KD to SA for a realistic price

[One_and_Done]

KD for Barnes, Keldon, 14, a lottery protected future first, and a few 2nds of the Suns choosing.

Given KD is 37, and an injury risk, and you have to give him a max extension to trade for him, this seems like appropriate value. Both Barnes and Keldon can play decently, and the picks help the Suns move forward. Barnes also ensures cap relief the year after.

[Astaluego]

It could be realistic, but it seems almost offensive to me for a guy who has put up efficient +26/6/4... and you're sending out 2 replacement-level players, who are probably even overpaid, and meh picks (we're talking about KD, not Kevin Huerter)... I think Durant deserves more respect.

[LarsV8]

Looks about right, good job!

Houston's offer of Green, Jock and #10 very similar.

[One_and_Done]

It could be realistic, but it seems almost offensive to me for a guy who has put up efficient +26/6/4... and you're sending out 2 replacement-level players, who are probably even overpaid, and meh picks (we're talking about KD, not Kevin Huerter)... I think Durant deserves more respect.

Except KD is 37, and you're going to have to offer him a big extension at the max to get him, and it's not likely his health improves as he gets older.

Like, I think KD is a great player still too, but context matters. He can be a great player, and still have relatively low trade value.

I mean, this figure is a little misleading, but KD has played an average of 45 games over the past 6 years. That's slightly misleading as I said, but also very troubling for a guy who will be 37 by the time he plays for you.

[Hook_Em]

It could be realistic, but it seems almost offensive to me for a guy who has put up efficient +26/6/4... and you're sending out 2 replacement-level players, who are probably even overpaid, and meh picks (we're talking about KD, not Kevin Huerter)... I think Durant deserves more respect.

Except KD is 37, and you're going to have to offer him a big extension at the max to get him, and it's not likely his health improves as he gets older.

Like, I think KD is a great player still too, but context matters. He can be a great player, and still have relatively low trade value.

I mean, this figure is a little misleading, but KD has played an average of 45 games over the past 6 years. That's slightly misleading as I said, but also very troubling for a guy who will be 37 by the time he plays for you.

It’s likely a one year extension maybe 1+1. At worst he’s Rashard Lewis in 3 years.

[balsamic_ducks]

Overpay. Barnes, Keldon and 14 is plenty enough for a 37 yo expiring KD

[Astaluego]

It could be realistic, but it seems almost offensive to me for a guy who has put up efficient +26/6/4... and you're sending out 2 replacement-level players, who are probably even overpaid, and meh picks (we're talking about KD, not Kevin Huerter)... I think Durant deserves more respect.

Except KD is 37, and you're going to have to offer him a big extension at the max to get him, and it's not likely his health improves as he gets older.

Like, I think KD is a great player still too, but context matters. He can be a great player, and still have relatively low trade value.

I mean, this figure is a little misleading, but KD has played an average of 45 games over the past 6 years. That's slightly misleading as I said, but also very troubling for a guy who will be 37 by the time he plays for you.

He was 35 when the Suns acquired him.. Maybe he just shouldn't be a target for the Spurs, I don't know.. but in my opinion, the Suns should get at least a couple of guys who can start, Wiggins/Poelt/JCollins/Randle/Gobert etc. level guys.. if this is KD's price, I'd take him.

[wemby]

He was 35 when the Suns acquired him.. Maybe he just shouldn't be a target for the Spurs, I don't know.. but in my opinion, the Suns should get at least a couple of guys who can start, Wiggins/Poelt/JCollins/Randle/Gobert etc. level guys.. if this is KD's price, I'd take him.

The price the Suns paid was outrageous and ruined their future, do you expect anyone else to be dumb enough to repeat that mistake? Also, at his age getting 2 seasons out of him and almost running up his contract means you burned about half his value. So adjust original return for an overpay, divide that by half, account for expiring status / rental potential, and you can have a more realistic expectation for a Durant return.

Bottom line, I'm not trying to persuade random internet people that a low ball Spurs offer is a great deal, I'm simply stating what I believe to be true for most teams, some could extract more value (say, TWolves or Knicks) but Spurs are too early in their development to spend a too much on a player who won't be there to help them when they need it the most. This is why I was always on the do not trade for KD camp. If he throws himself to the Spurs, Fox style, so be it. Otherwise that's where I stand.

[Tallred23]

The problem here is that wouldn’t another team easily outbid this offer? Surely the rockets, knicks, Celtics, wolves, grizzlies, Cavs, or Warriors would offer more. The NBA isn’t a charity, Suns aren’t just going to give up a top 12 player to San Antonio for free. KD is old but still makes any of these teams massively better

[wemby]

The problem here is that wouldn’t another team easily outbid this offer? Surely the rockets, knicks, Celtics, wolves, grizzlies, Cavs, or Warriors would offer more. The NBA isn’t a charity, Suns aren’t just going to give up a top 12 player to San Antonio for free. KD is old but still makes any of these teams massively better

Great. Let them. Spurs won't play that game.

[One_and_Done]

It could be realistic, but it seems almost offensive to me for a guy who has put up efficient +26/6/4... and you're sending out 2 replacement-level players, who are probably even overpaid, and meh picks (we're talking about KD, not Kevin Huerter)... I think Durant deserves more respect.

Except KD is 37, and you're going to have to offer him a big extension at the max to get him, and it's not likely his health improves as he gets older.

Like, I think KD is a great player still too, but context matters. He can be a great player, and still have relatively low trade value.

I mean, this figure is a little misleading, but KD has played an average of 45 games over the past 6 years. That's slightly misleading as I said, but also very troubling for a guy who will be 37 by the time he plays for you.

He was 35 when the Suns acquired him.. Maybe he just shouldn't be a target for the Spurs, I don't know.. but in my opinion, the Suns should get at least a couple of guys who can start, Wiggins/Poelt/JCollins/Randle/Gobert etc. level guys.. if this is KD's price, I'd take him.

They could get Randle or Wiggins. No chance they get Gobert.

[wemby]

For the record, my dream scenario is the Suns getting a haul for Durant. FROM THE ROCKETS.

[One_and_Done]

For the record, my dream scenario is the Suns getting a haul for Durant. FROM THE ROCKETS.

Well that would be good for the Spurs, but bad for the Rockets.

[wemby]

For the record, my dream scenario is the Suns getting a haul for Durant. FROM THE ROCKETS.

Well that would be good for the Spurs, but bad for the Rockets.

Yeah, that's my point. The Rockets have a lot of assets, if they spend a lot for short term fixes they'll have less at their disposal when someone who might truly help the Spurs long term becomes available. So even if he Spurs don't get Durant themselves, it may be in their best interest to help them drive up KD's trade value so that at least it hurts a long term competitor.

[facothomas22]

Sounds fair enough. You could argue that the lottery protected future 1st round isn't really needed, but if it's included, it wouldn't be a big deal.

[Astaluego]

Except KD is 37, and you're going to have to offer him a big extension at the max to get him, and it's not likely his health improves as he gets older.

Like, I think KD is a great player still too, but context matters. He can be a great player, and still have relatively low trade value.

I mean, this figure is a little misleading, but KD has played an average of 45 games over the past 6 years. That's slightly misleading as I said, but also very troubling for a guy who will be 37 by the time he plays for you.

He was 35 when the Suns acquired him.. Maybe he just shouldn't be a target for the Spurs, I don't know.. but in my opinion, the Suns should get at least a couple of guys who can start, Wiggins/Poelt/JCollins/Randle/Gobert etc. level guys.. if this is KD's price, I'd take him.

They could get Randle or Wiggins. No chance they get Gobert.

Do you think Gobert at this stage of his career and looking at his last 3 playoff years is more valuable or helps you win more than KD? Gobert is a good role player, KD is a star (even at 37). In fact, he's clearly been the Suns' best player, and they have a certain Booker. In any case, we'll probably find out what his value is soon. I also agree that he doesn't make sense for the Spurs and they shouldn't pay more (than what you posted) to get him. But for a contender, he is worth more. Just look at how Butler, 35, traded to the Warriors since his arrival. Frankly, I think KD is even better.

[LarsV8]

For the record, my dream scenario is the Suns getting a haul for Durant. FROM THE ROCKETS.

Correct, and exactly reciprocal of what we hope for.

I would love for SA to spend a ton of assets to pay Fox/Durant 110m, 5 years before Wemby's prime.

Durant just doesn't make sense, basically anywhere, other than maybe Denver / Milwaukee, who are in the final moments of their respective windows. Too old, too expensive, etc. One jump away from potentially coming down hobbled and career being done. I don't care what his efficiency is, no one should be paying 50m for old players.

If he made sense, the Suns, a team trying to win, would not be looking to trade him.

In my opinion, the "proper" thing for these aging stars to do, is too take small MLE ' ish deals and return to the teams they started on, giving them a lift, after the pains of a rebuild.
George to Indy
Durant to OKC
Lebron to Cle
Harden to Hou

How many times do we need to learn this lesson?
Lillard, injured, dead money, may have slammed the Bucks window closed.
Beal, Albatross, contributed to Suns being in one of the worst situations in the league
George, one of worst contracts in the NBA, basically kills any chance Philly had of recovering.
Kawhi, plays 10% of games, not a bright future for LAC.

[facothomas22]

The problem here is that wouldn’t another team easily outbid this offer? Surely the rockets, knicks, Celtics, wolves, grizzlies, Cavs, or Warriors would offer more. The NBA isn’t a charity, Suns aren’t just going to give up a top 12 player to San Antonio for free. KD is old but still makes any of these teams massively better

Sure those teams you mentioned can offer more than the purposed package. That doesn't mean they should. Kevin Durant is a declining 37 year old player who's going command a lot of money next offseason.Combine with the fact it's questionable how much KD actually impacts winning at this point in his career and the fact that he will have a significant say where he gets to go to,the packages you see start to make more sense. I think a late lottery pick, decent salary filler, while also clearing out some salary sounds about right for the current version of Kevin Durant .

[One_and_Done]

He was 35 when the Suns acquired him.. Maybe he just shouldn't be a target for the Spurs, I don't know.. but in my opinion, the Suns should get at least a couple of guys who can start, Wiggins/Poelt/JCollins/Randle/Gobert etc. level guys.. if this is KD's price, I'd take him.

They could get Randle or Wiggins. No chance they get Gobert.

Do you think Gobert at this stage of his career and looking at his last 3 playoff years is more valuable or helps you win more than KD? Gobert is a good role player, KD is a star (even at 37). In fact, he's clearly been the Suns' best player, and they have a certain Booker. In any case, we'll probably find out what his value is soon. I also agree that he doesn't make sense for the Spurs and they shouldn't pay more (than what you posted) to get him. But for a contender, he is worth more. Just look at how Butler, 35, traded to the Warriors since his arrival. Frankly, I think KD is even better.

KD is a better player right now than Gobert, but his trade value is still lower. Gobert gets you alot of RS wins, and that counts for something too. He's also younger and more reasonably paid.

[zimpy27]

A few team will go for Durant. I don't think he'll be a bargain deal as he's shown you can add him to any system.