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Magic get their veteran PG while Boston saves money for a similar player

Magic: Jrue/Suggs/Wagner/Banchero/WCJ

Celtics: Pritchard/White/Brown/Tatum/Porzingis

KCP didnt have the best season but Orlando isn't gonna take Jrues awful contract. Orlando would also need to add another 12-13mil in salary to match. For a 35yo PG with decreasing productivity, that will not be an easy contract to move.

whatever happened to the rule that fake trades have to be possible/legal?

BK_2020 wrote:whatever happened to the rule that fake trades have to be possible/legal?

What happened to using the report function?

Magic would need to move some salary out to a 3rd team, but we typically hash out details like this when responders are trying to contribute more than criticize.

Way too short on Orlando’s side, aside from contracts not adding up. KCP and Jrue Holiday are not similar players. Orlando could use a player like Holiday, but Boston will likely have better offers that include picks and/or young players.

GatherStepGuru wrote:Way too short on Orlando’s side, aside from contracts not adding up. KCP and Jrue Holiday are not similar players. Orlando could use a player like Holiday, but Boston will likely have better offers that include picks and/or young players.

Orlando could use Jrue of 4-5 years ago, not current Jrue and not saving Boston on his deal unless a lot more coming Orlando's way

Celtics would just keep Jrue Holiday if it meant trading him for KCP. I don't see the Celtics having any interest in KCP. Would have to be a third team involved.

GatherStepGuru wrote:Way too short on Orlando’s side, aside from contracts not adding up. KCP and Jrue Holiday are not similar players. Orlando could use a player like Holiday, but Boston will likely have better offers that include picks and/or young players.

Wow, I think you are massively off in Jrue's value at this point. He's a negative on his contract and boston isn't going to be getting much value back from trading him beyond just getting out of his contract. He's down to 11pg and owed $100 million over the next 3 years.

Orlando already has Suggs and Black. Why do they need another good defensive guard with suspect offense?

Billl wrote:

GatherStepGuru wrote:Way too short on Orlando’s side, aside from contracts not adding up. KCP and Jrue Holiday are not similar players. Orlando could use a player like Holiday, but Boston will likely have better offers that include picks and/or young players.

Wow, I think you are massively off in Jrue's value at this point. He's a negative on his contract and boston isn't going to be getting much value back from trading him beyond just getting out of his contract. He's down to 11pg and owed $100 million over the next 3 years.

Hes arguably the 4th or 5th option, not because of ability, but because the team has 3 younger mouths to feed and hes had his time at his peak.
Im not saying hes not overpaid; Im saying hes a different calibur of player than KCP, and I think Boston will have better offers if this was Orlandos offer.

I view KCP closer to Marcus Smart than Jrue Holiday in terms of impact and value.

tiderulz wrote:

GatherStepGuru wrote:Way too short on Orlando’s side, aside from contracts not adding up. KCP and Jrue Holiday are not similar players. Orlando could use a player like Holiday, but Boston will likely have better offers that include picks and/or young players.

Orlando could use Jrue of 4-5 years ago, not current Jrue and not saving Boston on his deal unless a lot more coming Orlando's way

Every team could still use Jrue of today. His "decline" is drastically overstated on here. He's still great and worth his salary unless you think him shooting 30% on a high volume of corner 3s one year after setting the all time record for shooting % on corner 3s also with high volume is anything more than year to year shooting variance.

Don't think he's a good fit for ORL's long term cap sheet, but any team not pushed into a tax bracket they don't want to go should be fine with him on his current salary. Potential for that to age poorly for sure, but that's why some team is going to get a still great player worth his salary for close to free.

Billl wrote:

GatherStepGuru wrote:Way too short on Orlando’s side, aside from contracts not adding up. KCP and Jrue Holiday are not similar players. Orlando could use a player like Holiday, but Boston will likely have better offers that include picks and/or young players.

Wow, I think you are massively off in Jrue's value at this point. He's a negative on his contract and boston isn't going to be getting much value back from trading him beyond just getting out of his contract. He's down to 11pg and owed $100 million over the next 3 years.

I agree that Boston isn't going to get much back for him besides getting out of his contract, but they should be able to do that without much pain through some creativity. Some think he's a negative, but many don't.

He dropped from 19.3 ppg to 12.5 when he joined Boston because his role changed dramatically - and that was with a career year from 3. This was definitely a role thing, not an ability thing. He took over the Marcus Smart role.

Last year he had a down year shooting 3s and he rested a bit more, but otherwise was the same Jrue.

I get that people don't believe that Milwaukee Jrue still exists, but I think he might, and Boston Jrue is extremely valuable too. That third year may get dicey, but I think he's good money for the next two at least.

hugepatsfan wrote:

tiderulz wrote:

GatherStepGuru wrote:Way too short on Orlando’s side, aside from contracts not adding up. KCP and Jrue Holiday are not similar players. Orlando could use a player like Holiday, but Boston will likely have better offers that include picks and/or young players.

Orlando could use Jrue of 4-5 years ago, not current Jrue and not saving Boston on his deal unless a lot more coming Orlando's way

Every team could still use Jrue of today. His "decline" is drastically overstated on here. He's still great and worth his salary unless you think him shooting 30% on a high volume of corner 3s one year after setting the all time record for shooting % on corner 3s also with high volume is anything more than year to year shooting variance.

Don't think he's a good fit for ORL's long term cap sheet, but any team not pushed into a tax bracket they don't want to go should be fine with him on his current salary. Potential for that to age poorly for sure, but that's why some team is going to get a still great player worth his salary for close to free.

sorry, i dont personally believe Jrue at 35 is worth $32mil, $35mil and $37mil the next 3 years. and he was never really a playmaker. great defensive guard and good 3 pt shooter, but always more a scoring PG. Would rather spend that money on a younger player who i dont worry is about to fall off a cliff and be untradeable more than he is. Boston would really need to sweeten this more to even consider, but even then I just dont see it

tiderulz wrote:

hugepatsfan wrote:

tiderulz wrote:Orlando could use Jrue of 4-5 years ago, not current Jrue and not saving Boston on his deal unless a lot more coming Orlando's way

Every team could still use Jrue of today. His "decline" is drastically overstated on here. He's still great and worth his salary unless you think him shooting 30% on a high volume of corner 3s one year after setting the all time record for shooting % on corner 3s also with high volume is anything more than year to year shooting variance.

Don't think he's a good fit for ORL's long term cap sheet, but any team not pushed into a tax bracket they don't want to go should be fine with him on his current salary. Potential for that to age poorly for sure, but that's why some team is going to get a still great player worth his salary for close to free.

sorry, i dont personally believe Jrue at 35 is worth $32mil, $35mil and $37mil the next 3 years. and he was never really a playmaker. great defensive guard and good 3 pt shooter, but always more a scoring PG. Would rather spend that money on a younger player who i dont worry is about to fall off a cliff and be untradeable more than he is. Boston would really need to sweeten this more to even consider, but even then I just dont see it

He was top 10 in assists two years ago

williambh3 wrote:

Billl wrote:

GatherStepGuru wrote:Way too short on Orlando’s side, aside from contracts not adding up. KCP and Jrue Holiday are not similar players. Orlando could use a player like Holiday, but Boston will likely have better offers that include picks and/or young players.

Wow, I think you are massively off in Jrue's value at this point. He's a negative on his contract and boston isn't going to be getting much value back from trading him beyond just getting out of his contract. He's down to 11pg and owed $100 million over the next 3 years.

I agree that Boston isn't going to get much back for him besides getting out of his contract, but they should be able to do that without much pain through some creativity. Some think he's a negative, but many don't.

He dropped from 19.3 ppg to 12.5 when he joined Boston because his role changed dramatically - and that was with a career year from 3. This was definitely a role thing, not an ability thing. He took over the Marcus Smart role.

Last year he had a down year shooting 3s and he rested a bit more, but otherwise was the same Jrue.

I get that people don't believe that Milwaukee Jrue still exists, but I think he might, and Boston Jrue is extremely valuable too. That third year may get dicey, but I think he's good money for the next two at least.

Jrue valuable...yes. but not for his money

tiderulz wrote:

williambh3 wrote:

Billl wrote:
Wow, I think you are massively off in Jrue's value at this point. He's a negative on his contract and boston isn't going to be getting much value back from trading him beyond just getting out of his contract. He's down to 11pg and owed $100 million over the next 3 years.

I agree that Boston isn't going to get much back for him besides getting out of his contract, but they should be able to do that without much pain through some creativity. Some think he's a negative, but many don't.

He dropped from 19.3 ppg to 12.5 when he joined Boston because his role changed dramatically - and that was with a career year from 3. This was definitely a role thing, not an ability thing. He took over the Marcus Smart role.

Last year he had a down year shooting 3s and he rested a bit more, but otherwise was the same Jrue.

I get that people don't believe that Milwaukee Jrue still exists, but I think he might, and Boston Jrue is extremely valuable too. That third year may get dicey, but I think he's good money for the next two at least.

Jrue valuable...yes. but not for his money

Agree…if it was even just one less guaranteed year, it gets to maybe….but that’s a lot of wear on those tires for that financial commitment. If he’s not drinking Tiger Blood like Lebron, this could get really ugly

Legality aside, Jrue is too good to be traded for KCP.