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Sabonis to Port, with Chi/Orl

Posted: Mon Jun 9, 2025 9:08 pm
by pipfan
Port decides to go for it
Sac rebuilds
Chi cashes in their pick for a 1st this year
Orl gets a SG

Port sends Ayton, rights to #10, 2026 and 2028 unprotected 1sts to Sac, along with Tybulle plus the 2029 swap rights (Milw)
Port gets Sabonis

Sac sends Sabonis to Port and Monk to Orl
Sac gets Ayton, Thybulle, CAnthony, JHoward, #10, 2026 and 2028 unprotected Port 1sts, and the 2029 Milw swap rights

Chi sends Port pick back to them (so they can trade it to Sac)
Chi gets #25 (drafts best big who drops)

Orl sends CAnthony/JHoward to Sac and #25 to Chi (This could also be KCP/#25?)
Orl gets MMonk

Sac starts over but stays decent next year. They have extra picks adding up (26-Port/27-SA/28-Port/29-Milw) and run with
Ellis/Anthony
Lavine/DCarter
DDR/Thybulle
Murray/JHoward
Ayton/Val
At #10 they take BPA-they only have Murray/Carter/Ellis and maybe Howard as future pieces as of now. But, they'd have a ton of future cap space and extra picks to play with

Port has an awesome defense to protect Sabonis
Henderson/Simons
Sharpe/Simons
Camara/Grant
Deni/Grant
Sabonis/Clingan
Rwill/Murray/Reath as deep bench. Would need a PG vet

Re: Sabonis to Port, with Chi/Orl

Posted: Mon Jun 9, 2025 9:13 pm
by tester551
Wrong direction for Portland... No thanks.

Re: Sabonis to Port, with Chi/Orl

Posted: Mon Jun 9, 2025 9:14 pm
by JRoy
Hate it for POR.

That team is a first round out for a couple years and then will need to rebuild the right way.

Re: Sabonis to Port, with Chi/Orl

Posted: Mon Jun 9, 2025 9:21 pm
by DeBlazerRiddem
I'm not super into trading for Sabonis but I can see where it could make some sense if the team cares more about making the playoffs next year and is OK topping out as a 1st round exit. I do think Sabonis would be a good fit with Scoot FWIW, they could have a nice two-man game.


Not really discussing value, which I think 2 unprotected picks is a cost I wouldn't spend on very many players, but in 2028 Portland has swap rights with Milwaukee so trading the 2028 pick unprotected is also effectively trading away that swap and hurts this value for Portland even more. *IF* Portland was to do something like this, and I'm not saying they should, but if they did I think 2028 is off limits.

In 2029 we own the most and least favorable 2 picks out of POR/BOS/MIL, I think changing the 2028 unprotected to one of those 2029 picks is necessary. I personally wouldn't give up the most favorable and trade away the chance at a high Milwaukee pick. It would still end up being 3 picks, and maybe they try and argue for most favorable, but Portland should not give up the chance at a high Milwaukee pick.

Re: Sabonis to Port, with Chi/Orl

Posted: Mon Jun 9, 2025 9:26 pm
by Nyce_1
Orlando accepts.

Re: Sabonis to Port, with Chi/Orl

Posted: Mon Jun 9, 2025 9:35 pm
by Myth
DeBlazerRiddem wrote:I'm not super into trading for Sabonis but I can see where it could make some sense if the team cares more about making the playoffs next year and is OK topping out as a 1st round exit. I do think Sabonis would be a good fit with Scoot FWIW, they could have a nice two-man game.


Not really discussing value, which I think 2 unprotected picks is a cost I wouldn't spend on very many players, but in 2028 Portland has swap rights with Milwaukee so trading the 2028 pick unprotected is also effectively trading away that swap and hurts this value for Portland even more. *IF* Portland was to do something like this, and I'm not saying they should, but if they did I think 2028 is off limits.

In 2029 we own the most and least favorable 2 picks out of POR/BOS/MIL, I think changing the 2028 unprotected to one of those 2029 picks is necessary. I personally wouldn't give up the most favorable and trade away the chance at a high Milwaukee pick. It would still end up being 3 picks, and maybe they try and argue for most favorable, but Portland should not give up the chance at a high Milwaukee pick.


But if we could, I wouldn’t anyway. This is too much for Sabonis. Portland fans and Kings fans in general (Not all), have discussed Sabonis to Blazers multiple times and the consensus has agreed on less value than this.

Re: Sabonis to Port, with Chi/Orl

Posted: Mon Jun 9, 2025 9:40 pm
by Myth
pipfan wrote:Port has an awesome defense to protect Sabonis

They do at the forward positions, but Portland’s guard defense is putrid. There is only so much Deni and Camara (and the few minutes Clingan and Sabonis share the court) can do to protect Sabonis, Sharpe, Scoot, and Simons. Rarely do I expect Camara, Deni, Clingan, and Sabonis on the floor at the same timetime. So, that means most of the time 3 out of 5 guys are poor defenders.

The more I think about it, more I think any trade for Sabonis should have most of the value coming from Sharpe. They are a bad fit together. Both are bad defenders who can’t shoot, which is a bad combo in modern NBA. A team can play one of them, but expecting success with both is a major uphill battle.

Re: Sabonis to Port, with Chi/Orl

Posted: Mon Jun 9, 2025 9:51 pm
by ReggiesKnicks
JRoy wrote:Hate it for POR.

That team is a first round out for a couple years and then will need to rebuild the right way.


What's the right way to rebuild? Portland already picked consecutive years in the high-lottery and got two highly covered prospects in Scoot/Sharpe, then traded for Deni Avdija.

They now pick #11. Is the expectation to pick Top 5 next year in the lottery?

Re: Sabonis to Port, with Chi/Orl

Posted: Mon Jun 9, 2025 10:26 pm
by JRoy
ReggiesKnicks wrote:
JRoy wrote:Hate it for POR.

That team is a first round out for a couple years and then will need to rebuild the right way.


What's the right way to rebuild? Portland already picked consecutive years in the high-lottery and got two highly covered prospects in Scoot/Sharpe, then traded for Deni Avdija.

They now pick #11. Is the expectation to pick Top 5 next year in the lottery?


Scoot looks like a bust to me and Sharpe has a lot to prove before he gets his next contract. Is either worth keeping? Opinions vary.

Ideally, I would try to move up for a potential franchise player. I thought at one point that Sharpe might become that guy. Seems unlikely at this point.

Re: Sabonis to Port, with Chi/Orl

Posted: Mon Jun 9, 2025 10:36 pm
by ReggiesKnicks
JRoy wrote:
ReggiesKnicks wrote:
JRoy wrote:Hate it for POR.

That team is a first round out for a couple years and then will need to rebuild the right way.


What's the right way to rebuild? Portland already picked consecutive years in the high-lottery and got two highly covered prospects in Scoot/Sharpe, then traded for Deni Avdija.

They now pick #11. Is the expectation to pick Top 5 next year in the lottery?


Scoot looks like a bust to me and Sharpe has a lot to prove before he gets his next contract. Is either worth keeping? Opinions vary.

Ideally, I would try to move up for a potential franchise player. I thought at one point that Sharpe might become that guy. Seems unlikely at this point.


Players at the hardest position in the NBA who showed immense improvement from year 1 to year 2 shouldn't be viewed or seen as busts in any capacity.

Scoot still has the same ceiling he did when he entered the league, a superstar, but the likelihood of that happening has undoubtedly decreased.

Re: Sabonis to Port, with Chi/Orl

Posted: Mon Jun 9, 2025 10:54 pm
by BlazersBroncos
This is WAY higher than what I would pay for Sabonis.

Ayton + 11 + 1 future protected FRP is the highest I would go. I assume SAC would want more, and that is fine.

Re: Sabonis to Port, with Chi/Orl

Posted: Mon Jun 9, 2025 10:58 pm
by Tim Lehrbach
ReggiesKnicks wrote:
JRoy wrote:Hate it for POR.

That team is a first round out for a couple years and then will need to rebuild the right way.


What's the right way to rebuild? Portland already picked consecutive years in the high-lottery and got two highly covered prospects in Scoot/Sharpe, then traded for Deni Avdija.

They now pick #11. Is the expectation to pick Top 5 next year in the lottery?


Good questions. I, for one, don't believe in a right or wrong way to rebuild. What I judge are the quality of players on the roster, the opportunities to improve, and the opportunity costs of any path forward. When the Blazers still had Lillard, they chose to rebuild, first by tanking with a solid roster still in place, then by tearing that roster down. I disagreed with the direction but understood it. I do not generally support tearing down a good team, even one that looks like it will never win a championship, to chase draft dreams. But I could see what they were doing, and it had a certain logic. Well, whether it is just luck or great foresight, they were right and I was wrong: Lillard is rapidly breaking down (even before the Achilles tear) and Portland got as much as could probably be expected for him.

Now, the Blazers are choosing to hitch their wagons to the current mix of foundational youth and (relative) veterans. I think they should still be rebuilding, maximizing their chances at top draft picks and prioritizing roster and salary flexibility -- not because that's a superior path per se, but because it's the best opportunity given the cards they have to play (i.e., because this roster isn't and won't be a good team). We'll see if Cronin and co. know better than I do again.

The most pessimistic among us do have to grapple with two facts: (1) Portland management, whether we like it or not, just is signaling that it is exiting the rebuild stage and wants to refine the roster around its "core" to compete now, and (2) the team did show growth last year, which flies in the face of our most dire predictions. So when I answer trade threads, I typically come at it from two different POVs: what I think, and what I think Portland management wants to do.

Here's where I'm at with my Blazers: no matter how good an ensemble cast they cobble together, the Blazers lack the top-end talent needed to contend, and it appears unlikely that it will come from within the current roster. You are correct that they entered the rebuild in earnest (stealthy though it was with Lillard still in the fold), and I will even submit that they drafted well getting those two coveted prospects. But they were misses. It happens. You keep trying until you hit in the draft, free agency, or trade. Some will argue that they did hit on Deni and Camara. These are two very good players, neither of whom will win a heckin' thing without first being attached to a legit star or stars.

Or, some will also argue -- and this seems to be a growing mainstream media consensus -- that the Blazers did do it right and are being rewarded with their upward trajectory. I don't buy it. Judging a 38-win season (or any season) requires context. Do you have a budding superstar who just needs help? Do you have a cast of veterans clinging to relevance but aging out of credibility? Do you, like the Blazers, have some decent pieces who made a charmed run against the easiest competition possible over two months of an otherwise putrid season? Well, you can tell where I land on evaluating Portland's 2024-2025.

I do not celebrate a 38-win season, led primarily by just-OK youth, let alone follow it up by trading a lot for a 29-year-old with no history of leading anybody anywhere. I like Sabonis, but he's not a franchise cornerstone. He's a final piece to the puzzle type of guy, like the Knicks (wisely or not) pushing their chips in for Bridges and Towns, or the Warriors reaching for Butler. I am confident Sabonis will be a nice addition to a contender at some point, but it's not likely to be in Portland.

There is a third argument some may make, which is that Portland is poised to land a major star and will be set for contention precisely because of the work already done to assemble such an appealing supporting cast. If this occurs, I will be proven wrong, and I will give all due credit to Portland's wily management. But I have my doubts about the Blazers trading for a franchise player and about this supporting cast being good enough. Portland is more than one big move, or even one big move and tinkering around the edges, from contention.

TBH, there is a lot of anticipatory anxiety going on in our responses to Portland's path. We expect Cronin to hand over massive, unearned extensions to Simons and Ayton, locking Portland into an uninspiring core that will go only as far as the backcourt grows (and many of us remain skeptical about Scoot and Shaedon).

I'll probably get some replies to this post that sneer at my attitude or dismiss my opinions about certain Blazers. That's fine. I can be wrong, and I would love it if I am because that means the Blazers are going to be awesome. And, in that case, maybe Sabonis really would be a fit for a team on the rise. I just doubt it. So, like JRoy, my preference is to see the Blazers throw their catch back and go fishing again.

That was a lot more than you asked, but I felt like the board is not getting the full perspective of those of us who oppose "win-now" moves, even as Portland management seems to want to lean that way. So, there are some thoughts, for whatever they are worth. Despite what some will attest, I am open to having my mind changed, especially by meaningful growth from Scoot and Shaedon.

Re: Sabonis to Port, with Chi/Orl

Posted: Mon Jun 9, 2025 11:01 pm
by Tim Lehrbach
That was really long, sorry. Based on your follow-up, I think the disconnect, as it is among Blazers fans too, is on how one rates Scoot and Sharpe. I really like both guys, I swear -- I was a big advocate of getting both before the Blazers drafted them, was ecstatic when Portland got them, and continue to like both guys for character or playstyle/aesthetic reasons. I just don't think they are good. They are going to get paid like they are good. I'd rather move on or at least hedge my bets by seeking a new, more promising lead guard prospect.

Re: Sabonis to Port, with Chi/Orl

Posted: Mon Jun 9, 2025 11:23 pm
by ReggiesKnicks
Tim Lehrbach wrote:That was really long, sorry. Based on your follow-up, I think the disconnect, as it is among Blazers fans too, is on how one rates Scoot and Sharpe. I really like both guys, I swear -- I was a big advocate of getting both before the Blazers drafted them, was ecstatic when Portland got them, and continue to like both guys for character or playstyle/aesthetic reasons. I just don't think they are good. They are going to get paid like they are good. I'd rather move on or at least hedge my bets by seeking a new, more promising lead guard prospect.


Great post.

One aspect the Blazers did do well on is the Lillard trade. They double-dipped, getting value for Lillard AND the player they received from Lillard (Jrue Holiday). They diversified their assets and then immediately added Deni Avdija, another upside play, for a limited variance pick (2nd best of 3 in 2029, I believe).

Notably, their rebuild has been good, borderline great.

Re: Sabonis to Port, with Chi/Orl

Posted: Mon Jun 9, 2025 11:46 pm
by GatherStepGuru
ReggiesKnicks wrote:
JRoy wrote:Hate it for POR.

That team is a first round out for a couple years and then will need to rebuild the right way.


What's the right way to rebuild? Portland already picked consecutive years in the high-lottery and got two highly covered prospects in Scoot/Sharpe, then traded for Deni Avdija.

They now pick #11. Is the expectation to pick Top 5 next year in the lottery?



I feel like in a lot of ways, the Blazers are similar to the Wizards… A lot of possibly interesting pieces, but no true “guy” that you can say you’re building around.

My personal opinion is that Scoot is not gonna be the franchise player they projected him to be when they traded Dame. So start either tanking for one, or try to trade for a guy or 2 to build around.

Re: Sabonis to Port, with Chi/Orl

Posted: Mon Jun 9, 2025 11:50 pm
by ChettheJet
The Bulls back slowly away. Nobody knows the future and liars are predicting the 2026 draft but the Bulls are better off hoping PORT gets to #15 in either of the next two years than waiting to add some big project at #25 to this year's crowded roster.

Alternately if SAC was just nutty, PORT sends Ayton to the Bulls who send Vucevic and Carter to SAC so the Kings can have even more former Bulls on the roster

Re: Sabonis to Port, with Chi/Orl

Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2025 2:29 am
by DiegoChara
BlazersBroncos wrote:This is WAY higher than what I would pay for Sabonis.

Ayton + 11 + 1 future protected FRP is the highest I would go. I assume SAC would want more, and that is fine.


That’s about where I’m at on the price I’d pay for Sabonis. And I wouldn’t feel good about even paying that.

Re: Sabonis to Port, with Chi/Orl

Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2025 7:59 am
by BoogieTime
Reports are we are trying to compete

Re: Sabonis to Port, with Chi/Orl

Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2025 2:34 pm
by longfellow44
I'm not interested in trading Sabonis. Certainly not for a package made up of just ok picks, without a single guaranteed good prospect. I have said it before and I will say it again if Portland wants Sabonis they will have to give up either Deni or Clingan, they don't seem interested in doing that so there is no way that the kings should consider this.

Re: Sabonis to Port, with Chi/Orl

Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2025 2:41 pm
by JRoy
longfellow44 wrote:I'm not interested in trading Sabonis. Certainly not for a package made up of just ok picks, without a single guaranteed good prospect. I have said it before and I will say it again if Portland wants Sabonis they will have to give up either Deni or Clingan, they don't seem interested in doing that so there is no way that the kings should consider this.


He’s all yours.