BOS-CHI-DAL-DET-GSW Trade

rambo_ortega · Post #1 » by **rambo_ortega** » Sun Jun 15, 2025 4:24 pm

Celtics Get:
Nikola Vucevic
Caleb Martin
Buddy Hield

They lose key players and lower their salary but still get quality rotation players

Pritchard/White/Brown/Tatum/Vucevic

Bulls Get:
Jonathan Kuminga (25m S&T)
Daniel Gafford

They gamble on Kuminga and lose the salary of Vuc

Giddey/White/Buzelis/Kuminga/Gafford

Mavericks Get:
Jrue Holiday

They get a PG who can play alongside Kyrie once healthy

Kyrie/Jrue/Flagg/AD/Lively

Pistons Get:
Naji Marshall

Pistons accommodate this trade to get a cheap but very productive player who is perfect for them

Cade/Ivey/Thompson/Harris/Duren

Warriors Get:
Kristaps Porzingis

Dubs get their perfect starting Center instead of losing Kuminga for nothing

Curry/Podz/Butler/Green/Porzi

Post #2 » by **oldncreaky** » Sun Jun 15, 2025 6:27 pm

I know DET is the most minor part, but I like it for them

Post #3 » by **djFan71** » Sun Jun 15, 2025 6:29 pm

Bulls seem to be making our very well here. Gafford and Kuminga for Vuc?

GreekAlex · Post #4 » by **GreekAlex** » Sun Jun 15, 2025 6:56 pm

oldncreaky wrote:I know DET is the most minor part, but I like it for them

How does it work for Detroit if we’re resigning our FA’s and operating over the cap?

psman2 · Post #5 » by **psman2** » Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:01 pm

GreekAlex wrote:
oldncreaky wrote:I know DET is the most minor part, but I like it for them

How does it work for Detroit if we’re resigning our FA’s and operating over the cap?

Use MLE as a TPE?

DetroitDon15 · Post #6 » by **DetroitDon15** » Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:15 pm

GreekAlex wrote:
oldncreaky wrote:I know DET is the most minor part, but I like it for them

How does it work for Detroit if we’re resigning our FA’s and operating over the cap?

There is no need for Naji in Detroit. We have Holland Thompson at the three. Maybe a 2025 first with him to get value.

ChettheJet · Post #7 » by **ChettheJet** » Sun Jun 15, 2025 10:29 pm

First I don't see how the Bulls take in $39M and send out $21M. I might not play the S&T game that well.

There's caution from the Bulls. Gafford is an expiring contract, what the Bulls are going to have to see is can they get enough shooters on the floor with him, and right now I'd say No. The 2026 summer questions will be with Collins and Gafford expiring have they given Jalen Smith enough work so that he can play a bigger role in his contract year or does he feel he's been wasted, walk in and ask for a trade.Who do they keep and for how much?

They are betting a lot on Kuminga, the money and does he really bring the talent and put it to good use. They don't need him filling the stat sheet, they need him to join the team that finished last seas, moving the ball, letting Giddey and White control things and he needs to see Buzelis as the face of the franchise, Don't hold him back!

Yes Vuc needs to move on but I don't think this is the best way

meekrab · Post #8 » by **meekrab** » Sun Jun 15, 2025 11:01 pm

djFan71 wrote:Bulls seem to be making our very well here. Gafford and Kuminga for Vuc?

Yeah the Bulls accept and don't let the other teams think too hard about it. :lol:

I assume at least a first rounder would have to be outgoing somewhere.

giberish · Post #9 » by **giberish** » Sun Jun 15, 2025 11:13 pm

I don't think GS could build a credible roster under the 1st apron with KP's salary (and the need for depth given overall age and KP's health and this deal caps the Warriors at the 1st apron.

The value looks very good for Chicago except I think they're overpaying Kuminga by $5-10M/yr.

Billl · Post #10 » by **Billl** » Sun Jun 15, 2025 11:16 pm

The pistons will operate as an over the cap team and won’t have space to do this.

xdrta+ · Post #11 » by **xdrta+** » Sun Jun 15, 2025 11:49 pm

giberish wrote:I don't think GS could build a credible roster under the 1st apron with KP's salary (and the need for depth given overall age and KP's health and this deal caps the Warriors at the 1st apron.

Yeah, that's the problem. The Warriors can probably live capped at the second apron, but not the first.

Donkedave · Post #12 » by **Donkedave** » Mon Jun 16, 2025 12:40 am

ChettheJet wrote:First I don't see how the Bulls take in $39M and send out $21M. I might not play the S&T game that well.

There's caution from the Bulls. Gafford is an expiring contract, what the Bulls are going to have to see is can they get enough shooters on the floor with him, and right now I'd say No. The 2026 summer questions will be with Collins and Gafford expiring have they given Jalen Smith enough work so that he can play a bigger role in his contract year or does he feel he's been wasted, walk in and ask for a trade.Who do they keep and for how much?

They are betting a lot on Kuminga, the money and does he really bring the talent and put it to good use. They don't need him filling the stat sheet, they need him to join the team that finished last seas, moving the ball, letting Giddey and White control things and he needs to see Buzelis as the face of the franchise, Don't hold him back!

Yes Vuc needs to move on but I don't think this is the best way

Use the TPE to take in Gafford. Obviously the rest of the trade doesn’t work for GSW with cap restraints and hard capped. Plus they can’t that much back. All sorts of wrong

Darren · Post #13 » by **Darren** » Mon Jun 16, 2025 1:21 am

Dallas passes. Jrue is not a PG. Jrue is regressing and paying til 40 and is on ugly contract. Gafford is in career year and is leader in blocks and attitude on the team. Marshall is not a random throw-in. Boston needs to pay more. The Mavs is definitely more interested in White who is a PG and in his prime.

Darren · Post #14 » by **Darren** » Mon Jun 16, 2025 1:23 am

If Dallas trades for Jrue, it's more likely with Klay, Martin and Hardy as returning piece. At least, this give Dallas reason to pull the trigger.

Michaellam1987 · Post #15 » by **Michaellam1987** » Mon Jun 16, 2025 2:22 am

DetroitDon15 wrote:
GreekAlex wrote:
oldncreaky wrote:I know DET is the most minor part, but I like it for them

How does it work for Detroit if we’re resigning our FA’s and operating over the cap?

There is no need for Naji in Detroit. We have Holland Thompson at the three. Maybe a 2025 first with him to get value.

Naji has outplayed his contract, and a positive asset right now. No way DET is stealing value in this trade, without giving up anything.

Post #16 » by **oldncreaky** » Mon Jun 16, 2025 12:26 pm

Michaellam1987 wrote:
DetroitDon15 wrote:
GreekAlex wrote:
How does it work for Detroit if we’re resigning our FA’s and operating over the cap?

There is no need for Naji in Detroit. We have Holland Thompson at the three. Maybe a 2025 first with him to get value.

Naji has outplayed his contract, and a positive asset right now. No way DET is stealing value in this trade, without giving up anything.

Looks like we are giving up space (or a TPE) -- that is not nothing. Marshall is a decent player, and I'd agree he's positive. He can defend 4s better than any 3 on our roster not named Ausar. Naji Marshall also has questionable shooting, and looks to me like a career backup.

If Naji could shoot better, maybe DET would pony up a SRP or 2, but as is, trading into space/TPE is probably closer to fair value for Naji.

Post #17 » by **Mavrelous** » Mon Jun 16, 2025 12:36 pm

Naji is a bad fit for Detroit and he should return a 2nd if taken to cap space, not exactly a deal breaker...

Michaellam1987 · Post #18 » by **Michaellam1987** » Mon Jun 16, 2025 1:04 pm

oldncreaky wrote:
Michaellam1987 wrote:
DetroitDon15 wrote:
There is no need for Naji in Detroit. We have Holland Thompson at the three. Maybe a 2025 first with him to get value.

Naji has outplayed his contract, and a positive asset right now. No way DET is stealing value in this trade, without giving up anything.

Looks like we are giving up space (or a TPE) -- that is not nothing. Marshall is a decent player, and I'd agree he's positive. He can defend 4s better than any 3 on our roster not named Ausar. Naji Marshall also has questionable shooting, and looks to me like a career backup.

If Naji could shoot better, maybe DET would pony up a SRP or 2, but as is, trading into space/TPE is probably closer to fair value for Naji.

If it is only TPE for Naji, I am sure there will be 10+ teams being interested and to give up something more than that

Post #19 » by **Texas Chuck** » Mon Jun 16, 2025 1:18 pm

Billl wrote:The pistons will operate as an over the cap team and won’t have space to do this.

Remember that under this CBA, you can use the MLE as a trade exception, so they could do this if they wanted and should still have have plenty of room under the tax with any reasonable contracts given to Dennis/Beasley.

Not saying they should use their exception for this, just that its possible.

Post #20 » by **oldncreaky** » Mon Jun 16, 2025 1:20 pm

Michaellam1987 wrote:
oldncreaky wrote:
Michaellam1987 wrote:
Naji has outplayed his contract, and a positive asset right now. No way DET is stealing value in this trade, without giving up anything.

Looks like we are giving up space (or a TPE) -- that is not nothing. Marshall is a decent player, and I'd agree he's positive. He can defend 4s better than any 3 on our roster not named Ausar. Naji Marshall also has questionable shooting, and looks to me like a career backup.

If Naji could shoot better, maybe DET would pony up a SRP or 2, but as is, trading into space/TPE is probably closer to fair value for Naji.

If it is only TPE for Naji, I am sure there will be 10+ teams being interested and to give up something more than that

More power to you if you can, but I see him as JAG