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Not been on the board in a while. Both guys have some pretty rough value. Dame is obviously out this year, hopes that he will be effective maybe next year. Beal controls his fate, obviously wants to be in a good situation team/life wise.

Assuming Giannis talks with Beal, is not leaving this season, who says no in a Beal for Dame (third team needed to take a min-level player for an asset unspecified).

Why for the Suns?
Dismantling the team to some extent this year anyhow, Beal is someone who just is a poor fit next to booker. almost better with him at home and you can't control where you trade him. Lillard can be moved at your own discretion and could be a good pairing for Booker next year (unless he is traded again of course). In short - enhanced flexibility, better fit.

Why for the Bucks?
Giannis needs actual talent around him. Beal may not be who he used to be, but still can shoot/score and fill that Middleton role on offense. IMO it's easier to find a defensive oriented (3-D) point guard than a 3-D wing, so it also makes filling out the roster a little easier.

Why for Beal?
Phoenix is a nice area, great malls, great weather, great air. But at the end of the day, you are a star in the last few years of relevancy. You are on the cusp of being Rockets Melo (if you are not already). This is a chance to actually play a good role on a team that's likely to compete for home court advantage in next year playoffs.

Cant see Suns being too happy to lose Beal and KD in the same year that they dont have their own pick, while getting back a Lillard Out for the year + whatever KD returns.
For Bucks sure, try no to waste a year of Giannis, dumps Lillard whom nobody thinks can contribute decently after this injury...

tcheco wrote:Cant see Suns being too happy to lose Beal and KD in the same year that they dont have their own pick, while getting back a Lillard Out for the year + whatever KD returns.
For Bucks sure, try no to waste a year of Giannis, dumps Lillard whom nobody thinks can contribute decently after this injury...

I think at this point the Suns might do this. They really want to get off of Beal.

Bucks would have to send picks for anyone to take on Dames contract.

Daddy 801 wrote:Bucks would have to send picks for anyone to take on Dames contract.

not if the return is Beal lol (or PG fwiw)

no thanks, would rather cross my fingers and hope that dame is back before the playoffs

JonHeist wrote:

Daddy 801 wrote:Bucks would have to send picks for anyone to take on Dames contract.

not if the return is Beal lol (or PG fwiw)

I wouldn’t trade Beal for Dame if I was the Suns without assets coming back. At least Beal can play.

I think the Suns only do this with incentive. Dame is out for the year and you really can't bank on him having any serious on court value when he's back next year anyway. He's just an expiring contract really, which Beal will also be.

I'm not saying MIL needs to give a ton of incentive here, but something. You at least have to justify PHX going from someone who can play to someone who can't. And it might be worth it for MIL honestly. Beal isn't duplicative in skill set in MIL like he is PHX - actually the opposite in that they kind of need what he kinda sorta does well. It's not like Dame is getting them anything else via trade and he can't play. If it's cheap it could be worth it.

The Beal situation could be bad in PHX and maybe they'd just take a couple of 2nds to get him gone and wipe their hands. It's better than nothing I guess. And for MIL, that's absolutely worth it. You're paying Dame anyway not to play and while Beal might be overpaid he's still a good player if he's not forced to play a role he's not built for. It's pretty sizable addition for basically free for MIL.

MIL/PHX both cannot tank as many of their future picks are on other team's hand. Losing Beal for injured Dame does not help PHX at all.

The only type of team Dame is going to is the Jazz or another tanking team with good role players to trade. The Jazz could send 2-3 good rotation players for Dame and assets. I think the Jazz and Bucks are perfect trade partners with the caveat that the new CBA is so brutal that I don’t know if Utah would accepts Dame for just the 31st unprotected pick. I know in a vacuum that most people on here will think that’s more than enough but when these front offices do their analysis of how bad having a contract like Dames is…..one unprotected pick might not be enough. Any team with a bad contract (above about 30/40 million) is out of contention for the duration of the that contract. That’s a big decision for any team to accept. In the past I think 1 unprotected pick gets that deal done without much thought. Now….I am not so sure.

Having said all that. If I am Utah I do that trade. Having the Suns and Bucks 31st pick sounds really nice. Would be a complete disaster if that draft sucks, but the Jazz can trade one of those in the future if they don’t see that draft as a deep draft.

Daddy 801 wrote:The only type of team Dame is going to is the Jazz or another tanking team with good role players to trade. The Jazz could send 2-3 good rotation players for Dame and assets. I think the Jazz and Bucks are perfect trade partners with the caveat that the new CBA is so brutal that I don’t know if Utah would accepts Dame for just the 31st unprotected pick. I know in a vacuum that most people on here will think that’s more than enough but when these front offices do their analysis of how bad having a contract like Dames is…..one unprotected pick might not be enough. Any team with a bad contract (above about 30/40 million) is out of contention for the duration of the that contract. That’s a big decision for any team to accept. In the past I think 1 unprotected pick gets that deal done without much thought. Now….I am not so sure.

Having said all that. If I am Utah I do that trade. Having the Suns and Bucks 31st pick sounds really nice. Would be a complete disaster if that draft sucks, but the Jazz can trade one of those in the future if they don’t see that draft as a deep draft.

or the WIZARDS?They will be terrible at not giving up their pick to the Knicks.

WIZARDS
In: Lillard/Connaughton/Bucks 31/Future FRP(SUNS)
Out: Smart/Middleton/Bey/40

BUCKS
In:Beal/Royce/29
Out: Lillard/Connaughton/Bucks 31

SUNS
In: Middleton/Smart/Bey/40
Out:Beal/Royce/29/Future FRP

Daddy 801 wrote:

JonHeist wrote:

Daddy 801 wrote:Bucks would have to send picks for anyone to take on Dames contract.

not if the return is Beal lol (or PG fwiw)

I wouldn’t trade Beal for Dame if I was the Suns without assets coming back. At least Beal can play.

The bigger asset for Dame is the lack of the ability to block a trade. They can move his contract if they so choose. For example, if they move KD, they can get back, as an example, Randle, Donte (from the Wolves) and likely 2-3 picks. Contract-wise you can move Beal and picks for a better fit (Paul George? McCollum? Simons?) but he can block it. With Dame, he can be sent literally anywhere. Brooklyn (who has cap space) could take Dame and 5 picks (combining Suns picks with the ones from the Wolves deal) for Claxton. Lots of things open up due to getting rid of that NTC.

Daddy 801 wrote:The only type of team Dame is going to is the Jazz or another tanking team with good role players to trade. The Jazz could send 2-3 good rotation players for Dame and assets. I think the Jazz and Bucks are perfect trade partners with the caveat that the new CBA is so brutal that I don’t know if Utah would accepts Dame for just the 31st unprotected pick. I know in a vacuum that most people on here will think that’s more than enough but when these front offices do their analysis of how bad having a contract like Dames is…..one unprotected pick might not be enough. Any team with a bad contract (above about 30/40 million) is out of contention for the duration of the that contract. That’s a big decision for any team to accept. In the past I think 1 unprotected pick gets that deal done without much thought. Now….I am not so sure.

Having said all that. If I am Utah I do that trade. Having the Suns and Bucks 31st pick sounds really nice. Would be a complete disaster if that draft sucks, but the Jazz can trade one of those in the future if they don’t see that draft as a deep draft.

I could be wrong, but I would be surprised if the Jazz are not starting to make moves to win. I still think moving a limited role player like WK for multiple picks is on the table, but Jazz are a few tweaks from being competitive.

I think Beal says no unless he (for some reason) really believes Giannis is going to stay in Milwaukee.

Kalamazoo317 wrote:I think Beal says no unless he (for some reason) really believes Giannis is going to stay in Milwaukee.

I mean the Bucks making this trade is the signal he is staying. If he leaves they would have zero reason to make a deal like this.

I mean call me crazy but I think Milwaukee owes value in a Beal/Dame swap (not that they should pay it)

Would be silly for the Suns. Would be different if Brad was being a pain in the ass, running his mouth and alienating his teammates, but he is absolutely not. He averaged 17/ 3/ and 3 on a team with no identity all year and constructed terribly, with no drop in efficiency from previous years, just less touches and no clear defined role. Dame is not gonna return at full strength, he won't be physically able to be near normal til the 26/27 season, when he is 37 after a blood clot damaged his leg enough for him to tear an achilles.... NO THANK YOU

nykballa2k4 wrote:

Daddy 801 wrote:The only type of team Dame is going to is the Jazz or another tanking team with good role players to trade. The Jazz could send 2-3 good rotation players for Dame and assets. I think the Jazz and Bucks are perfect trade partners with the caveat that the new CBA is so brutal that I don’t know if Utah would accepts Dame for just the 31st unprotected pick. I know in a vacuum that most people on here will think that’s more than enough but when these front offices do their analysis of how bad having a contract like Dames is…..one unprotected pick might not be enough. Any team with a bad contract (above about 30/40 million) is out of contention for the duration of the that contract. That’s a big decision for any team to accept. In the past I think 1 unprotected pick gets that deal done without much thought. Now….I am not so sure.

Having said all that. If I am Utah I do that trade. Having the Suns and Bucks 31st pick sounds really nice. Would be a complete disaster if that draft sucks, but the Jazz can trade one of those in the future if they don’t see that draft as a deep draft.

I could be wrong, but I would be surprised if the Jazz are not starting to make moves to win. I still think moving a limited role player like WK for multiple picks is on the table, but Jazz are a few tweaks from being competitive.

The Jazz are going to clear the veterans and tank again. They have to. They don’t own their pick if they are in a win now mode next season.

Astaluego wrote:

Daddy 801 wrote:The only type of team Dame is going to is the Jazz or another tanking team with good role players to trade. The Jazz could send 2-3 good rotation players for Dame and assets. I think the Jazz and Bucks are perfect trade partners with the caveat that the new CBA is so brutal that I don’t know if Utah would accepts Dame for just the 31st unprotected pick. I know in a vacuum that most people on here will think that’s more than enough but when these front offices do their analysis of how bad having a contract like Dames is…..one unprotected pick might not be enough. Any team with a bad contract (above about 30/40 million) is out of contention for the duration of the that contract. That’s a big decision for any team to accept. In the past I think 1 unprotected pick gets that deal done without much thought. Now….I am not so sure.

Having said all that. If I am Utah I do that trade. Having the Suns and Bucks 31st pick sounds really nice. Would be a complete disaster if that draft sucks, but the Jazz can trade one of those in the future if they don’t see that draft as a deep draft.

or the WIZARDS?They will be terrible at not giving up their pick to the Knicks.

WIZARDS
In: Lillard/Connaughton/Bucks 31/Future FRP(SUNS)
Out: Smart/Middleton/Bey/40

BUCKS
In:Beal/Royce/29
Out: Lillard/Connaughton/Bucks 31

SUNS
In: Middleton/Smart/Bey/40
Out:Beal/Royce/29/Future FRP

Not sure if this exact deal gets it done, but this is the type of deal it would take to move Dame. Jazz, Wizards and the 2-5 teams that know next year and probably the next couple years are a wash.

Daddy 801 wrote:Bucks would have to send picks for anyone to take on Dames contract.

That’s wild to even say after everything Portland got for Dame in the first place. Absolutely wild change of tides