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Memphis takes a swing on KP. If Porzingis doesn't work for them, they can potentially clear a lot of cap space for next summer. Boston breaks KP up into smaller pieces and gets draft capital to do so.

Boston trades Kristaps Porzingis, #32
Memphis trades Brandon Clarke, John Konchar, Vince Williams, 2027 1st (top 4 protection), 2028 2nd (from SAC)

I don't think Boston views Clarke or Konchar as positive value that fit their long term plans but they save $10 in 2025-26 and get some draft compensation a couple of years out. Memphis get #32 which is in the sweet spot of the draft for their scouting team (Bane, Santi, Wells, etc)

need to add more salary. right now boston is sending out 30.7M and memphis is sending out 20.9M.

I dont think KP is worth giving up a 1st for even if they send out negative salary. too risky

Is Memphis not re-negotiating and extending JJJ?

I don't think Porzingis returns such a highly-volatile asset like a Top-4 protected 1st.

Can't see anyone committing a future 1st to Porzingis. Probably not even a current year 1st even if it was #30, unless maybe BOS took back multi year money. Which to be fair, you do have them doing here. But such a lightly protected 1st 2 years out from a team with some injury history stars and a loaded conference is too much.

MEM probably isn't looking to aggregate those guys, they'll try to dump them separately to create room for a JJJ renegotiation extension that they need cap for. Don't think this is a good target for such a deal.

Any multi year money for BOS needs to be weighed against their own cap sheet. Right now, with Jrue on the books, can't see them taking this on. But if they were to deal Jrue in a separate deal that clears a good portion of his money, BOS using Porzingis' expiring deal as a means to get draft compensation via taking on multi year money like this is rather intriguing, since their cap situation does allow that if Jrue's out years are moved in part or in full.

No interest in KP even for free.

I wouldn't mind a look at KP but with JJJ renegotiation plans make it nearly impossible especially with our rotation guys are getting charged as unwanted salary. Maybe if let Aldama walk and JJJ takes a smaller raise then some kind Clarke/2nds to Boston and konchar/2nds to cap space team could work here.

redslastlaugh wrote:Memphis takes a swing on KP. If Porzingis doesn't work for them, they can potentially clear a lot of cap space for next summer. Boston breaks KP up into smaller pieces and gets draft capital to do so.

Boston trades Kristaps Porzingis, #32
Memphis trades Brandon Clarke, John Konchar, Vince Williams, 2027 1st (top 4 protection), 2028 2nd (from SAC)

I don't think Boston views Clarke or Konchar as positive value that fit their long term plans but they save $10 in 2025-26 and get some draft compensation a couple of years out. Memphis get #32 which is in the sweet spot of the draft for their scouting team (Bane, Santi, Wells, etc)

There is really no upside for Boston here. Yes they get some dudes, but right now, if anything perhaps they are hoping that KP is healthy and can be the #2 scoring option with Brown.

This trade appears to be very very illegal. Gonna need about $9 million more going to Boston.

nykballa2k4 wrote:There is really no upside for Boston here. Yes they get some dudes, but right now, if anything perhaps they are hoping that KP is healthy and can be the #2 scoring option with Brown.

well, i don't even know the arcana of the contract extension rules, so i don't know if even Memphis would really benefit from moving off the 26-27 years of Konchar and Clarke to try out Kristaps.

for boston, the idea is to break KP into smaller, lesser contracts for tax payment savings. Clarke is a guy, he's young/good enough that he can be moved again or retained if he surprises in Boston's system. As for Konchar maybe they'd stretch him or fold him into a larger deal or pay 2nds to dump the money, whatver but he's pretty small money to carry forward.

Ultimately, the upside is take a few fliers on young guys while adding draft capital for stage II manuevers around Tatum's return.

BK_2020 wrote:This trade appears to be very very illegal. Gonna need about $9 million more going to Boston.

Yea, if something like this happened it would be one leg of a 4- or 5-team deal that would include other pieces moving to bring the trade into compliance

If MEM is interested in a one year center they can find those 2 or 3 other teams suggested and talk to the Bulls about the expiring Nikola Vucevic. He managed an 18.5/10.1 shooting .402 from 3 so lets' not say he's a chump. One year you see what he can do with the current group,and in the half court in the playoffs.

The problem would be that the Bulls can't take back 4 contracts to get to $21.4M . If MEM isn't satisfied with Edey the Bulls can take him back and then those 2-3 other teams need to step in

Top 4 protected first? Naw more like top 25 protected.

redslastlaugh wrote:

nykballa2k4 wrote:There is really no upside for Boston here. Yes they get some dudes, but right now, if anything perhaps they are hoping that KP is healthy and can be the #2 scoring option with Brown.

well, i don't even know the arcana of the contract extension rules, so i don't know if even Memphis would really benefit from moving off the 26-27 years of Konchar and Clarke to try out Kristaps.

for boston, the idea is to break KP into smaller, lesser contracts for tax payment savings. Clarke is a guy, he's young/good enough that he can be moved again or retained if he surprises in Boston's system. As for Konchar maybe they'd stretch him or fold him into a larger deal or pay 2nds to dump the money, whatver but he's pretty small money to carry forward.

Ultimately, the upside is take a few fliers on young guys while adding draft capital for stage II manuevers around Tatum's return.

If I am moving KP - I want either nothing with decent future draft assets (Pistons could probably offer Stew or Harris, future FRP or take Hauser for Fonteccio, thus allowing them to get the 3-D center while keeping their pending FA's)

Or I want to use his value with Jrue's value to get one better long term piece. (big convoluted trade where Celtics send out White, Jrue, KP and get back Durant. KP and Jrue go out, four team deal Garland incoming etc)

OR the pinata package where I send out Jrue, KP, Hauser. Get back Dame and high value assets (Bucks unprotected stuff, under-used rookie contract guys from the stupid deep teams)
Then the next year trading Dame (1 year less on the monster deal), possibly the tank pick, and the other asset for something crazy like Jokic or just pick up two elite-role guys (Murray and Trey from NOP?)

Memphis just gave the #18 pick (and LaRavia) to move off Marcus Smart's $21 million next yr and receive the #48 pick
This is Memphis moving off $20 million, receiving #32 pick and getting KP.

I understand if you don't like the value but it doesn't seem particularly out of line relative to recent deals.

TGW wrote:Top 4 protected first? Naw more like top 25 protected.

redslastlaugh wrote:Memphis just gave the #18 pick (and LaRavia) to move off Marcus Smart's $21 million next yr and receive the #48 pick
This is Memphis moving off $20 million, receiving #32 pick and getting KP.

I understand if you don't like the value but it doesn't seem particularly out of line relative to recent deals.

TGW wrote:Top 4 protected first? Naw more like top 25 protected.

Yes we gave up that pick to clear money for a specific reason not trade for more salary. We need to clear even more money to have enough money to renegotiate JJJ. Your offer just doesn't work with what we are doing this coming offseason.

psman2 wrote:

redslastlaugh wrote:Memphis just gave the #18 pick (and LaRavia) to move off Marcus Smart's $21 million next yr and receive the #48 pick
This is Memphis moving off $20 million, receiving #32 pick and getting KP.

I understand if you don't like the value but it doesn't seem particularly out of line relative to recent deals.

TGW wrote:Top 4 protected first? Naw more like top 25 protected.

Yes we gave up that pick to clear money for a specific reason not trade for more salary. We need to clear even more money to have enough money to renegotiate JJJ. Your offer just doesn't work with what we are doing this coming offseason.

yea, honestly I dont know the rules for extending Jackson. He is signed this year. Clarke and Konchar are signed this season AND next. If trading Konchar and Clarke for an expiring contract (KP) that takes $20 million off of your books for 2026-27 doesn't improve your negotiating situation, what is the way to free up the money? Are you trying to just trade Konchar and Clarke into BRK's capspace? I can't remember a case where a player was in Jaren's situation

redslastlaugh wrote:

psman2 wrote:

redslastlaugh wrote:Memphis just gave the #18 pick (and LaRavia) to move off Marcus Smart's $21 million next yr and receive the #48 pick
This is Memphis moving off $20 million, receiving #32 pick and getting KP.

I understand if you don't like the value but it doesn't seem particularly out of line relative to recent deals.

Yes we gave up that pick to clear money for a specific reason not trade for more salary. We need to clear even more money to have enough money to renegotiate JJJ. Your offer just doesn't work with what we are doing this coming offseason.

yea, honestly I dont know the rules for extending Jackson. He is signed this year. Clarke and Konchar are signed this season AND next. If trading Konchar and Clarke for an expiring contract (KP) that takes $20 million off of your books for 2026-27 doesn't improve your negotiating situation, what is the way to free up the money? Are you trying to just trade Konchar and Clarke into BRK's capspace? I can't remember a case where a player was in Jaren's situation

Our plan is to for sure dump Konchar into capspace. Likely 15+ teams can take him in with incentive. Then we have to choose between keeping Aldama or Clarke. If we choose Aldama we have to dump Clarke into someone's cap space with no money coming back. He fits into the MLE so again doesn't have to be the Nets. That would allow us to give JJJ a raise up to his max contract next season(22m new money) which is incentive to convince him to extend. We just don't have the contracts to make your trade work unless JJJ was willing to take a much smaller raise next season.

Myles Turner did a renegotiate and extend a few season ago.

dang, it stinks your financial situation is so constrained when MEM has been pretty fiscally prudent. I'm a Celtics fan and our books are a mess but our front office also fell into the free spending ways of a credit card addict, lol ... but your books are pretty clean and you'd think you should be able to have both Santi/Clarke for $25/aav together or so... and then Ja, JJJ and Bane and then some rookies and whatnot... & that's your team, that that should be doable, youd think

psman2 wrote:Our plan is to for sure dump Konchar into capspace. Likely 15+ teams can take him in with incentive. Then we have to choose between keeping Aldama or Clarke. If we choose Aldama we have to dump Clarke into someone's cap space with no money coming back.