everything I post that no matter how detailed and logical the explanation your conclusion is always set. I'm not that important, really.

Those two packages ARE significantly different, though. If it was a difference of future 1sts, or an added late pick, but the same player, sure. But there's a significant difference when it is a different player and a later pick. Regardless of whether the value might be close at all, they're significantly different as a package, and there's no way S.A. gets to dictate the terms there, other than a yes or no.

wemby wrote:. You have such a biased perception of everything I post that no matter how detailed and logical the explanation your conclusion is always set. I'm not that important, really.

What an absolute cop out.

The discussion started with you making the statement the Spurs would wait to pick 14. I correctly point out tehy can't because a higher pick is in the deal.

Your solve for that mistake is to suggest the Pels should be happy with either package and let the Spurs choose. When I point out a team is never doing that, you change it to well they should like the deal without the Spurs in it. Which would be fine, except you are still allowing the Spurs to jump in if the Spurs like who is at 14. And if you aren't then you should have simply conceded my original point.

None of this is some bias against you. When you post something like this though I will point out how it doesn't make any sense. I know you don't like any pushback, but again thats a you issue, not a me issue. I push back against all kinds of crazy posts from posters who are not you.

The issue isn't you posted it. The issue is what was posted. That the Spurs could dictate the trade at 14 when pick 7 is in the deal. You were wrong. And can't just acknowledge it. If you had nbd, we are done. But nah....

wemby wrote:Edit: To be honest, this feels like Spurs shouldn't be included, as the Nets are making a decision for the Pelicans (sending them Keldon + 14 instead of Cam Johnson + 27, which they could have done). The Spurs addition feels like an addendum that should be the Pelicans prerogative.

I see you came back and edited this in. I marked it for you otherwise our back and forth looks ridiculous and when one changes a post significantly later, we need to mark it as such.

This could have stopped the whole argument lol. So glad you added it.

Texas Chuck wrote:

wemby wrote:Edit: To be honest, this feels like Spurs shouldn't be included, as the Nets are making a decision for the Pelicans (sending them Keldon + 14 instead of Cam Johnson + 27, which they could have done). The Spurs addition feels like an addendum that should be the Pelicans prerogative.

I see you came back and edited this in. I marked it for you otherwise our back and forth looks ridiculous and when one changes a post significantly later, we need to mark it as such.

This could have stopped the whole argument lol. So glad you added it.

I made that edition at the moment, or moments later. I didn't come back to add it.

EDIT: My next post to that one says basically the same, so you can see that information was always available, and you can read in various places that this isn't just about the Spurs, it's about a more sensible framework

wemby wrote:Nets are buying 14 + Keldon from the Spurs for the Pelicans, when they don't know if the Pelicans prefer Cam Johnson + 27.

This is two trades:
1) everything but Spurs
2) Pelicans re-route Cam + 27 to the Spurs for Keldon + 14.

wemby wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:

wemby wrote:Edit: To be honest, this feels like Spurs shouldn't be included, as the Nets are making a decision for the Pelicans (sending them Keldon + 14 instead of Cam Johnson + 27, which they could have done). The Spurs addition feels like an addendum that should be the Pelicans prerogative.

I see you came back and edited this in. I marked it for you otherwise our back and forth looks ridiculous and when one changes a post significantly later, we need to mark it as such.

This could have stopped the whole argument lol. So glad you added it.

I made that edition at the moment, or moments later. I didn't come back to add it.

You made it after I quoted it. I had no reason to then go back and read your edit after you made future posts. Wish you had alerted me to it. Then we wouldn't have argued because you would have conceded my point and then you wouldn't have to feel singled out and attacked.

But looks like you see the issue I pointed out with your original post and like the deal better without the Spurs so this is all moot now.