Scenario: Knicks trade Towns for Durant... What's the follow up trade?

[Dr Positivity]

I personally like the idea of Suns doing Durant for Towns getting a stable all-star big man and Booker's friend. Knicks could go for the win now move (and sneakily dumping Towns contract) but Hart, Bridges, OG, and Durant is too many wings with no true big. I think trading one of Bridges/Hart/OG makes sense at that point. Any ideas for a move?

[ReggiesKnicks]

The latest report we have is its Houston, Minnesota and Miami leading the brigade for Kevin Durant and in a tier of their own for favorites to land the Hall of Famer.

OG is the most valuable asset.
Hart is the person closest to Brunson on a personal level, and I think this matters more than most want to admit.
Bridges is the easiest to trade due to salary matching.

[Astaluego]

Knicks
In: Gobert
Out: Bridges/Robinson

Brunson/Hart/OG/KD/Gobert

best quintet in the league?

WOLVES
In:Reaves/Robinson/Knecht
Out: Gobert

You get the creator you need with Ant in the long run, they improve depth and get younger.

LAKERS
In: Bridges
Out:Reaves/Knecht/Milton

They get Luka an ideal partner

[taikibansei]

The KD-KAT trade has been posited here umpteenth times. There is no real upside for the Knicks in trading KAT for KD--e.g., KD is not really better than KAT at this point in their careers and KD is not going to give us a break on his max extension demands (so "sneakily dumping Towns contract" doesn't work either). It's a lateral move at best, and only warranted if rumors of serious issues between KAT and the other starters are true.

Regarding follow-up trades, I don't see how we can discuss these trades without a coach (heck, even coaching candidates) in place, That said, Hart fills several needs and is cheap--but will likely not be traded because of his relationship with Brunson. OG is our best defender--we'd need far more back for him than any other team would likely give us.

That leaves Mikal Bridges, who by all accounts just capped a mediocre season by helping to get his coach fired (and will want his own extension soon). Yeah, he'll bring back a lot....

I'd rather keep KAT than worry about all of this.

[nykballa2k4]

I personally like the idea of Suns doing Durant for Towns getting a stable all-star big man and Booker's friend. Knicks could go for the win now move (and sneakily dumping Towns contract) but Hart, Bridges, OG, and Durant is too many wings with no true big. I think trading one of Bridges/Hart/OG makes sense at that point. Any ideas for a move?

The hardest part about it s that we have to know what our coach will be so that we know what we are going to need roster-wise.
Mitch/FA/Huk
OG/Precious(or FA)
KD/Hart/Pac
Bridges/Deuce/McCullar
Brunson/Kolek/Payne? Shamet?

I mean we need to add size, but there are affordable options out there for the depth pieces we are seeking.

FWIW, what pick value would OKC give in addition to returning Hartenstein to us for OG?

[Astaluego]

I personally like the idea of Suns doing Durant for Towns getting a stable all-star big man and Booker's friend. Knicks could go for the win now move (and sneakily dumping Towns contract) but Hart, Bridges, OG, and Durant is too many wings with no true big. I think trading one of Bridges/Hart/OG makes sense at that point. Any ideas for a move?

The hardest part about it s that we have to know what our coach will be so that we know what we are going to need roster-wise.
Mitch/FA/Huk
OG/Precious(or FA)
KD/Hart/Pac
Bridges/Deuce/McCullar
Brunson/Kolek/Payne? Shamet?

I mean we need to add size, but there are affordable options out there for the depth pieces we are seeking.

FWIW, what pick value would OKC give in addition to returning Hartenstein to us for OG?

OG's contract would put the Thunder in a big financial mess, especially because of its duration, which overlaps with the extensions of J. Williams and Holdrem.

[LarsV8]

I mean this is kinda of the fallacy of building around around a foundation that isnt good enough to be #1 on a championship team.

You can rotate the players and the coaches, but unless you get a better top end, don't think it matters.

[ChettheJet]

The hardest part about it s that we have to know what our coach will be so that we know what we are going to need roster-wise.
Mitch/FA/Huk
OG/Precious(or FA)
KD/Hart/Pac
Bridges/Deuce/McCullar
Brunson/Kolek/Payne? Shamet?

I mean we need to add size, but there are affordable options out there for the depth pieces we are seeking.

FWIW, what pick value would OKC give in addition to returning Hartenstein to us for OG?

Yes the first order of business is finding a coach and what does he want to do. He's not just going to be a Thibs clone and even if it's NYC the organization isn't going to expect the one change to make for a quick trip to the Finals. I looked at that depth chart and were I a Knicks fan I wouldn't want to start the season relying on Robinson for more than 50 games.

It's not the big name sexy move, that's all some people can ever come up with. I'll say it and already know everybody will start screaming about no defense, so skip it. The expiring Nikola Vucevic for the expiring Mikal Bridges. The Knicks can start Hart at the 2, They both can hope for new contracts next summer, and both sides see if their new guy is worth keeping. Bridges won't be cheap, Vuc can't ask for another $21M or just let him go. Say what you want, people said he had a bad year, 18.5 and 10 boards, shot .405 from behind the arc, hasn't missed but a few games with the Bulls in 5 years.

Bridges starts at the 3 across from Buzelis, he can play every game if he wants but he doesn't need to play 37 Thibs minutes. Does he think CHI becomes a winner, does he not care and just wants a big contract and leaves, whatever, that's the Bulls' gamble.

[nykballa2k4]

The hardest part about it s that we have to know what our coach will be so that we know what we are going to need roster-wise.
Mitch/FA/Huk
OG/Precious(or FA)
KD/Hart/Pac
Bridges/Deuce/McCullar
Brunson/Kolek/Payne? Shamet?

I mean we need to add size, but there are affordable options out there for the depth pieces we are seeking.

FWIW, what pick value would OKC give in addition to returning Hartenstein to us for OG?

Yes the first order of business is finding a coach and what does he want to do. He's not just going to be a Thibs clone and even if it's NYC the organization isn't going to expect the one change to make for a quick trip to the Finals. I looked at that depth chart and were I a Knicks fan I wouldn't want to start the season relying on Robinson for more than 50 games.

It's not the big name sexy move, that's all some people can ever come up with. I'll say it and already know everybody will start screaming about no defense, so skip it. The expiring Nikola Vucevic for the expiring Mikal Bridges. The Knicks can start Hart at the 2, They both can hope for new contracts next summer, and both sides see if their new guy is worth keeping. Bridges won't be cheap, Vuc can't ask for another $21M or just let him go. Say what you want, people said he had a bad year, 18.5 and 10 boards, shot .405 from behind the arc, hasn't missed but a few games with the Bulls in 5 years.

Bridges starts at the 3 across from Buzelis, he can play every game if he wants but he doesn't need to play 37 Thibs minutes. Does he think CHI becomes a winner, does he not care and just wants a big contract and leaves, whatever, that's the Bulls' gamble.

FWIW, I would rather turn Towns into Vuc and assets than turn Bridges into Vuc.
Vuc
Durant
OG
Hart
Brunson

that group is not doing much. Basically a slight step up from what he had in PHX.

[cgf]

Brunson, Bridges, and Anunoby for picks.

[nykballa2k4]

Brunson, Bridges, and Anunoby for picks.

Welcome to NYKyrie on a max with no legs.

Is it weird that I like KAT on the suns more than I like Durant on the Knicks?

[cgf]

Brunson, Bridges, and Anunoby for picks.

Welcome to NYKyrie on a max with no legs.

Is it weird that I like KAT on the suns more than I like Durant on the Knicks?

Not at all, towns is the better player and he's not nearing retirement.

[oldncreaky]

Brunson, Bridges, and Anunoby for picks.

Welcome to NYKyrie on a max with no legs.

Is it weird that I like KAT on the suns more than I like Durant on the Knicks?

Not at all, towns is the better player and he's not nearing retirement.

Just curious as I think both of you post some pretty reasonable takes on your team . . .

Knowing what you know now, if you had an "Undo" button for the KAT for Randle+DDV trade last summer, would you press the button and undo it?

[nykballa2k4]

Welcome to NYKyrie on a max with no legs.

Is it weird that I like KAT on the suns more than I like Durant on the Knicks?

Not at all, towns is the better player and he's not nearing retirement.

Just curious as I think both of you post some pretty reasonable takes on your team . . .

Knowing what you know now, if you had an "Undo" button for the KAT for Randle+DDV trade last summer, would you press the button and undo it?

No. But I would smash the "undo" button on both the Bogdonovic trade and the Bridges trade.

[cgf]

Welcome to NYKyrie on a max with no legs.

Is it weird that I like KAT on the suns more than I like Durant on the Knicks?

Not at all, towns is the better player and he's not nearing retirement.

Just curious as I think both of you post some pretty reasonable takes on your team . . .

Knowing what you know now, if you had an "Undo" button for the KAT for Randle+DDV trade last summer, would you press the button and undo it?

I don’t know. I’m a notorious Randle fan and thought we could’ve beaten Boston last year if we had been fully healthy…and pursued Caruso instead of bogdanovic…but that’s not how things played out. I do still like Randle a lot and given how banged up our bench was last year, Donte would’ve helped a lot…but I dunno.

I’m not as down on this team as some and if we could get a good backup rim protector…so we could start Mitch again and basically just go back to the formula we used last year only with KAT replacing Julius at the 4 & Mikal replacing DDV at the 2…I’d like our chances next season. Assuming we didn’t hire a bad coach to replace Thibs.

Injuries killed our depth last year but Robinson/Hart & McBride are both excellent bench guys. Shamet’s a player when his shot is falling. Precious can eat regular season minutes next to KAT. And I’d like to bring Wright back to battle for the backup PG spot.

It helps that I like our rookies in the long run…McCullar in particular looks close to contributing, but Kolek can create well already and Hukporti might become that Mitch insurance in time.

So ask me again after this offseason lol. If we can snag the next Hartenstein / Bitadze, bring back Shamet, and Kolek starts hitting his 3s at the nba level, I’ll feel really good about this team’s chances with some more time to gel.

I spent all season saying I was waiting to see us with KAT next to Robinson and loved what we saw once we finally did. Just need to hedge against Mitch not pulling a Camby and suddenly becoming an Ironman

[cgf]

Not at all, towns is the better player and he's not nearing retirement.

Just curious as I think both of you post some pretty reasonable takes on your team . . .

Knowing what you know now, if you had an "Undo" button for the KAT for Randle+DDV trade last summer, would you press the button and undo it?

No. But I would smash the "undo" button on both the Bogdonovic trade and the Bridges trade.

I called it the Burks trade from day one for a reason. So with you there. Grimes instead would’ve been great while Shamet was banged up…Nevermind if they had pursued Caruso like I wanted.

But I still love the Anunoby-Bridges combo too much to agree with the second half of this. We just need to treat Karl the way we treated Julius defensively & get a new backup 5 so we can start Robinson.

[nykballa2k4]

Just curious as I think both of you post some pretty reasonable takes on your team . . .

Knowing what you know now, if you had an "Undo" button for the KAT for Randle+DDV trade last summer, would you press the button and undo it?

No. But I would smash the "undo" button on both the Bogdonovic trade and the Bridges trade.

I called it the Burks trade from day one for a reason. So with you there. Grimes instead would’ve been great while Shamet was banged up…Nevermind if they had pursued Caruso like I wanted.

But I still love the Anunoby-Bridges combo too much to agree with the second half of this. We just need to treat Karl the way we treated Julius defensively & get a new backup 5 so we can start Robinson.

Would you rather have some combination of Donte, Grimes, 5 FRP, Fournier or Bridges? IDK if we could have swapped in Fournier and like 2 picks instead of Donte, but if we had one of Grimes/Donte and like 3-5 extra FRP at our disposal, our options for improvement would be immensely different. I will say that Bridges playing 82 games a year is an underrated part of his value.

[Knicks365247]

I wish we still had Grimes.
I wish we went after Caruso ---- dude translates to winning basketball.
I get that Mikal Bridges plays 82 games and it's underrated how much of an iron man he is, but he played best when Brunson was OUT with injury. That really tells you something about their offensive synergy. Maybe it had to do with a lack of an offensive gameplan that a new coach can develop, but I have doubts a new coach would be able to figure it out. Especially if it's someone like Taylor Jenkins or Mike Brown (who is a defensive coach).

If we somehow do trade Towns for Durant, I'd be moving Bridges vs paying him a max that his performance on the court won't match.

[doogie_hauser]

I wish we still had Grimes.
I wish we went after Caruso ---- dude translates to winning basketball.
I get that Mikal Bridges plays 82 games and it's underrated how much of an iron man he is, but he played best when Brunson was OUT with injury. That really tells you something about their offensive synergy. Maybe it had to do with a lack of an offensive gameplan that a new coach can develop, but I have doubts a new coach would be able to figure it out. Especially if it's someone like Taylor Jenkins or Mike Brown (who is a defensive coach).

If we somehow do trade Towns for Durant, I'd be moving Bridges vs paying him a max that his performance on the court won't match.

Knicks ain't getting Durant. He is taking his talents to South Beach possibly as soon by the end of this week.

[cgf]

No. But I would smash the "undo" button on both the Bogdonovic trade and the Bridges trade.

I called it the Burks trade from day one for a reason. So with you there. Grimes instead would’ve been great while Shamet was banged up…Nevermind if they had pursued Caruso like I wanted.

But I still love the Anunoby-Bridges combo too much to agree with the second half of this. We just need to treat Karl the way we treated Julius defensively & get a new backup 5 so we can start Robinson.

Would you rather have some combination of Donte, Grimes, 5 FRP, Fournier or Bridges? IDK if we could have swapped in Fournier and like 2 picks instead of Donte, but if we had one of Grimes/Donte and like 3-5 extra FRP at our disposal, our options for improvement would be immensely different. I will say that Bridges playing 82 games a year is an underrated part of his value.

I'd rather have both Grimes & Bridges.