Combining Recent Draft Rumors (NOP/PHI/SAS)

[ProcessDoctor]

NOP out: #7 (Knueppel), Jones, 2026 IND 1st (top-4 protected)
NOP in: #3 (Bailey), Barnes

Why? Multiple rumors of Dumars wanting to trade up for Ace, gets his guy.

PHI out: #3 (Bailey), 2029 LAC/PHI 1st swap (SAS receives best, PHI middle, LAC worst)
PHI in: #2 (Harper)

Why? Rumors of PHI trading up to #2. Morey trades up for a lead guard next to Maxey.

SAS out: #2 (Harper), Barnes
SAS in: #7 (Knueppel), Jones, 2026 IND 1st (top-4 protected), 2029 LAC/PHI 1st swap (SAS receives best, PHI middle, LAC worst)

Why? Get an excellent freshman who fits, a good role player, and additional future assets.

[Godaddycurse]

NOP cut out Philly and add a pick to get harper themselves

[ProcessDoctor]

NOP cut out Philly and add a pick to get harper themselves

They want Ace though...if they want Harper, I'd agree.

[Texas Chuck]

Feels light to move from 3 to 2. Then you ask the Spurs to move all the way back to 7 to mask that a bit I guess? Now if the Spurs have no interest in Harper they might trade out, but in the absence of that info this feels light for them. Just don't think you can move up for Harper for just a pick swap 4 years from now.

[ReggiesKnicks]

NOP cut out Philly and add a pick to get harper themselves

They want Ace though...if they want Harper, I'd agree.

They want Ace because they aren't at #2. If all it takes to get from #2 to #3 is a 2029 Swap, New Orleans just adds the needed value themselves for #2.

[ProcessDoctor]

NOP cut out Philly and add a pick to get harper themselves

They want Ace though...if they want Harper, I'd agree.

They want Ace because they aren't at #2. If all it takes to get from #2 to #3 is a 2029 Swap, New Orleans just adds the needed value themselves for #2.

Have you seen this anywhere?

[Jojothewhale]

I don't think you can even get involved in the serious negotiations if you're unwilling to put the '28 Unprotected Clippers pick into the pot.

[Texas Chuck]

Have you seen this anywhere?

How many teams would you believe preferred Ace to Harper if the value difference to get Harper is this little? I might put that number at 0. I can't put it firmly at 0 because maybe there is a team or two who really believe in Ace, but my default without info is no team would play their part in this deal without adding a little bit more value and getting Harper.

[ReggiesKnicks]

They want Ace though...if they want Harper, I'd agree.

They want Ace because they aren't at #2. If all it takes to get from #2 to #3 is a 2029 Swap, New Orleans just adds the needed value themselves for #2.

Have you seen this anywhere?

Where did you see they want Ace?

[babyjax13]

I don't think a swap is sufficient to move from 3 to 2.

[ProcessDoctor]

They want Ace because they aren't at #2. If all it takes to get from #2 to #3 is a 2029 Swap, New Orleans just adds the needed value themselves for #2.

Have you seen this anywhere?

Where did you see they want Ace?

One team could be the New Orleans Pelicans. They hold the No. 7 pick in the draft and a lot of tradeable players as New Orleans looks to move into the next chapter of its franchise after a few down years. Kevin O'Connor of Yahoo! Sports offered this on the matter:

I’ve heard the Pelicans at number seven like Ace Bailey. (Executive Vice President of Basketball Operations) Joe Dumars there, sounds like he really likes Ace Bailey. Could try to trade up to No. 3 to Philly or No. 4 with Charlotte. That to me is the best-case scenario for the Sixers. You trade down from 3 to 7, New Orleans gets their guy.

https://sports.yahoo.com/article/could-pelicans-potential-trade-partner-141728735.html

[ReggiesKnicks]

Have you seen this anywhere?

Where did you see they want Ace?

One team could be the New Orleans Pelicans. They hold the No. 7 pick in the draft and a lot of tradeable players as New Orleans looks to move into the next chapter of its franchise after a few down years. Kevin O'Connor of Yahoo! Sports offered this on the matter:

I’ve heard the Pelicans at number seven like Ace Bailey. (Executive Vice President of Basketball Operations) Joe Dumars there, sounds like he really likes Ace Bailey. Could try to trade up to No. 3 to Philly or No. 4 with Charlotte. That to me is the best-case scenario for the Sixers. You trade down from 3 to 7, New Orleans gets their guy.

https://sports.yahoo.com/article/could-pelicans-potential-trade-partner-141728735.html

There is an obvious piece you are missing here.

If all it took to get to #2 was a swap, New Orleans does it.

The price between #2 and #3 is obviously much larger in real life than a swap, which is why New Orleans is contemplating moving to #3 and not #2.

[wolves_89]

I don't think a pick swap comes anywhere close to getting from #3 to #2 in this draft due to the significant drop off after Harper. I also don't think the player value difference between #3 and #7 gets both Jones and a future 1st, I'm not sure that I'd add Jones by himself to move up when the talent is fairly even in the #3-#7 range.

[ProcessDoctor]

Where did you see they want Ace?

One team could be the New Orleans Pelicans. They hold the No. 7 pick in the draft and a lot of tradeable players as New Orleans looks to move into the next chapter of its franchise after a few down years. Kevin O'Connor of Yahoo! Sports offered this on the matter:

I’ve heard the Pelicans at number seven like Ace Bailey. (Executive Vice President of Basketball Operations) Joe Dumars there, sounds like he really likes Ace Bailey. Could try to trade up to No. 3 to Philly or No. 4 with Charlotte. That to me is the best-case scenario for the Sixers. You trade down from 3 to 7, New Orleans gets their guy.

https://sports.yahoo.com/article/could-pelicans-potential-trade-partner-141728735.html

There is an obvious piece you are missing here.

If all it took to get to #2 was a swap, New Orleans does it.

The price between #2 and #3 is obviously much larger in real life than a swap, which is why New Orleans is contemplating moving to #3 and not #2.

I get what you're saying, but if they aren't targeting Harper then it's moot. I don't know that they wouldn't target Harper, I'm just going off what's out there. Maybe they would pay even extra to get Harper, IDK. They just haven't been linked to him up to this point.

[Texas Chuck]

I get what you're saying, but if they aren't targeting Harper then it's moot. I don't know that they wouldn't target Harper, I'm just going off what's out there. Maybe they would pay even extra to get Harper, IDK. They just haven't been linked to him up to this point.

Okay now explain why New Orleans has to pay more to get from 7 to 3 than Philly does from 3 to 2 when the value gap is larger between 2 and 3 than 3 and 7.

I'm willing to play along with your required assumption that they don't want Harper but their choice of everyone after him(Ace or someone else). But I need help with why Philly is benefiting like this.

[williambh3]

I think the assumption is that Harper is pretty unobtainable. Something like this could tempt San Antonio though.

NOP
Jones, #7, IND 2026
Keldon, #3

PHI
#3, LAC 2028, PHI 2030
#2

SAS
Keldon, #2
Jones, #7, IND 2026, LAC 2028, PHI 2030

[ReggiesKnicks]

https://sports.yahoo.com/article/could-pelicans-potential-trade-partner-141728735.html

There is an obvious piece you are missing here.

If all it took to get to #2 was a swap, New Orleans does it.

The price between #2 and #3 is obviously much larger in real life than a swap, which is why New Orleans is contemplating moving to #3 and not #2.

I get what you're saying, but if they aren't targeting Harper then it's moot. I don't know that they wouldn't target Harper, I'm just going off what's out there. Maybe they would pay even extra to get Harper, IDK. They just haven't been linked to him up to this point.

The point is if all it takes is a swap in 4 years, we can assume teams would do it given the difference in prospects.

[Jojothewhale]

The one possible way you can get from 3 to 2 cheaply on the relative scale is if San Antonio is dead set on taking one specific guy (probably Bailey). We have none of the info necessary to say that, so we can't. I'm just trying to think of any scenario where that could even theoretically happen. That means it can't involve another team by definition.

Otherwise it would cost an arm and half of a leg. This is the case 98%+ of the time.

[Texas Chuck]

The one possible way you can get from 3 to 2 cheaply on the relative scale is if San Antonio is dead set on taking one specific guy (probably Bailey). We have none of the info necessary to say that, so we can't. I'm just trying to think of any scenario where that could even theoretically happen. That means it can't involve another team by definition.

Otherwise it would cost an arm and half of a leg. This is the case 98%+ of the time.

Let's pretend Dirk is in this draft. And much like in his actual draft only one team really knows enough about him(I know Pitino claimed in hindsight to be taking him for Boston, but...) so you feel confident you still get the best player in the draft at 7.

And Philly was calling you about 2. And New Orleans was calling Philly about 3.

You would extract max value from Philly for them to move from 3 to do, not let New Orleans pay on their behalf. Then you would call and extract value from the Pels to move from 7 to 3 on top of it.

Again, this scenario feels far fetched as there aren't hidden players like Dirk these days, but even in the required scenario, the Spurs would walk away with more extra stuff than this.

[One_and_Done]

Horrific for the Spurs. I don't see them trading the #2 at all.