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The irony of someone called AD, as in All Day, yet always being out with injury. Getting that out the way

Dallas Trades: Anthony Davis, Jaden Hardy
Dallas Receives: 2027 Detroit FRP, 2029 Detroit FRP, 2028 Least Favorable FRP from Philly, Jared McCain, Tobias Harris, Simone F, Eric Gordon

Detroit Trades: 2027 Detroit FRP, 2029 Detroit FRP, Tobias Harris, Simone F, Ronald Holland
Detroit Receives: Anthony Davis, Jaden Hardy

Philly Trades: 2028 Least Favorable FRP (between Philly/LAC), Jared McCain, Eric Gordon
Philly Receives: Ronald Holland

Dallas gets 3 FRP's for AD to start a pivot movement focusing around Flagg. McCain should slide in nicely with Flagg and even Kyrie when he returns. Dallas also sheds a great deal of money after next season, while having a great locker room and bench guy in Tobias. Eric Gordon can cover some much needed guard minutes as well fairly cheaply.

Detroit keeps the young core who propelled them to the playoffs this year and adds AD. Holland didnt get much PT this year and with Ausar/Cade/Ivey, there may not be enough minutes to go around. Ad gives them a huge presence to add to those guys and Duren. A healthy lineup can really go far in the East.

Philly adds the better prospect in Holland. Even if they take Bailey, he and Holland should work well together as a future frontcourt, but if they go VJ or Tre Johnson at #3, even more so.

Why is Holland the better prospect?

The problem with all McCain trades is that no one is going to set his value as assuming his play last year will continue. The sample size was just too small.

The Sixers are better off just seeing if that was real and making a more informed decision.

I don't think the Sixers would view Holland as a better prospect than McCain.

Philly is overcomplicating this.

Not sure if Detroit feels they are AD away? Maybe?

AD could make Dallas scary. Just make it the 2 teams-maybe even send Harris somewhere else (Miami for Rozier/#20?)
Cade/AD is an awesome pairing, and Dallas gets future assets

Texas Chuck wrote:Philly is overcomplicating this.

Not sure if Detroit feels they are AD away? Maybe?

I feel like we (Det) are running away with value that the 76ers are paying to Dallas.

Maybe AD would be ok with it because of Cade & how open the East is. I'd gladly pay this price although risky.

Texas Chuck wrote:Philly is overcomplicating this.

Not sure if Detroit feels they are AD away? Maybe?

In my opinion -- no. Too soon. Even with a healthy AD the roster still has some holes and quite a few question marks

The good great news is that Cade is legit worth building around, and that Ausar is a real defensive beast. We also have some other young talents worth developing that could become really good starters or even stars. But if the vets revert to career normal play, we could find that some of our 44 wins were random good luck that won't repeat.

I'll feel a lot different if a couple of our youngsters Thompson/Ivey/Holland/Duren/Stewart take a major step -- which is a great argument for being patient

Yeah I don’t understand Holland being a first more valuable than McCain. McCain was really exciting when he played and I’d guess Philly sits on him if this is all he’s worth?

But a Lively/Flagg/Holland starting defense has the potential to be really amazing. And it’ll lead to a strong 2026 first so you can picture adding Peterson to the young core?

I love AD’s fit in Detroit and do think Cade and Thompson should be enough to make them an interesting destination for AD. Duren and Stewart help..

I don’t know what it does to the value in the OP, but I think it would he smart of Detroit to try and pay with Ivey instead of a future first.

Losing Ivey’s ceiling hurts, but it means they can push their salary decisions an extra year or two into the future

Yeah,this is bad value for the 76ers. Jared McCain has shown a lot more as a rookie compared to Ron Hollard and has more of a chance to grow into a actual all star. The value the 76ers are giving up isn't matching up.

Yea didnt know where the Holland vs McCain value difference stood, so this is knowledgeable feedback. I assumed the scouting reports and draft positions since they were only a year ago still had Holland higher. I initially thought the Philly 2nd this year instead of a future first, but probably went Mavs homer.

I still think Detroit is a great place for AD and the two teams could work out a trade thats sensible for both. I like McCain and think he fits so well with Flagg/Kyrie, not just because he's also a Duke guy, but that helps, so why I included them.

oldncreaky wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:Philly is overcomplicating this.

Not sure if Detroit feels they are AD away? Maybe?

In my opinion -- no. Too soon. Even with a healthy AD the roster still has some holes and quite a few question marks

The good great news is that Cade is legit worth building around, and that Ausar is a real defensive beast. We also have some other young talents worth developing that could become really good starters or even stars. But if the vets revert to career normal play, we could find that some of our 44 wins were random good luck that won't repeat.

I'll feel a lot different if a couple of our youngsters Thompson/Ivey/Holland/Duren/Stewart take a major step -- which is a great argument for being patient

I think AD would be great on Detroit. If he can be added without giving up the young core, then I’d do it. The OP seems like it’s giving up a lot of draft capital, but if Detroit continues to make the playoffs, these picks will be high teens at best.

Hate to lose Holland. Seems like a lot of dissing his value on this thread but he’s 19 freaking years old and just played one year in the league. He doesn’t back down from anyone and plays good D. His G league Ignite team sucked, so last year on the Pistons was his first year playing on a legit team. I expect him to be a solid starter in the league.

Dallas isn't trading AD. If they were though, this is really stealing value for the pistons. Detroit is going to be a playoff team in the east for the foreseeable future as is. Adding AD virtually assures those picks are in the 20's.

Billl wrote:Dallas isn't trading AD. If they were though, this is really stealing value for the pistons. Detroit is going to be a playoff team in the east for the foreseeable future as is. Adding AD virtually assures those picks are in the 20's.

Yea def legitimate argument, though banking on AD's health si what could swing it either way. I was thinking 3 FRP from Detroit, but didnt know if that was too greedy.

In every trade that sends out Holland, I want to substitute Ivey. That’s how much I believe in the kid… and also how much salary control is going to matter on this roster really soon.

tmorgan wrote:In every trade that sends out Holland, I want to substitute Ivey. That’s how much I believe in the kid… and also how much salary control is going to matter on this roster really soon.

I like Ivey even more and would be happy to do that for Dallas. My one concern though is he's coming back from injury plus the upcoming contract he needs. But think ivey will fill a glaring hole fro Dallas and could fit with Ky when he returns

It will sound like extreme homerism but I view Holland as having the highest potential ceiling on the pistons of any player outside of Cade. IF he can get his jumpshot stabilzed he has the makings of a 2 way star. Very good finisher around the rim, can score inside of 15 feet pretty reliably, dog on defense, underated playmaker, kid is going to be special.

I've already stated I don't want AD, undeniable talent, will ALWAYS let you down because he cannot stay healthy. Its a shame because he should go down as a top 5 PF of all time and won't because of his lack of availability.

daoneandonly wrote:

tmorgan wrote:In every trade that sends out Holland, I want to substitute Ivey. That’s how much I believe in the kid… and also how much salary control is going to matter on this roster really soon.

I like Ivey even more and would be happy to do that for Dallas. My one concern though is he's coming back from injury plus the upcoming contract he needs. But think ivey will fill a glaring hole fro Dallas and could fit with Ky when he returns

As for this trade, I’m torn but leaning against. Not because of AD and his fragility, but because we still have a little time before contention seems realistic.

One of the overlooked aspects of “go for it” trades is the increased pressure and different minutes distribution on teams with developing talent. Holland needs more minutes next year, and if we traded Ivey and picks to upgrade from Tobias to AD, those minutes will be harder to get, even with Ivey gone. JBB will lean into Beasley (and maybe even THJ again, yuck) because Holland makes more mistakes.

I wouldn’t freak out in a negative way if this kind of deal happened. It would certainly add excitement to next season. But it’s probably not time yet.

guldakot wrote:It will sound like extreme homerism but I view Holland as having the highest potential ceiling on the pistons of any player outside of Cade. IF he can get his jumpshot stabilzed he has the makings of a 2 way star. Very good finisher around the rim, can score inside of 15 feet pretty reliably, dog on defense, underated playmaker, kid is going to be special.

I've already stated I don't want AD, undeniable talent, will ALWAYS let you down because he cannot stay healthy. Its a shame because he should go down as a top 5 PF of all time and won't because of his lack of availability.

I think he does, too. Ausar’s too broken as a shooter to have faith in offensively. Similarly, Ivey is too undisciplined as a defender. Duren has defensive issues. Stew is just… Stew. That leaves young Ron. His shot looks fine and he has nice footwork on it as well. If he hits st 35%+ with his defense and finishing, he can be a star. He needs to earn his minutes, though. I hope he gets 20-25 next year, more if he earns them and we open up space for him.

tmorgan wrote:

daoneandonly wrote:

tmorgan wrote:In every trade that sends out Holland, I want to substitute Ivey. That’s how much I believe in the kid… and also how much salary control is going to matter on this roster really soon.

I like Ivey even more and would be happy to do that for Dallas. My one concern though is he's coming back from injury plus the upcoming contract he needs. But think ivey will fill a glaring hole fro Dallas and could fit with Ky when he returns

As for this trade, I’m torn but leaning against. Not because of AD and his fragility, but because we still have a little time before contention seems realistic.

One of the overlooked aspects of “go for it” trades is the increased pressure and different minutes distribution on teams with developing talent. Holland needs more minutes next year, and if we traded Ivey and picks to upgrade from Tobias to AD, those minutes will be harder to get, even with Ivey gone. JBB will lean into Beasley (and maybe even THJ again, yuck) because Holland makes more mistakes.

I wouldn’t freak out in a negative way if this kind of deal happened. It would certainly add excitement to next season. But it’s probably not time yet.

Given your and others' feedback, I was thinking this would make more sense. Would adding Caleb Martin alleviate some of your concerns?

Detroit gets: Anthony Davis, Caleb Martin
Dallas gets: 2027 FRP via Det, 2029 FRP via Detroit, Jaden Ivey, Tobias Harris, Simone F, and maybe even 2025 2nd round pick from Tor

Dallas reups their draft capital while investing in an Ivey/Flagg/Lively core. Would like to use that 2nd on Tyrese Proctor from Duke. Detroit gets AD to complete a bonafide starting 5. Caleb Martin can cover minutes and make resigning THJ and Beas much less necessary.