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Trade works on spotrac, and is essentially combining two deals I'd like to see the Celtic's make. The first is the obvious Jrue to DAL trade, and the 2nd is White to HOU for Reed, #11, and Brooks. I don't think the 2nd trade is realistic, but still think HOU can be a middle man team who would like to pick up some solid vets.

Celtics in- Gafford, Hardy, and Reed Sheppard

Dallas in- Jrue and #28

Hou in- PJ Washington and Hauser and BOS 2026 Swap or #32

The Celtics save 11.5 mil, given that they are trading Hauser into an exception. Reed and Hardy are cost controlled contracts for a while, and if they don't want to bring Gaff back, he expires at the end of the year. Reed is obviously the big win here, and I like him on this team given his athleticism and shooting ability. Celtics get a center to hopefully replace KP, and a nice bench scorer in Hardy. All these dudes play well without Tatum, and with him next year. All they need to do is trade KP for a solid 3/4 swing and the team is ready to go.

Gafford- Al - Queta
Kp- Baylor (Tatum)
Brown
White- Hardy
Reed- PP

Solid rotation.

DAL gets their defensive PG that can move to SG when KI comes back, and gives them a solid veteran nucleus to surround Flagg with. The Jrue idea has been beaten to death, so I won't go into it too much, but in this scenario the Celtics throw them #28 because we are taking back Hardy who does have SRP value. This gives them another player on Coopers timeline, and aligns all their big contracts with rookie deals. Hardy PJ and Gafford have all been replaced in the rotation with MAx, Flagg, and AD, so turning all of them into Jrue is obviously a solid move. His contract really isn't that bad, especially if Flagg is as good as people say, he is cost controlled throughout all of it. This also gives them another FRP to potentially get off of Klay, Naji, or Martins contracts, which would be the next logical step.

Lively- #28
AD- Martin
Flagg- Klay
Max- Naji
Jrue- Dinwiddie (Kyrie)

HOU is giving up the best prospect, but they are getting a versatile wing in PG, and most importantly they are finally getting some shooters on that roster. Hauser is one of the best shooters in the NBA, and PJ is also a solid guy from behind the arc. They don't blow any assets on a potential superstar trade, and make it easier to add someone like Amen or Jabari to a deal for a legit star player. The only part of this deal that I question would be a pick swap with the Celtics or giving them #32. The swap might be too much, and that asset might have to go to DAL, I just value Reed more than most, and still think he has that #3 pick aura. Hauser has FRP value to me given his contract and shooting/experience, and PJ also has solid value to me as a 2way swing, so maybe they think that's enough and #32 goes to DAL to help offload a contract. Either way, HOU's involvment in this would be to bring in a difference maker using Brooks, Jabari, Cam, and other pieces. People have speculated Trae, KD, Giannis, ect. We'll see, but this trade gives them the shooting they need, experience, and still the ability to make more moves if need be. They need to consolidate for a guard obviously, but they have the assets to do it, and still have a lottery pick in a stacked guard draft.

Sengun- Jabari
Amen- PJ
Brooks- Hauser- Cam
Green- Tari
FVV- #11

I mean this is a pretty different Jrue trade than the norm. Not sure Dallas gives up both Washington and Gafford for Jrue? Nor if 28 and dumping Hardy is enough to level out the value.

Sheppard and Gafford are Derrick White return, not Jrue.
Both Texas teams are overpaying here.

Very confused here with the White to HOU reference. Sounds like you want your cake and to eat it too, where you want the prospect they'd give up for White but also want to keep White. Life don't work like that.

You have DAL overpaying for Jrue with both PJ and Gafford to help make up for it. Honestly, the same stupid logic that led to them trading Luka for AD could very well lead to them trading PJ/Gafford for Jrue because it involves the same lack of awareness about how old players decline, but I don't like to propose deals based on the idea one GM will be dumb, even if he's already proven that, because it just isn't productive.

Honestly I still have no interest in Jrue at this price, if Mavs are moving PJ/Gaff, they should get better draft compensation than a late 1st.

shi-woo wrote:Trade works on spotrac, and is essentially combining two deals I'd like to see the Celtic's make. The first is the obvious Jrue to DAL trade, and the 2nd is White to HOU for Reed, #11, and Brooks. I don't think the 2nd trade is realistic, but still think HOU can be a middle man team who would like to pick up some solid vets.

Celtics in- Gafford, Hardy, and Reed Sheppard

Dallas in- Jrue and #28

Hou in- PJ Washington and Hauser and BOS 2026 Swap or #32

The Celtics save 11.5 mil, given that they are trading Hauser into an exception. Reed and Hardy are cost controlled contracts for a while, and if they don't want to bring Gaff back, he expires at the end of the year. Reed is obviously the big win here, and I like him on this team given his athleticism and shooting ability. Celtics get a center to hopefully replace KP, and a nice bench scorer in Hardy. All these dudes play well without Tatum, and with him next year. All they need to do is trade KP for a solid 3/4 swing and the team is ready to go.

Gafford- Al - Queta
Kp- Baylor (Tatum)
Brown
White- Hardy
Reed- PP

Solid rotation.

DAL gets their defensive PG that can move to SG when KI comes back, and gives them a solid veteran nucleus to surround Flagg with. The Jrue idea has been beaten to death, so I won't go into it too much, but in this scenario the Celtics throw them #28 because we are taking back Hardy who does have SRP value. This gives them another player on Coopers timeline, and aligns all their big contracts with rookie deals. Hardy PJ and Gafford have all been replaced in the rotation with MAx, Flagg, and AD, so turning all of them into Jrue is obviously a solid move. His contract really isn't that bad, especially if Flagg is as good as people say, he is cost controlled throughout all of it. This also gives them another FRP to potentially get off of Klay, Naji, or Martins contracts, which would be the next logical step.

Lively- #28
AD- Martin
Flagg- Klay
Max- Naji
Jrue- Dinwiddie (Kyrie)

HOU is giving up the best prospect, but they are getting a versatile wing in PG, and most importantly they are finally getting some shooters on that roster. Hauser is one of the best shooters in the NBA, and PJ is also a solid guy from behind the arc. They don't blow any assets on a potential superstar trade, and make it easier to add someone like Amen or Jabari to a deal for a legit star player. The only part of this deal that I question would be a pick swap with the Celtics or giving them #32. The swap might be too much, and that asset might have to go to DAL, I just value Reed more than most, and still think he has that #3 pick aura. Hauser has FRP value to me given his contract and shooting/experience, and PJ also has solid value to me as a 2way swing, so maybe they think that's enough and #32 goes to DAL to help offload a contract. Either way, HOU's involvment in this would be to bring in a difference maker using Brooks, Jabari, Cam, and other pieces. People have speculated Trae, KD, Giannis, ect. We'll see, but this trade gives them the shooting they need, experience, and still the ability to make more moves if need be. They need to consolidate for a guard obviously, but they have the assets to do it, and still have a lottery pick in a stacked guard draft.

Sengun- Jabari
Amen- PJ
Brooks- Hauser- Cam
Green- Tari
FVV- #11

White is traded for Reed, but he's still on the Celtics roster? Is he Schrödinger's (White) Cat?

interesting takes, and thanks for the feedback even if bringing up how I came to the idea (the White trade) seems to have confused a few posters White for Reed Brooks and #11 is a singular trade I would made on it's own if available, not part of this trade. I just took aspects of that trade and added them to the Jrue to DAL trade.

The idea behind all these moves as mentioned would be because all the teams involved have follow up moves to them. For HOU and DAL while the value might not be just right (it's not that far off unless you like Reed as much as I do, which most dont), Celtics are the ones providing the draft capital to help them get off of other contracts/to use in a trade. Value is never going to be perfect in that sense, and moves would be judged by the end product. Not many people were doing backflips when Celtics traded Wally, West, Gomes, and #5 for an injured Ray Allen. Then we traded for KG and it was one of the trades of the century...Look at the difference in perspectives on the DAL trades lately, it's been a roller coaster ride, all based on what they turned into, not what they were at the time

DAL would be best served to move Naji or Klay and if they were able to do that while bringing in an asset, while using the Celtic's picks to do it, that has to also be taken into consideration. I also think having a team full of dudes that everyone knows are on the block also limits the value. Idk it just doesn't seem the high asking price for dudes like Gafford and PJ when they both are going to need new contracts and are what they are. Both don't have a place on the team either right now, and it would cost an asset to get rid of Hardy. I would view this trade similar to trading DLo for Wiggins. An expirering you know you don't want for a better player signed longer who fits the team. Again everyone laughed at that trade and Wigs contract till they didn't.

As for HOU like I said it would only make sense with a bigger move for a guard that involved Brooks/Jabari. I personally think it's solid value for Reed just as is. If they did make a move using Brooks/Bari for someone like Fox Garland or Trae, their part in this trade makes more sense.

I agree that I think #32 should probably be going to DAL to help move Klay/Naji, and think facilitating that as well as taking on the bad deal of Hardy is enough to offset the 1 potentially bad year in the Jrue deal. I get wanting to get more draft capital, the starting 5 is already locked up in DAL for the next 3 years, and no player you bring in for PJ/Gafford is going to be near the level of Jrue, and won't start. I think it's a solid consolidation trade honestly, which also allows DAL to either get a few cheap cost controlled dudes or move off from anther bad contract.

What would need to be added to the HOU side? I get holding onto Reed for an upgrade at guard trade, but hypothetically they make the Brook/Jabari trade, what is Reeds value? Is it that much more than PJ, Hauser and a pick?

All these teams are looking to win their conference and compete for a title, so I'm not sure how much extra draft capital teams would really be looking to get out of these type of deals and improve their rotations

I don't value PJ Washington at all.

Hauser is more interesting, but not at this cost. Would not move Reed in any of these deals

I would put value in Hauser as dropping slots in the draft, so MAYBE something like

Houston: Hauser + late teens #1
Boston: #10
3rd team: Something from Boston to give up late teens #1