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I saw a report that Philly was interested in Harper. Bailey would make sense in SA. They could use a wing scorer

SA sends #2 to Sixers
Sixers send #3, Clippers 2028 1st (unprotected-high value asset) and Adem Bona to SA

Sixers get their guy. I don't see it, since they have Maxey/McCain/Grimes already for a young backcourt, but that's what the report says

SA gets a high ceiling 3 man, a great future 1st and Bona (I think this is the guy I'm thinking of, who looked good when I saw him).

Is that enough for SA? Sixers also have swap rights for the Clip 2029 1st (top 3 protected), SA could get a swap for that one too?

The Clipper 1st could be especially nice, since Leonard/Harden will surely be done by then and they don't have much to rebuild with.

SA goes with
Fox/Castle
Vassell/Castle
Barnes/Bailey
Sochan/Barnes
Wemby/Sorber (#14)

deep bench led by Johnson, Wesley, Champaign, Branham-need another big and maybe bring back CP3 for spot minutes as a 4th guard/vet leader too

That Clippers pick is valuable but, enticing as it sounds on paper, given the Clippers deep pockets and coaching I think it ultimately ends up a middle of the pack pick. Ace Bailey has a very high ceiling but also a lot of red flags (inefficient, plays low iq basketball, doesn't come off as super coachable / willing to listen, may project as a high end role player which probably collides with his star mindset, etc) which ultimately don't warrant the downgrade.

I get it that this is a trade board where people are going to speculate, and a lot of media talking heads are going on about Harper's fit with Fox and Castle, but no smart front office would part with the clear cut best prospect by a significant margin based on perceived fit on draft day, if they think Harper is the best player they should go with him and see where that goes, maybe all three can work, maybe they don't and down the line you trade whomever you think the weak link is but, if that's the case, at least you'll have a better understanding on the situation and avoid yourself a blunder.

Bona feels like a weird toss in. He certainly wouldn't hold the deal up, just seems like he's a lot more useful is Philly than San Antonio.

But yes, I'd do this for Philly. Grimes is kind of a non-factor. He's found money and a useful rotation piece. Harper is an elite fit next to Maxey and/or McCain. A lead guard with that type of size, strength and ability to get buckets in the lane is exactly what you want next to them. I think he's a guy that bridges the gap between having a future all star to build with (not so sure he's a franchise player type talent) while also having immediate impact if Embiid is good to go.

For San Antonio, I think I like this more if they do this deal, and then trade down a 2nd time to get another pick, and end up with Kon. If the idea is that Fox and Castle are going to be mainstays there, I love the fit of Kon there. And we've already seen the chemistry he had with Maluach... Imagine him throwing it up to Wemby

Maybe they flip one of those picks for KD, or maybe they just keep the war chest full until the right guy comes along.

The Spurs only do this if they and Philly disagree on who should go at 2. So if the Sixers want Bailey but worry the Spurs will let Charlotte trade up for him guessing the Sixers wouldn't take Harper at 3. Philly basically pays LAC28 for their peace of mind.

But if the Spurs have Harper above every other player and the Sixers want him, they'll have to pay a premium like anyone else.

Not interested for Philly. Take out Bona and it's a reluctant yes. And it would be to move up for Harper.

Otherwise we're perfectly happy sticking at #3 and taking Ace.

Spurs are going to run into problems if they take Harper. Harper + Fox + Castle is a terrible fit which is doomed to failure.

Arsenal wrote:Spurs are going to run into problems if they take Harper. Harper + Fox + Castle is a terrible fit which is doomed to failure.

It's heartwarming to see how much other fans worry about the Spurs' roster makeup, to the point they're willing to take on Harper for themselves so that the Spurs don't suffer. Inspiring stuff.

I think the Spurs would LOVE to have that Clipper pick-great asset right when Wemby goes on his max deal
Ace could be a perfect SF for them

wemby wrote:

Arsenal wrote:Spurs are going to run into problems if they take Harper. Harper + Fox + Castle is a terrible fit which is doomed to failure.

It's heartwarming to see how much other fans worry about the Spurs' roster makeup, to the point they're willing to take on Harper for themselves so that the Spurs don't suffer. Inspiring stuff.

A Fox + Castle + Harper guard rotation will become known as the BRICK BROTHERS. They'll be laying enough masonry to replace every deported worker.

Don't say we didn't warn you!

Chinook wrote:The Spurs only do this if they and Philly disagree on who should go at 2. So if the Sixers want Bailey but worry the Spurs will let Charlotte trade up for him guessing the Sixers wouldn't take Harper at 3. Philly basically pays LAC28 for their peace of mind.

But if the Spurs have Harper above every other player and the Sixers want him, they'll have to pay a premium like anyone else.

This, but furthermore, if they have a guy picked out, they should not do the trade without a full kings ransom (which no one should offer).

The same fear the Sixers may have would then become the Spurs fear. Sixers say they are picking x when Spurs want Y anyway, then another team (say Hornets) makes them an offer for the pick because they actually want Y and it's enough to make them say yes, now Spurs are on their heels.

Basically if they don't love anyone past Flagg, then this is fine and great. But if they have a guy in mind to run next to Wemby, don't get pretty, don't get cute. Take the player.

3 and the 28 Clipper pick to move down a spot and take a guy who fits their team better is fair.

We agree about if the teams disagree, though. When the Spurs want to take Bailey at 2 but know they can get paid to still get their guy.

Nowhere near enough for SA.

the_process wrote:3 and the 28 Clipper pick to move down a spot and take a guy who fits their team better is fair.

We agree about if the teams disagree, though. When the Spurs want to take Bailey at 2 but know they can get paid to still get their guy.

IMO that’s an overpay. Yes I think Harper is more nba ready, but three years from now I believe Ace will be the better player.

I think this is a completely fair trade for this. I think people always assess the players at the top and find large chasms between perceived tiers, but that there’s rarely gigantic value traded between picks that high, for example when Philly traded from 3 to 1 for Fultz, they gave up only one first, and I think the clippers pick is probably at least as highly thought of as the one Philly gave up. I still don’t really understand why Philly would want to do this, but if they do want to do it, this is a fair price, maybe a tiny bit more value like a conditional swap or 2nd rounder or 2.

Arsenal wrote:A Fox + Castle + Harper guard rotation will become known as the BRICK BROTHERS. They'll be laying enough masonry to replace every deported worker.

Don't say we didn't warn you!

Sure, because we all know 19 and 20 year olds have no hope of ever improving. Thanks for the heads up though.

The Sixers responses here are going to fall exactly in line with Ace evaluations. I couldn’t do this deal fast enough because I want no part of Bailey.

Arsenal wrote:Not interested for Philly. Take out Bona and it's a reluctant yes. And it would be to move up for Harper.

The difference between a yes and a no for 2OA is a guy we hope can be a good bench big? What am I missing here because I like Bona and it still seems absurd.

I don't how I feel about this. Could take it or leave it with Grimes. Quality role player,but he's not going anything above that.If nothing else, could negotiate a sign and trade deal for him, so atleast they get something of value back from him. Now how would McCain fit on a team with Harper/Maxey? Would Maxey simply get traded to fit in Harper? Would the 76ers be smart to actually test the trade market for Maxey regardless if the 76ers move up or not, seeing how much Desmond Bane went out for? A lot of questions. Really I don't see this as realistic based on the fact it's going to take more than a 1st round pick to move up from the 3rd pick to the 2nd pick.

Jojothewhale wrote:The Sixers responses here are going to fall exactly in line with Ace evaluations. I couldn’t do this deal fast enough because I want no part of Bailey.

Arsenal wrote:Not interested for Philly. Take out Bona and it's a reluctant yes. And it would be to move up for Harper.

The difference between a yes and a no for 2OA is a guy we hope can be a good bench big? What am I missing here because I like Bona and it still seems absurd.

We're not "throwing in" Bona. If anything Spurs should be throwing in a 2nd rounder since we're overpaying as is with the unprotected Clippers pick to move up only 1 spot.

If they don't like it they're free to just take Harper at #2 and form the BRICK BROTHERS.