OKC-Dallas

[pipfan]

I think OKC should go for 75 wins next year. They could use one more vet forward, but-if healthy-they should be able to win 70+
Dallas should reset. Maybe they keep AD (I think they should deal him) but they should add young talent around Flagg/Lively

PJ Washington/2029 Laker 1st for Topic/Dieng/#24 or 15, not sure which is fair

OKC adds a perfect 3rd forward who can start when Chet is out
SGA/Wallace
Dort/Caruso
JWill/Wiggins
Chet/PJ
iHart/JWilliams
With Joe/KWill/Dillion Jones/2025 1st (15 or 24) on best big available. If they keep the #15, Fleming would be awesome there

That team should win 70+ and be even tougher next season. They decide about the cap hits in 2026. Also, they add a valuable 2029 pick

Dallas gets 2 interesting pieces, and a pick to build something now.
Christie/Topic/BWilliams
Klay/Hardy/1st from OKC
Flagg/Martin/Prosper
AD/Marshall
Lively/Gafford/Powell

That's a good lineup. Assuming Flagg is a positive from the go (not an All Star, but a solid player), that's a solid lineup, with Irving possibly coming back for a boost

[Devilanche]

I’m ok with including topic for an upgrade, indifferent about Dieng but would probably need a follow up trade to move Joe most probably given I’m leaning towards keeping Aaron wiggins for now .

[daoneandonly]

Terrible for Dallas. Give up a high variance pick for a middling one and the better player. Zero rationale here

[Mavrelous]

I'd stil say no without the LAL 1st FWIW

[jayjaysee]

I was the only Dallas fan that liked it when I posted it, so not surprised I still am.

You can leave Dieng out and match with 15 though.. Dallas should prefer the apron space and OKC should be able to trade Dieng+Kenrich+asset (or use Wiggins/Joe) for a bench player maker.

[pipfan]

I was the only Dallas fan that liked it when I posted it, so not surprised I still am.

You can leave Dieng out and match with 15 though.. Dallas should prefer the apron space and OKC should be able to trade Dieng+Kenrich+asset (or use Wiggins/Joe) for a bench player maker.

Didn't realize you posted it before-sorry
My Bulls will take Dieng for free into a TPE

Dallas gets Topic/#15 for PJ/LAL 1st

That saves a lot of $ for Dallas and gives them assets right now (Nico needs help to win)
Dallas has Topic/Flagg/Lively and #15 to start fresh, plus vets (especially AD). They also get out of the lux tax

Get the Bulls in and have OKC send #24 to Chi along with Dieng and Chi sends Port pick as well to Dallas

OKC adds a perfect fit at PF and the Laker pick for the future

Final deal
OKC sends Dieng/#24 to Chi and Topic/#15 to Dallas
OKC get PJ Washington/LAL 2029 pick

Bulls send Port pick to Dallas
Bulls get Dieng/#24

Dallas sends PJ Washington/LAL pick to OKC
Dallas gets Topic/#15/Port pick

[Astaluego]

PJ would be an improvement, but I think what they really need is a good scorer who can help SGA. They are loaded with elite complementary players whose greatest strength is defense (with questionable shots). I don't know someone in the Sexton mold. Ultimately, someone who can generate their own points and is efficient...

[Texas Chuck]

My thoughts are the same as when Jay did this. It feels like 2 different ideas being pushed together. OKC wanting Washington, I know one of their posters here hates that idea, but most OKC fans seem cool with this. Then its what is his value and how does OKC want to convey it. I think they'd want to see Topic first, but I could be wrong.

OKC wanting to defer a pick, yes, we've seen them do this before, seems very Presti. But it shouldn't need to be tied to a Washington trade. And what does Dallas want with the mid 1st now? If we are thinking about a future with Flagg, better to have the rookie contract start in 4 years not now. And if the team is trying to win now with AD/Kyrie, that rookie isn't likely to help for a year or two anyway.

I think the trade would be PJ Washington for the salary matching OKC wanted to use(they don't have any ugly matching for Dallas to be opposed to) and then pick 15 if OKC preferred to keep future picks, Topic if they are really ready to trade him without seeing him, or a future protected 1st of some kind if they thought 15 or Topic was too much value. As a Mavs fan, I'd want the future pick the most, then Topic(if medicals checked out--because I don't think any prospects at 15 are as good as him), then 15.

I think OKC should get to drive the direction of the value. And I think Dallas should avoid trading the unprotected LA pick for either Topic or 15.

[MoneyTalks41890]

I think the team has higher expectations for Topic than a PJ Washington rental. Dieng, 15, 24 is as high as I’d go.

OKC should’ve had the vision to trade for him from Charlotte. Though hard to quibble with the moves to be honest.

[Texas Chuck]

I think the team has higher expectations for Topic than a PJ Washington rental. Dieng, 15, 24 is as high as I’d go.

And I think even there you are going higher than necessary. Though OKC can afford to "overpay" for the guy they decide they want and if they need to push it a bit to get Dallas to move a guy they clearly to like, then maybe? Hopefully Dallas would then turn around and use one of those picks to turn some salary into a PG and if that's 15, maybe use 24 to dump some salary if need be.

If Dallas came out of a PJ trade with a solid PG and having shed some salary that's a really good result for them.

[jayjaysee]

My thoughts are the same as when Jay did this. It feels like 2 different ideas being pushed together. OKC wanting Washington, I know one of their posters here hates that idea, but most OKC fans seem cool with this. Then its what is his value and how does OKC want to convey it. I think they'd want to see Topic first, but I could be wrong.

OKC wanting to defer a pick, yes, we've seen them do this before, seems very Presti. But it shouldn't need to be tied to a Washington trade. And what does Dallas want with the mid 1st now? If we are thinking about a future with Flagg, better to have the rookie contract start in 4 years not now. And if the team is trying to win now with AD/Kyrie, that rookie isn't likely to help for a year or two anyway.

I think the trade would be PJ Washington for the salary matching OKC wanted to use(they don't have any ugly matching for Dallas to be opposed to) and then pick 15 if OKC preferred to keep future picks, Topic if they are really ready to trade him without seeing him, or a future protected 1st of some kind if they thought 15 or Topic was too much value. As a Mavs fan, I'd want the future pick the most, then Topic(if medicals checked out--because I don't think any prospects at 15 are as good as him), then 15.

I think OKC should get to drive the direction of the value. And I think Dallas should avoid trading the unprotected LA pick for either Topic or 15.

My thoughts on 15 and Topic to Dallas are..

As for starting the rookie contract now versus keeping the variance of the future pick.. I dislike it as well, but the two timeline play is expensive and having the 4-5 million role player for a few years will help with that. 15 isn’t a high ceiling play most likely but I can see any of Sorber, Jace, Egor making sense on Dallas’ roster and offering some decent upside.

Or 15+Klay/Gafford/salary going to get some slightly overpaid/talented shooting guard if Dallas wanted to push win now. Topic hopefully developing as a third guard and taking the starter role in a couple years..

But I do agree that if Presti wants PJ, he doesn’t need to include Topic. Which is why I tried spinning PJ to OKC into Jrue or Poole (didn’t go well) ideas..

[jayjaysee]

I think the team has higher expectations for Topic than a PJ Washington rental. Dieng, 15, 24 is as high as I’d go.

OKC should’ve had the vision to trade for him from Charlotte. Though hard to quibble with the moves to be honest.

Do not think 24 is necessary and really think OKC should gets seconds back if it’s 15.. understanding they don’t need more seconds but why not... If PJ will extend with Dallas, Dallas should keep him. If he won’t, 15 and salary relief is a really good deal.

[jayjaysee]

PJ would be an improvement, but I think what they really need is a good scorer who can help SGA. They are loaded with elite complementary players whose greatest strength is defense (with questionable shots). I don't know someone in the Sexton mold. Ultimately, someone who can generate their own points and is efficient...

I could picture

Dieng, Kenrich, Joe, 15, 24 out and Sexton and PJ in and OKC not having a single hole on their roster really..

Would be fun for OKC fans if Clay would pay that group for 3 years (go over the second apron 2 times) and not care about second apron penalties since the stars are so young and they own assets from other teams..

[jayjaysee]

I was the only Dallas fan that liked it when I posted it, so not surprised I still am.

You can leave Dieng out and match with 15 though.. Dallas should prefer the apron space and OKC should be able to trade Dieng+Kenrich+asset (or use Wiggins/Joe) for a bench player maker.

Didn't realize you posted it before-sorry
My Bulls will take Dieng for free into a TPE

Dallas gets Topic/#15 for PJ/LAL 1st

That saves a lot of $ for Dallas and gives them assets right now (Nico needs help to win)
Dallas has Topic/Flagg/Lively and #15 to start fresh, plus vets (especially AD). They also get out of the lux tax

Get the Bulls in and have OKC send #24 to Chi along with Dieng and Chi sends Port pick as well to Dallas

OKC adds a perfect fit at PF and the Laker pick for the future

Final deal
OKC sends Dieng/#24 to Chi and Topic/#15 to Dallas
OKC get PJ Washington/LAL 2029 pick

Bulls send Port pick to Dallas
Bulls get Dieng/#24

Dallas sends PJ Washington/LAL pick to OKC
Dallas gets Topic/#15/Port pick

OKC is owed the Portland pick, not Dallas. Topic/PJ LAL/15. Both seem close enough that Dallas isn’t owed extra.

Would be great if Dallas got it.

But like others said, Presti can be the top bidder for PJ without Topic. And can be the top bidder for the LAL pick without Topic.

Topic was mocked in the top 5-6 iirc before getting hurt.. Presti took him low and likely wants to see what he got..