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New Orleans outgoing

Herb Jones
Jose Alvarado
CJ McCollum

New York outgoing

Karl Anthony-Towns

New Orleans brings in the best shooting big to pair with Zion.

New York turns KAT to depth and follows up with a trade to bring in a new center.

Welcome to RealGM.

From NY perspective: I am probably higher on KAT than most. When we got him I had him as a top 10 player in the NBA. He is for sure an all-NBA talent, in his prime, on a locked in deal. That's a pretty big asset.
This package, even with multiple first round picks added in still comes up short because it doesn't help our team with what we need at all.

For Pelicans -- while this is an absolute steal in terms of value actually poses an issue with fit as Zion or Towns are going to be defending anyone and Towns needs to play some 4 to be at max efficacy.

Might I suggest a re-work involving Porzingis (3 point, shot blocking)

Herb, KellyO and some of the picks stash for KP would be interesting for both sides IMO

nykballa2k4 wrote:Welcome to RealGM.

From NY perspective: I am probably higher on KAT than most. When we got him I had him as a top 10 player in the NBA. He is for sure an all-NBA talent, in his prime, on a locked in deal. That's a pretty big asset.
This package, even with multiple first round picks added in still comes up short because it doesn't help our team with what we need at all.

For Pelicans -- while this is an absolute steal in terms of value actually poses an issue with fit as Zion or Towns are going to be defending anyone and Towns needs to play some 4 to be at max efficacy.

Might I suggest a re-work involving Porzingis (3 point, shot blocking)

Herb, KellyO and some of the picks stash for KP would be interesting for both sides IMO

I wouldn't trade Herb for Porzingus. I'd trade anyone not named Zion, Trey, Herb, Matkovic.

nykballa2k4 wrote:Welcome to RealGM.

From NY perspective: I am probably higher on KAT than most. When we got him I had him as a top 10 player in the NBA. He is for sure an all-NBA talent, in his prime, on a locked in deal. That's a pretty big asset.
This package, even with multiple first round picks added in still comes up short because it doesn't help our team with what we need at all.

For Pelicans -- while this is an absolute steal in terms of value actually poses an issue with fit as Zion or Towns are going to be defending anyone and Towns needs to play some 4 to be at max efficacy.

Might I suggest a re-work involving Porzingis (3 point, shot blocking)

Herb, KellyO and some of the picks stash for KP would be interesting for both sides IMO

We have seen the return that KP has gotten the last 2 times he was traded. Why would he now be worth much more than those trades? I think Herb can return a late lottery pick.

Are you just posting trades to f up the Pelicans?I just went trough 3 of your threads and Pelicans get screwd in all 3 of those. Is there something that i dont know?

psman2 wrote:

nykballa2k4 wrote:Welcome to RealGM.

From NY perspective: I am probably higher on KAT than most. When we got him I had him as a top 10 player in the NBA. He is for sure an all-NBA talent, in his prime, on a locked in deal. That's a pretty big asset.
This package, even with multiple first round picks added in still comes up short because it doesn't help our team with what we need at all.

For Pelicans -- while this is an absolute steal in terms of value actually poses an issue with fit as Zion or Towns are going to be defending anyone and Towns needs to play some 4 to be at max efficacy.

Might I suggest a re-work involving Porzingis (3 point, shot blocking)

Herb, KellyO and some of the picks stash for KP would be interesting for both sides IMO

We have seen the return that KP has gotten the last 2 times he was traded. Why would he now be worth much more than those trades? I think Herb can return a late lottery pick.

So you would think KellyO, IND 2026(part of the pick stash), an Herb is an overpay for KP?

FWIW, didn't history already prove that the last KP trade was an underpay (Celtics got a good deal)?

Mrakar wrote:Are you just posting trades to f up the Pelicans?I just went trough 3 of your threads and Pelicans get screwd in all 3 of those. Is there something that i dont know?

I mean this trade is EXTREMELY slanted towards the Pels. Knicks do a deal like this and there will be riots.

I posted a very similar trade(i think i did) as OP. In fact it was the exact same trade but with Yves Missi, '26 Pacers 1st & '26 NOP/MIL 1st back 2da bockers also.

nykballa2k4 wrote:

psman2 wrote:

nykballa2k4 wrote:Welcome to RealGM.

From NY perspective: I am probably higher on KAT than most. When we got him I had him as a top 10 player in the NBA. He is for sure an all-NBA talent, in his prime, on a locked in deal. That's a pretty big asset.
This package, even with multiple first round picks added in still comes up short because it doesn't help our team with what we need at all.

For Pelicans -- while this is an absolute steal in terms of value actually poses an issue with fit as Zion or Towns are going to be defending anyone and Towns needs to play some 4 to be at max efficacy.

Might I suggest a re-work involving Porzingis (3 point, shot blocking)

Herb, KellyO and some of the picks stash for KP would be interesting for both sides IMO

We have seen the return that KP has gotten the last 2 times he was traded. Why would he now be worth much more than those trades? I think Herb can return a late lottery pick.

So you would think KellyO, IND 2026(part of the pick stash), an Herb is an overpay for KP?

FWIW, didn't history already prove that the last KP trade was an underpay (Celtics got a good deal)?

No history didn't prove anything. KP since joining the Celtics as played in 61% of the regular season games. Missed most of the playoffs when they won the chip and played terrible in this years playoffs. Has some mystery illness. I think the Celtics would be lucky to get what they gave Washington for him which netted out to be an early 2nd and Tyus Jones and bad filler.

But likely they are going to be looking for money savings if they flip him so likely won't get any kind of asset out of him besides cap savings.

POR: Trey Murphy, #7, Dejounte

CHA: Scoot, Shaedon, Ayton, Matkovic, Hawkins, '26 NOP/MIL 1st

NOP: Lamelo, Bridges


then


Herb, Yves Missi, CJ, Jose, '26 Pacers 1st, '28 Pels 1st
for
Towns


Elf/Ball/Bridges/Zion/Towns
?

psman2 wrote:

nykballa2k4 wrote:

psman2 wrote:
We have seen the return that KP has gotten the last 2 times he was traded. Why would he now be worth much more than those trades? I think Herb can return a late lottery pick.

So you would think KellyO, IND 2026(part of the pick stash), an Herb is an overpay for KP?

FWIW, didn't history already prove that the last KP trade was an underpay (Celtics got a good deal)?

No history didn't prove anything. KP since joining the Celtics as played in 61% of the regular season games. Missed most of the playoffs when they won the chip and played terrible in this years playoffs. Has some mystery illness. I think the Celtics would be lucky to get what they gave Washington for him which netted out to be an early 2nd and Tyus Jones and bad filler.

But likely they are going to be looking for money savings if they flip him so likely won't get any kind of asset out of him besides cap savings.

KP has been immensely valuable for the Celtics and was a big part of their championship run. IDK if they win a ring if it's someone else.

Also, it's revisionist to act like KP was traded for a bag of doritos. This board was chastising me around the deadline for what value Smart would have in a trade. It is likely that before he got hurt, before he got exposed, he would have theoretically had a value of greater than a FRP.

KP being healthy as it relates to that illness is of course important. If it's over, then we are having a talk based on his value as a fair rebounder, but primarily a shot blocker and offensive weapon, like Bosh for the Heat. If it's lingering, then we are meandering into untradable contract because for 30M you need to play. I am making my trade suggestions based on a healhy (from illness) KP. Basically he has to be able to pass a physical.

nykballa2k4 wrote:

psman2 wrote:

nykballa2k4 wrote:So you would think KellyO, IND 2026(part of the pick stash), an Herb is an overpay for KP?

FWIW, didn't history already prove that the last KP trade was an underpay (Celtics got a good deal)?

No history didn't prove anything. KP since joining the Celtics as played in 61% of the regular season games. Missed most of the playoffs when they won the chip and played terrible in this years playoffs. Has some mystery illness. I think the Celtics would be lucky to get what they gave Washington for him which netted out to be an early 2nd and Tyus Jones and bad filler.

But likely they are going to be looking for money savings if they flip him so likely won't get any kind of asset out of him besides cap savings.

KP has been immensely valuable for the Celtics and was a big part of their championship run. IDK if they win a ring if it's someone else.

Also, it's revisionist to act like KP was traded for a bag of doritos. This board was chastising me around the deadline for what value Smart would have in a trade. It is likely that before he got hurt, before he got exposed, he would have theoretically had a value of greater than a FRP.

KP being healthy as it relates to that illness is of course important. If it's over, then we are having a talk based on his value as a fair rebounder, but primarily a shot blocker and offensive weapon, like Bosh for the Heat. If it's lingering, then we are meandering into untradable contract because for 30M you need to play. I am making my trade suggestions based on a healhy (from illness) KP. Basically he has to be able to pass a physical.

The Smart return was mostly kept by the Celtics, Smart was part of the KP trade but doesn't point to the value Washington got back. Washington got back Tyus, Gallinari, Muscala and the 35th pick. That was his value, how am I being a revisionist?

nolaPELSfan wrote:POR: Trey Murphy, #7, Dejounte

CHA: Scoot, Shaedon, Ayton, Matkovic, Hawkins, '26 NOP/MIL 1st

NOP: Lamelo, Bridges


then


Herb, Yves Missi, CJ, Jose, '26 Pacers 1st, '28 Pels 1st
for
Towns


Elf/Ball/Bridges/Zion/Towns
?

I genuinely hate this value for every team that isn't the Pelicans

psman2 wrote:

nykballa2k4 wrote:

psman2 wrote:
No history didn't prove anything. KP since joining the Celtics as played in 61% of the regular season games. Missed most of the playoffs when they won the chip and played terrible in this years playoffs. Has some mystery illness. I think the Celtics would be lucky to get what they gave Washington for him which netted out to be an early 2nd and Tyus Jones and bad filler.

But likely they are going to be looking for money savings if they flip him so likely won't get any kind of asset out of him besides cap savings.

KP has been immensely valuable for the Celtics and was a big part of their championship run. IDK if they win a ring if it's someone else.

Also, it's revisionist to act like KP was traded for a bag of doritos. This board was chastising me around the deadline for what value Smart would have in a trade. It is likely that before he got hurt, before he got exposed, he would have theoretically had a value of greater than a FRP.

KP being healthy as it relates to that illness is of course important. If it's over, then we are having a talk based on his value as a fair rebounder, but primarily a shot blocker and offensive weapon, like Bosh for the Heat. If it's lingering, then we are meandering into untradable contract because for 30M you need to play. I am making my trade suggestions based on a healhy (from illness) KP. Basically he has to be able to pass a physical.

The Smart return was mostly kept by the Celtics, Smart was part of the KP trade but doesn't point to the value Washington got back. Washington got back Tyus, Gallinari, Muscala and the 35th pick. That was his value, how am I being a revisionist?

To look at the value you have to look at both sides of it. What was the perceived values of those players and Boston still had to give up what they did to get KP. If Tyus Jones emerged as a legit starting point guard (there was hope he would be better than he is/was) then we are looking at that differently no?

Do you think his trade value changes if he can pass a physical or not (I assume he'd fail a physical if that illness is still impacting him)? If so, what would the difference look like?

nykballa2k4 wrote:

psman2 wrote:

nykballa2k4 wrote:KP has been immensely valuable for the Celtics and was a big part of their championship run. IDK if they win a ring if it's someone else.

Also, it's revisionist to act like KP was traded for a bag of doritos. This board was chastising me around the deadline for what value Smart would have in a trade. It is likely that before he got hurt, before he got exposed, he would have theoretically had a value of greater than a FRP.

KP being healthy as it relates to that illness is of course important. If it's over, then we are having a talk based on his value as a fair rebounder, but primarily a shot blocker and offensive weapon, like Bosh for the Heat. If it's lingering, then we are meandering into untradable contract because for 30M you need to play. I am making my trade suggestions based on a healhy (from illness) KP. Basically he has to be able to pass a physical.

The Smart return was mostly kept by the Celtics, Smart was part of the KP trade but doesn't point to the value Washington got back. Washington got back Tyus, Gallinari, Muscala and the 35th pick. That was his value, how am I being a revisionist?

To look at the value you have to look at both sides of it. What was the perceived values of those players and Boston still had to give up what they did to get KP. If Tyus Jones emerged as a legit starting point guard (there was hope he would be better than he is/was) then we are looking at that differently no?

Do you think his trade value changes if he can pass a physical or not (I assume he'd fail a physical if that illness is still impacting him)? If so, what would the difference look like?

I did look at the perceived value at the time the trade was made. Tyus was likely worth a couple 2nds at the time, especially as an expiring going to a tanking team. Danilo and Muscala were viewed as dead filler contracts and had no trade value and were dumped a few months later as part of a Det salary dump of Bagley. The 2 1sts that Memphis traded for Smart both remained with Boston. So KP was basically traded for 3 seconds in total value.

Dallas got a even worse return when they traded him. None of this is revisionist.

I think if he passes a physical the best Boston can hope to get in a very late 1st and matching salary....or less salary and some kind of 2nds that depend on the salary savings and need to spin off contracts to other teams.

If he fails a Physical then he would be treated as pure dead weight and Boston has to decide if they want to pay to get off of him.

psman2 wrote:

nykballa2k4 wrote:

psman2 wrote:
The Smart return was mostly kept by the Celtics, Smart was part of the KP trade but doesn't point to the value Washington got back. Washington got back Tyus, Gallinari, Muscala and the 35th pick. That was his value, how am I being a revisionist?

To look at the value you have to look at both sides of it. What was the perceived values of those players and Boston still had to give up what they did to get KP. If Tyus Jones emerged as a legit starting point guard (there was hope he would be better than he is/was) then we are looking at that differently no?

Do you think his trade value changes if he can pass a physical or not (I assume he'd fail a physical if that illness is still impacting him)? If so, what would the difference look like?

I did look at the perceived value at the time the trade was made. Tyus was likely worth a couple 2nds at the time, especially as an expiring going to a tanking team. Danilo and Muscala were viewed as dead filler contracts and had no trade value and were dumped a few months later as part of a Det salary dump of Bagley. The 2 1sts that Memphis traded for Smart both remained with Boston. So KP was basically traded for 3 seconds in total value.

Dallas got a even worse return when they traded him. None of this is revisionist.

I think if he passes a physical the best Boston can hope to get in a very late 1st and matching salary....or less salary and some kind of 2nds that depend on the salary savings and need to spin off contracts to other teams.

If he fails a Physical then he would be treated as pure dead weight and Boston has to decide if they want to pay to get off of him.

If that is the case, then I don't feel that they could/should move him because his on-court value is greater.
After what you guys got for Bane, if I were Boston, I would have White firmly on the block. Better way to cash out and cut salary.