Combining ideas den/dal/utah/chi/bos

[BelgradeNugget]

Combining few ideas into this

Denver out: Nnaji, Saric, Tyson, Pickett, Strawther, Westbrook 2031 1st unprotected
Denver in: Dosunmu, Klay Thompson, #32, 2nd worst of Jazz 27 1st picks.

Chicago trade: Dosunmu
Chicago receive: Westbrook, Strawther, #28

Dallas trade: Klay Thompson
Dallas receive: Clarkson, Pickett

Utah trade: Clarkson, #21, 2nd worst of Jazz 27 1st picks.
Urah recive: Saric, Nnaji, Tyson, Denver 31 1st unprotected

Boston trade: #28, #32
Boston recive: #21

Why for Denver: for Nnaji, expirings, Strawther and 2031 1st, get two bench players and some draft capital
Why for Chicago: turn Dosunmu into expiring, young player and #28
Why for Dallas: get off of Klay's contract for better fit Clarkson on expiring
Why for Utah: recive 2031 1 st from Den for Clarkson, #21 and worst of their 2027 1st
Why for Boston: move up in draft

[Astaluego]

Personally, I wouldn't trade Klay if the idea is to compete, they need to shoot, maybe there would be interest from the Mavs in Russ?

[Mavrelous]

Yeah, Klay is traded only as an upgrade for larger contract, Clarkson isn't good anymore.

[BelgradeNugget]

Personally, I wouldn't trade Klay if the idea is to compete, they need to shoot, maybe there would be interest from the Mavs in Russ?

It works if Russ is going to Dallas and Pickett/Brandon Williams to Chicago. Russ can provide playmaking while Kyrie is out.

[daoneandonly]

Agree with my fellow Mavs posters if this is the klay return, more sensible to keep him.

But this is way better than the proposals from yesterday where Mavs were trading a valuable piece in PJ and getting back a pile of meh

[BelgradeNugget]

Does this make more sense

Denver out: Nnaji, Saric, Tyson, Pickett, Strawther, Westbrook 2031 1st unprotected
Denver in: Dosunmu, Klay Thompson, #32, 2nd worst of Jazz 27 1st picks.

Chicago trade: Dosunmu
Chicago receive: Westbrook, Pickett, Brandon Williams, Strawther, #28

Dallas trade: Klay Thompson
Dallas receive: Clarkson, Pickett Westbrook, #32

Dallas could use Westbrook as PG while Kyrie is out, and expiring $14M of Clarkson + #32 in aditional trades if Clarkson is totally useless

[Astaluego]

Does this make more sense

Denver out: Nnaji, Saric, Tyson, Pickett, Strawther, Westbrook 2031 1st unprotected
Denver in: Dosunmu, Klay Thompson, #32, 2nd worst of Jazz 27 1st picks.

Chicago trade: Dosunmu
Chicago receive: Westbrook, Pickett, Brandon Williams, Strawther, #28

Dallas trade: Klay Thompson
Dallas receive: Clarkson, Pickett Westbrook, #32

Dallas could use Westbrook as PG while Kyrie is out, and expiring $14M of Clarkson + #32 in aditional trades if Clarkson is totally useless

replace the Mavs with the Suns?

SUNS
In: Westbrook/Saric
Out: Royce

JAZZ
In:Nnaji/Denver 31
Out:Martín/21/Worst FRP27

BULLS
In:Martín/Tyson/Worst FRP27
Out:Ayo

DENVER
In:Ayo/Royce/21
Out:Saric/Nnaji/Tyson/Westbrook/FRP 31

Murray/Brawn/MPJ/Gordon/Jokic
Pickett/Ayo/Strawther/Royce/Holmes/21

[Alatan]

This is a move Calvin Booth would do. Trade assets for salary dumps and declining players that would need to be dumbed again.

[BelgradeNugget]

Does this make more sense

Denver out: Nnaji, Saric, Tyson, Pickett, Strawther, Westbrook 2031 1st unprotected
Denver in: Dosunmu, Klay Thompson, #32, 2nd worst of Jazz 27 1st picks.

Chicago trade: Dosunmu
Chicago receive: Westbrook, Pickett, Brandon Williams, Strawther, #28

Dallas trade: Klay Thompson
Dallas receive: Clarkson, Pickett Westbrook, #32

Dallas could use Westbrook as PG while Kyrie is out, and expiring $14M of Clarkson + #32 in aditional trades if Clarkson is totally useless

replace the Mavs with the Suns?

SUNS
In: Westbrook/Saric
Out: Royce

JAZZ
In:Nnaji/Denver 31
Out:Martín/21/Worst FRP27

BULLS
In:Martín/Tyson/Worst FRP27
Out:Ayo

DENVER
In:Ayo/Royce/21
Out:Saric/Nnaji/Tyson/Westbrook/FRP 31

Murray/Brawn/MPJ/Gordon/Jokic
Pickett/Ayo/Strawther/Royce/Holmes/21

I like it very much, but since we are trading ideas

SUNS
In: Westbrook/Saric
Out: Royce

JAZZ
In:Nnaji/Denver 31
Out:Martín/21/Worst FRP27

BULLS
In:Martín/Tyson/Watson/DaRon Holmes II/ #21
Out:Ayo/Smith

DENVER
In:Ayo/Royce/Smith/Worst FRP27
Out:Saric/Nnaji/Tyson/Westbrook/Watson/Holmes II, FRP 31

[SkyHook]

Yeah, Klay is traded only as an upgrade for larger contract, Clarkson isn't good anymore.

I agree that Clarkson isn't good anymore. Neither is Klay. Both merit minimum contracts at this point in their careers. I can see not wanting to move Klay unless it's for an upgrade, but Clarkson's expiring contract may have more trade value at this point.

[hugepatsfan]

I can see this for Dallas in a few scenarios…

They take on enough future money via other trades or just extending Gafford/PJ that clearing future money is just a true necessity. Shedding year 2 of Klay opens up some of that room and might just be something you want to do now vs trying to outright dump the salary next year which costs more.

After whatever other moves they make, Dallas might be hard capped and the savings this year might just make the difference.

If they do want to do a Klay + assets trade for someone, the other team might prefer an expiring deal. Like I don’t want to rehash Jrue to Dallas again but just as an example, many of those deals have Klay to Boston and we’d probably prefer Clarkson’s expiring. Just illustrating a point there.

[Godaddycurse]

Denver is at 199.5M for 13 players. After OP they are at 199M for 9 players... you dont have enough room under the apron to fill out the roster even with vet mins/UDFA.

you have to pick one of Ayo or Klay, not both

[Mavrelous]

Yeah, Klay is traded only as an upgrade for larger contract, Clarkson isn't good anymore.

I agree that Clarkson isn't good anymore. Neither is Klay. Both merit minimum contracts at this point in their careers. I can see not wanting to move Klay unless it's for an upgrade, but Clarkson's expiring contract may have more trade value at this point.

Klay is still an elite shooter, Klay will play 25 MPG for the Nuggets, RS and PO, Clarkson won't.

[ChettheJet]

I'm stunned that people think so much of an expiring Ayo Dosunmu that they'd throw the Bulls a bunch surplus players they'll have to cut.

Everybody, the Bulls barely have room on the roster or playing time for #12, who knows what kind of project they get at #28 or #21 but even if they make room for his guaranteed contract, he goes G League or just sits at the end of the bench. Keep #28 and make it a 2026 or that 2027 pick is close to the only one that gets the Bulls interested.

Unless the Bulls looked at most of the players getting funneled to them when they got drafted mostly late like 27+ in the first or since their limited NBA action really made an impression, they have no room for them. Strawther probably still has potential, but where do the Bulls get him on the floor to look at it? Holmes hasn't played a single game. Tyson under 8 minutes of garbage time. Martin non guaranteed gets released

Westbrook doesn't pick up his option to go to CHI. That $3M is tip money for him, he wants to be on a winning team not hope for the play in with the Bulls.

The Bulls aren't worse off just keeping Ayo, he started games for the Bulls and improved every year. Skip this mish mash

[SkyHook]

Yeah, Klay is traded only as an upgrade for larger contract, Clarkson isn't good anymore.

I agree that Clarkson isn't good anymore. Neither is Klay. Both merit minimum contracts at this point in their careers. I can see not wanting to move Klay unless it's for an upgrade, but Clarkson's expiring contract may have more trade value at this point.

Klay is still an elite shooter, Klay will play 25 MPG for the Nuggets, RS and PO, Clarkson won't.

Hence the "may" above. Some teams "may" value the expiring contract vs pay $20MM more over two years for slightly better production.

[Mavrelous]

I agree that Clarkson isn't good anymore. Neither is Klay. Both merit minimum contracts at this point in their careers. I can see not wanting to move Klay unless it's for an upgrade, but Clarkson's expiring contract may have more trade value at this point.

Klay is still an elite shooter, Klay will play 25 MPG for the Nuggets, RS and PO, Clarkson won't.

Hence the "may" above. Some teams "may" value the expiring contract vs pay $20MM more over two years for slightly better production.

For comleting teams, which both Mavs and Nuggets are, Klay is the prefered player, and it's a no brainer.

[SkyHook]

Klay is still an elite shooter, Klay will play 25 MPG for the Nuggets, RS and PO, Clarkson won't.

Hence the "may" above. Some teams "may" value the expiring contract vs pay $20MM more over two years for slightly better production.

For comleting teams, which both Mavs and Nuggets are, Klay is the prefered player, and it's a no brainer.

I've already conceded that he's the better player. Trade value isn't necessarily the same thing and it's variable depending upon the receiving team.

[Mavrelous]

Hence the "may" above. Some teams "may" value the expiring contract vs pay $20MM more over two years for slightly better production.

For comleting teams, which both Mavs and Nuggets are, Klay is the prefered player, and it's a no brainer.

I've already conceded that he's the better player. Trade value isn't necessarily the same thing and it's variable depending upon the receiving team.

The trade is for Dallas, and for them, Klay>>Clarkson, Klay starts, Clarkson doesn't play.

[SkyHook]

For comleting teams, which both Mavs and Nuggets are, Klay is the prefered player, and it's a no brainer.

I've already conceded that he's the better player. Trade value isn't necessarily the same thing and it's variable depending upon the receiving team.

The trade is for Dallas, and for them, Klay>>Clarkson, Klay starts, Clarkson doesn't play.

Yes, and it's all moot regardless, I suppose.

[BelgradeNugget]

I'm stunned that people think so much of an expiring Ayo Dosunmu that they'd throw the Bulls a bunch surplus players they'll have to cut.

Everybody, the Bulls barely have room on the roster or playing time for #12, who knows what kind of project they get at #28 or #21 but even if they make room for his guaranteed contract, he goes G League or just sits at the end of the bench. Keep #28 and make it a 2026 or that 2027 pick is close to the only one that gets the Bulls interested.

Unless the Bulls looked at most of the players getting funneled to them when they got drafted mostly late like 27+ in the first or since their limited NBA action really made an impression, they have no room for them. Strawther probably still has potential, but where do the Bulls get him on the floor to look at it? Holmes hasn't played a single game. Tyson under 8 minutes of garbage time. Martin non guaranteed gets released

Westbrook doesn't pick up his option to go to CHI. That $3M is tip money for him, he wants to be on a winning team not hope for the play in with the Bulls.

The Bulls aren't worse off just keeping Ayo, he started games for the Bulls and improved every year. Skip this mish mash

Majority of players proposed here are expiring/non guarantied - Martín/Tyson/Pickett/Brandon Williams. Westbrook (exp) come to Denver by being traded from LAC to Utah, then being cut by Utah, and he chose Denver. Strawther/Watson/DaRon Holmes II are young players that have value (I understand you might not find minutes to play them). Chicago may combine #12 + #28 to move up in draft or #28 could be replaced with 2027 1st. Or Chicago could just keep Ayo+Smith