Jarrett Allen to LAL with CHI

[Syko_boB]

Cavaliers

Jarrett Allen
For
Jalen Smith, Dalton Knecht & 2030 LAL 1st swap

Cleveland gets under the 2nd apron. They will pay about half the cost for the incoming players compared to Allen & they fit in quite nicely

Garland - Mitchell - Knecht - Hunter - Mobley
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Bulls

Jalen Smith & Ayo Dosonmu
For
Rui Hachimura, Shake Milton & 2031 LAL 1st (top 3 pro or extinguished)

Chicago helps facilitate the deal to obtain a 1st from LA, while adding a solid rotation piece in Rui to the foundation

Giddey - White - Buzelis - Hachimura - Vucevic
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Lakers

Rui Hachimura, Dalton Knecht, Shake Milton, 2030 swap & 2031 1st (protected)
For
Jarrett Allen & Ayo Dosonmu

LA ships out Rui along with the deadline day package + pieces to bring in their center of the future along with another long rumored target in Ayo

Reaves - Doncic - Dosonmu - James - Allen
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[DowJones]

This is awful for Cleveland.

If the Lakers want Allen, they need to make Reaves available and get a 3rd team involved.

[SlimShady83]

This is awful for Cleveland.

If the Lakers want Allen, they need to make Reaves available and get a 3rd team involved.

Anyone know if Cavs are trying to stay under the tax or going all in again and paying to contend?

I agree with trading Reaves if Allen is involved and would do it myself, because Lakers have stated they won't trade Reaves unless a top tier center is involved.

[Mavrelous]

Lakers are paying too much, Hachimura and a 1st is plenty for JAFRO.
No need fot Chicago in the deal Dosumuno doesn't have this type.of value IMO.

[pipfan]

Bulls could send the Port pick to Clev, if LA makes the 2031 pick unprotected. Gives Clev another asset for the future?

[mcfly1204]

Cleveland is trying to win, not take a step back and/or save money. This deal is DOA.

[bgrep14]

Cleveland is trying to win, not take a step back and/or save money. This deal is DOA.

It’s pretty well known the Cavs are trying to save money and get under the 2nd apron but this trade is awful for Cleveland and wouldn’t be the move to do it.

[mcfly1204]

Cleveland is trying to win, not take a step back and/or save money. This deal is DOA.

It’s pretty well known the Cavs are trying to save money and get under the 2nd apron but this trade is awful for Cleveland and wouldn’t be the move to do it.

Let's see them well-known sauces.

[jbk1234]

Why are the Bulls in this trade?

[nykballa2k4]

Cavaliers

Jarrett Allen
For
Jalen Smith, Dalton Knecht & 2030 LAL 1st swap

Cleveland gets under the 2nd apron. They will pay about half the cost for the incoming players compared to Allen & they fit in quite nicely

Garland - Mitchell - Knecht - Hunter - Mobley
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Bulls

Jalen Smith & Ayo Dosonmu
For
Rui Hachimura, Shake Milton & 2031 LAL 1st (top 3 pro or extinguished)

Chicago helps facilitate the deal to obtain a 1st from LA, while adding a solid rotation piece in Rui to the foundation

Giddey - White - Buzelis - Hachimura - Vucevic
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Lakers

Rui Hachimura, Dalton Knecht, Shake Milton, 2030 swap & 2031 1st (protected)
For
Jarrett Allen & Ayo Dosonmu

LA ships out Rui along with the deadline day package + pieces to bring in their center of the future along with another long rumored target in Ayo

Reaves - Doncic - Dosonmu - James - Allen
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Two notes: drop the protection on the pick, and incorporate Okoro going out with a rum running center at a similar price point coming back, likely at the expense of the draft asset to CLE. As someone else said, Bulls can add more as well. IF it's the POR pick, maybe they would send TimeLord to CLE and take Okoro with their own pick back?

[DowJones]

This is awful for Cleveland.

If the Lakers want Allen, they need to make Reaves available and get a 3rd team involved.

Anyone know if Cavs are trying to stay under the tax or going all in again and paying to contend?

I agree with trading Reaves if Allen is involved and would do it myself, because Lakers have stated they won't trade Reaves unless a top tier center is involved.

The Cavs wouldn’t have traded for De’Andre Hunter last year if their goal was to be under the second apron by 2026. They still have two years before the most punitive restrictions take effect, and a lot of money will come off the books by then. Cleveland is trying to compete for a title next season. I do think they would like to move Okoro and/or Dean Wade to make it easier to re-sign Jerome and Merrill

[DowJones]

Cleveland is trying to win, not take a step back and/or save money. This deal is DOA.

It’s pretty well known the Cavs are trying to save money and get under the 2nd apron but this trade is awful for Cleveland and wouldn’t be the move to do it.

No, the Cavs are not trying to get under the second apron. The Cavs are well over the 2nd apron right now. To get below it, they would have to trade Hunter into cap space and let both Jerome and Merrill walk. As things stand, they’re keeping Hunter and would like to re-sign both Merrill and Jerome. That likely won’t be possible unless they find a way to move Okoro and possibly Dean Wade.

[DowJones]

Lakers are paying too much, Hachimura and a 1st is plenty for JAFRO.
No need fot Chicago in the deal Dosumuno doesn't have this type.of value IMO.

I like Rui more than most, but Rui and a protected first isn’t even close to enough for Allen. Rui simply isn’t as good a player, and Allen fills a position the Lakers are desperate to upgrade. Plus, Rui only has one year left on his deal and will hit free agency in a year when many teams will have cap space and the free agent market is expected to be thin. Hell, the Lakers could re-sign him in 2026 with their own cap space.

Even if Cleveland is determined to move Allen—which, to be clear, there are no reports suggesting—they should be able to get more than a one-year rental of Rui and a first-round pick six years out

[Mavrelous]

Lakers are paying too much, Hachimura and a 1st is plenty for JAFRO.
No need fot Chicago in the deal Dosumuno doesn't have this type.of value IMO.

I like Rui more than most, but Rui and a protected first isn’t even close to enough for Allen. Rui simply isn’t as good a player, and Allen fills a position the Lakers are desperate to upgrade. Plus, Rui only has one year left on his deal and will hit free agency in a year when many teams will have cap space and the free agent market is expected to be thin. Hell, the Lakers could re-sign him in 2026 with their own cap space.

Even if Cleveland is determined to move Allen—which, to be clear, there are no reports suggesting—they should be able to get more than a one-year rental of Rui and a first-round pick six years out

Didn't say protected, Rui is a starting level PF and unprotected 1st is a good offer.
If Cavs want to keep Allen I understand, but if they want to trade him, then that's a fair offer.

[ReggiesKnicks]

Chicago gets a better player than they send out (Rui is clearly better than Smith/Ayo) and a high-variance 1st?

What is the basis of logic here?

[ChettheJet]

The Bulls want to trade Vucevic and not just to swap out for some other expiring not part of the future center. So trading Jalen Smith makes no sense. The expiring Hachimura isn't doing much more than taking up an $18M roster spot, why start him on his way out the door? The Bulls would MUCH rather keep Donsunmu who they know than get stuck with journeyman Milton. The Lakers 6 years from now will have at least 14 different players and maybe Luka is gone by then but they'll spend whatever it takes to be in the playoffs.

If the Bulls are in on a CLE trade Allen is their smart move

[DowJones]

Lakers are paying too much, Hachimura and a 1st is plenty for JAFRO.
No need fot Chicago in the deal Dosumuno doesn't have this type.of value IMO.

I like Rui more than most, but Rui and a protected first isn’t even close to enough for Allen. Rui simply isn’t as good a player, and Allen fills a position the Lakers are desperate to upgrade. Plus, Rui only has one year left on his deal and will hit free agency in a year when many teams will have cap space and the free agent market is expected to be thin. Hell, the Lakers could re-sign him in 2026 with their own cap space.

Even if Cleveland is determined to move Allen—which, to be clear, there are no reports suggesting—they should be able to get more than a one-year rental of Rui and a first-round pick six years out

Didn't say protected, Rui is a starting level PF and unprotected 1st is a good offer.
If Cavs want to keep Allen I understand, but if they want to trade him, then that's a fair offer.

How many playoff teams do you think Rui starts for outside of LA? I would say maybe two or three, Golden State, Miami, and the Clippers. Now, how many playoff teams would Allen start for? I would put the number at 10, with possible debates in LA (Zubac) and Minnesota (Gobert). All of that is to say Rui is a fringe starter on a good team, while Allen is a quality starter on most contenders. A first-round pick 6 years from now doesn’t come close to bridging that gap.

Add in the fact that Cleveland just won 64 games and is trying to contend now, while LA is desperate for a starting-caliber center. If the Lakers want a premium player from a contending team at a position they urgently need to fill, they should expect to pay a premium—above and beyond what the standard market value would be.

Cleveland isn’t looking to move on from Allen. He’s a very good player, started every game last season, is low-maintenance, and under contract for four more years. The team just won 64 games and is competing for an NBA title. If they were to trade Allen, it would have to be in a deal that improves the roster—and I think we can all agree Rui doesn’t do that.

[DowJones]

Chicago gets a better player than they send out (Rui is clearly better than Smith/Ayo) and a high-variance 1st?

What is the basis of logic here?

The OP is a Laker fan. I think he included the Bulls so the Lakers could pull off the Dosunmu/Shake swap at the Cavs’ expense.

[Mavrelous]

I like Rui more than most, but Rui and a protected first isn’t even close to enough for Allen. Rui simply isn’t as good a player, and Allen fills a position the Lakers are desperate to upgrade. Plus, Rui only has one year left on his deal and will hit free agency in a year when many teams will have cap space and the free agent market is expected to be thin. Hell, the Lakers could re-sign him in 2026 with their own cap space.

Even if Cleveland is determined to move Allen—which, to be clear, there are no reports suggesting—they should be able to get more than a one-year rental of Rui and a first-round pick six years out

Didn't say protected, Rui is a starting level PF and unprotected 1st is a good offer.
If Cavs want to keep Allen I understand, but if they want to trade him, then that's a fair offer.

How many playoff teams do you think Rui starts for outside of LA? I would say maybe two or three, Golden State, Miami, and the Clippers. Now, how many playoff teams would Allen start for? I would put the number at 10, with possible debates in LA (Zubac) and Minnesota (Gobert). All of that is to say Rui is a fringe starter on a good team, while Allen is a quality starter on most contenders. A first-round pick 6 years from now doesn’t come close to bridging that gap.

Add in the fact that Cleveland just won 64 games and is trying to contend now, while LA is desperate for a starting-caliber center. If the Lakers want a premium player from a contending team at a position they urgently need to fill, they should expect to pay a premium—above and beyond what the standard market value would be.

Cleveland isn’t looking to move on from Allen. He’s a very good player, started every game last season, is low-maintenance, and under contract for four more years. The team just won 64 games and is competing for an NBA title. If they were to trade Allen, it would have to be in a deal that improves the roster—and I think we can all agree Rui doesn’t do that.

I don't like the leverage game, I prefer to value players according to their on court value and contract status.
Allen is a role player, unprotected 1st is a valuable asset, matching money of starting level PF is his value.
If you want to compare, find a team that is willing to give better offer than this.

[DowJones]

Didn't say protected, Rui is a starting level PF and unprotected 1st is a good offer.
If Cavs want to keep Allen I understand, but if they want to trade him, then that's a fair offer.

How many playoff teams do you think Rui starts for outside of LA? I would say maybe two or three, Golden State, Miami, and the Clippers. Now, how many playoff teams would Allen start for? I would put the number at 10, with possible debates in LA (Zubac) and Minnesota (Gobert). All of that is to say Rui is a fringe starter on a good team, while Allen is a quality starter on most contenders. A first-round pick 6 years from now doesn’t come close to bridging that gap.

Add in the fact that Cleveland just won 64 games and is trying to contend now, while LA is desperate for a starting-caliber center. If the Lakers want a premium player from a contending team at a position they urgently need to fill, they should expect to pay a premium—above and beyond what the standard market value would be.

Cleveland isn’t looking to move on from Allen. He’s a very good player, started every game last season, is low-maintenance, and under contract for four more years. The team just won 64 games and is competing for an NBA title. If they were to trade Allen, it would have to be in a deal that improves the roster—and I think we can all agree Rui doesn’t do that.

I don't like the leverage game, I prefer to value players according to their on court value and contract status.
Allen is a role player, unprotected 1st is a valuable asset, matching money of starting level PF is his value.
If you want to compare, find a team that is willing to give better offer than this.

Are you aware of how much better Allen is than Rui? I’m not trying to be condescending. Allen plays in the East and you are a Dallas fan, so it’s possible you haven’t seen much Cavs basketball. Maybe you mostly watch the Mavs and national games, which would give you more exposure to Rui. But if you look at their advanced stats, it’s not even close—Allen is on a different level. I can post them if you want, but I suggest you take a look for yourself.

As far as whether or not the Cavs could do better, I obviously think they can, but that isn't the point. The Cavs won 64 games last year. Allen is locked into a reasonable deal for 4 more seasons. Allen isn't demanding out. The Cavs aren't looking to dump him.