Porzingis to the Magic w/ ATL

[toooskies]

BOS in: Wendell Carter Jr, ATL fake 2nd
BOS out: Porzingis

Boston cuts money while grabbing a poor man's Horford for their 5-out offense. Doesn't quite get them under the 2nd apron but it should be easier to finish the job in another deal.

ORL in: Porzingis
ORL out: WCJ, Isaac, Howard, #25

Orlando upgrades their starting shooting at the only other starting spot they have available outside their core. If it works, great; if not, Porzingis expires. They also get off of Isaac's long-term deal if they're afraid of it.

ATL in: Isaac, Howard, #25
ATL out: fake 2nd

Atlanta uses their Dejounte Murray trade exception to beef up their defense a bit with Isaac and take a flier on a recent draft pick. Isaac fills a rotation void left by Capela departing in free agency. Also get a pick out of the deal.

[ReggiesKnicks]

I don't like this for Orlando. I'd rather have the contracts and cost-controlled assets than Porzingis.

[djFan71]

I'll take it for BOS. Not sure ORL owes 25, tbh. Could be 46, imo. But I tend to undervalue needing to be paid to take good players into space. Bad contracts, sure. Good players, you're getting a good player. Isaac good = free, Howard meh = 46 and see how it goes.

[hugepatsfan]

Magic will be pushing the 2nd apron in 26-27 once Banchero extends if they keep WCJ/Issaac. Probably over the 2nd apron if he qualifies for the 30% max, which they probably hope he does. I think Porzingis is a perfect fit in their starting lineup right now with big upside, and the ability to shed WCJ's extension I thin helps manage their payroll longer term.

I don't think #25 should be here. I think between SAC, ATL, and CHI all having TPEs that fit Issac, not to mention all the full MLE teams, there's a buyer for him on that deal at neutral cost. It's a solid salary for the defensive upside and no guarantees in the future. Howard would need to be dumped somewhere, but that's doable for a future 2nd IMO.

For the Celtics, they can't really afford WCJ unless something is done with Jrue's out years. So this can only be done if a deal is made there.

[Viper1500]

Orlando has too much invested into this team to rely on Porzingis health.

[djFan71]

Orlando has too much invested into this team to rely on Porzingis health.

Agreed, but at the same time.... WCJ and Isaac aren't paragons of health. You raise your possible ceiling, and free up lots of long term $. Have Goga and Wagner as backups. Pick another center at 25 (if we take it out) to develop.

[hugepatsfan]

Orlando has too much invested into this team to rely on Porzingis health.

Ironically, heath is part of why I think they should make the deal... WCJ's health is just as concerning. Porzingis played less games last year but more each of the 2 years prior. WCJ is just as unreliable really. And that long term deal stretches years that they're going to have some 2nd apron troubles with Banchero/Wagner/Bane/Suggs all signed.

I think a Porzingis/WCJ swap is interesting because ORL can handle Porzingis' high salary for one year before Banchero extends but a longer term deal for an injury prone big like they have in WCJ is a tougher fit. BOS on the other hand, desperately needs to save money for a lower salary this year but long term can handle and probably wants a multi year big man provided Jrue is moved for some long term relief.

Porzingis and WCJ are both injury risks. But Porzingis is a really good player when healthy, high 1 year salary. WCJ is a kind of "meh" player signed long term but low salary for one more year. I think each of them fits better on the other team's cap sheet and roster construction considering ORL is going for it and BOS is set for a down year with Tatum out.

[djFan71]

Orlando has too much invested into this team to rely on Porzingis health.

Ironically, heath is part of why I think they should make the deal... WCJ's health is just as concerning. Porzingis played less games last year but more each of the 2 years prior. WCJ is just as unreliable really. And that long term deal stretches years that they're going to have some 2nd apron troubles with Banchero/Wagner/Bane/Suggs all signed.

I think a Porzingis/WCJ swap is interesting because ORL can handle Porzingis' high salary for one year before Banchero extends but a longer term deal for an injury prone big like they have in WCJ is a tougher fit. BOS on the other hand, desperately needs to save money for a lower salary this year but long term can handle and probably wants a multi year big man provided Jrue is moved for some long term relief.

Porzingis and WCJ are both injury risks. But Porzingis is a really good player when healthy, high 1 year salary. WCJ is a kind of "meh" player signed long term but low salary for one more year. I think each of them fits better on the other team's cap sheet and roster construction considering ORL is going for it and BOS is set for a down year with Tatum out.

We're doing a good job here of replying with roughly the same thoughts at roughly the same time with slight differences in style.

[Skybox]

That's way too much for ORL to give for such an unreliable (but awesome) player...it's a given that KP misses significant time - that's if he DOESN'T sustain anything new. Maybe could have rolled the dice before the Bane deal, but there's just not that kind of wiggle room to cover for him now. ORL's depth is being ripped apart...which is what good teams do, they get top-heavy and have to creatively fill in the roster.

[djFan71]

That's way too much for ORL to give for such an unreliable (but awesome) player...it's a given that KP misses significant time - that's if he DOESN'T sustain anything new. Maybe could have rolled the dice before the Bane deal, but there's just not that kind of wiggle room to cover for him now. ORL's depth is being ripped apart...which is what good teams do, they get top-heavy and have to creatively fill in the roster.

Your last sentence is kinda it. Main point is to save $100M from 26-27 to 28-29 to handle Paolo and Franz deals. With the chance at a higher ceiling in 25-26. You could definitely go one more year with it and deal with the long term $ next summer, though. Betting on WCJ and Isaac vs KP isn't a sure thing either, but at least you have the redundancy. Hope 1 is available most of the time.

[Texas Chuck]

Holy cow I basically ripped this whole thing off only with Sacramento. I suck.

[djFan71]

Holy cow I basically ripped this whole thing off only with Sacramento. I suck.

Or, you're almost equally brilliant!

The almost is for making BOS pay more in your version.

[brackdan70]

Orlando has too much invested into this team to rely on Porzingis health.

That’s what I said in 2023…
There is certainly risk, but man when he is healthy and right….holy ****…he is a game changer.

[orlando_joe]

magic keep what they have...troubles come after next season ...deal with it then if needed

[nykballa2k4]

Holy cow I basically ripped this whole thing off only with Sacramento. I suck.

The Dane Cook of the trade board.
Just stealing other peoples stuff

I think the interesting part of OP is the value of cap space. If the payroll wasn't a problem, I'd much rather have Howard, #25, and JI than not, but that 2nd apron is a real problem. I would wonder if adding Hauser out-going (with the two Magic men coming into Boston) would be better all around?

Trae gets a Huerter dupe, ATL gets a cheap pick for it's hard work, meanwhile Boston adds depth/versatility.

Lakers and Celtics don't trade with one another, but Boston is actually a good fit for Rui, meanwhile Lakers would really do well with JI. The trade checker is being slow, but the general parameters are there.

[MagicHolland]

I’ve proposed a similar deal to get KP to Orlando last week. With the addition of Bane to me it makes even more sense. Go for it now.

[toooskies]

Holy cow I basically ripped this whole thing off only with Sacramento. I suck.

It’s totally fair to say that multiple helper teams here are valid, and even more if you flip-flop WCJ and Isaac. Boston cuts less money and goes more defense-focused, but you just need a couple teams to take guys with their MLEs instead of a premium exception.

But Atlanta’s exception expires on July 6th so they have some urgency to use it.

[djFan71]

Doing this move after the Jrue for Simons deal gets BOS under the 2nd apron if they also send Hauser somewhere.
Remove 25, BOS can send a 2nd or Hauser to ATL.

[Threezus]

Actually how about the Hawks just come after Porzingis and Hauser ourselves. We could use both of them probably and Porzingis for sure we could use to pair with OO and still maybe draft a center.

[djFan71]

Actually how about the Hawks just come after Porzingis and Hauser ourselves. We could use both of them probably and Porzingis for sure we could use to pair with OO and still maybe draft a center.

If you could somehow only send back $10M or less, that'd be great. But I think it only works with Mann and Niang.