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TOR - CHI - BRK 

Post#1 » by UnbelievablyRAW » Sun Jun 22, 2025 6:22 pm

Draft day trade depending on who is available around Toronto’s pick

TOR IN: Cam Johnson, Lonzo Ball, pick 12 from Chicago

CHI IN: RJ Barrett, Pick 19 from BRK

BRK IN: Patrick Williams, Pick 9 from TOR, pick 39 from TOR via POR


Toronto: move on from Barrett for an upgrade that can shoot. Also move back in the draft but not too far back. Modified version of the Nets proposal of Cam + 19 for RJ + 9 where TOR still acquires Cam without moving out of the lottery. Take a flier on Lonzo for the year as a backup. Get rid of the POR SRP because they probably don’t want to draft multiple rookies

Brooklyn: pick up a young wing at a position of need given there aren’t notable wings other than Cam on roster. Get another top 10 pick to pair with pick 8. Can move up to get a singular target or take 2 top 10 prospects. Still hold late FRP and a new second they can use to trade into 2026

Chicago: trade off Patrick Williams contract and let go of Lonzo who has barely played. They get an upgrade in Barrett by moving back 7 spots to still make a top 20 pick this year.
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Post#2 » by TheNetsFan » Sun Jun 22, 2025 6:29 pm

Toronto is sucking up a ton of value at the expense of the other teams. Chicago is getting extremely shafted and seems to be in the deal to just make a previously floated fair trade lopsided in Toronto's favor.
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Post#3 » by UnbelievablyRAW » Sun Jun 22, 2025 6:40 pm

TheNetsFan wrote:Toronto is sucking up a ton of value at the expense of the other teams. Chicago is getting extremely shafted and seems to be in the deal to just make a previously floated fair trade lopsided in Toronto's favor.


Patrick Williams is overpaid and has 3 years on the deal. I’m sure the Bulls woyld rather have RJ for this year and next + 19 over 12 and Patrick Williams for the rest of his contract.

Nets have been rumoured to offer Cam and 19 for RJ and 9 because they want another top 10 pick. They get 9 and a second here at the expense of Cam and picking up Williams. The Nets might ask for a protected first from Toronto or Chicago to get this done but the general framework is fair imo
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Post#4 » by meekrab » Sun Jun 22, 2025 7:02 pm

Don't think Chicago paid Lonzo to rehab for 3 years in order to trade him the second an offer to move back in the draft for Andrew Wiggins 2.0 came in.
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Post#5 » by ChettheJet » Sun Jun 22, 2025 8:50 pm

I do think the Bulls would be willing to trade down, even 7 slots. I for one would like RJ Barrett, he'd start at the SF.

The Bulls lack defense at a lot of positions. I really don't see them trading away their 2 best defenders (sorry you can claim Williams sucks but he shows up on defense). Everybody seems to conveniently ignore the Bulls just resigned Lonzo for that $10M. If they didn't intend to keep him they could have just let him go. They aren't just throwing him in as filler, not their best defensive guard. Yeah he sat out at the end of last year, the Bulls weren't one bit shorthanded at guard so why bother playing him.

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Post#6 » by MessiahUjiri » Sun Jun 22, 2025 9:17 pm

So Toronto is trading #9, #39, and RJ Barrett for #12, Cam Johnson (who won’t play much behind Scottie/Ingram), and an old version of Lonzo Ball?


That’s very poor value. Rather stand pat.
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Post#7 » by Dez » Sun Jun 22, 2025 10:49 pm

Dear God that's awful for Chicago.

Barrett is a bad fit, Williams is overpaid but it's not a crippling contract and giving up 12 for this is just horrendous.

No way do Chicago do it.
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Post#8 » by Mr Swagtastic » Mon Jun 23, 2025 12:56 am

Chicago wouldn't do this. They need a bigger bite of the apple come draft night. Moving Williams helps but I just can't see this as a win for them.

Toronto is stealing value, they move RJ for Cam Johnson who fits well as a starter at the 3 or off the bench as your super sixth man. You're getting pretty much the same calibur player at 12 vs 9 so it's not like your dropping off. Lonzo could be good especially with Toronto's medical staff
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Post#9 » by Tripod » Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:20 am

"Raptors are stealing value"....yet are:

Trading the guy with the highest PPG
Trading the best 1st rd pick
Trading the only 2nd rd pick
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Post#10 » by Dez » Mon Jun 23, 2025 9:41 am

Tripod wrote:"Raptors are stealing value"....yet are:

Trading the guy with the highest PPG
Trading the best 1st rd pick
Trading the only 2nd rd pick


Magnificent he had the highest PPG on absolutely ass efficiency.

His TS% was .547, his PPG is meaningless when it's at the level of "efficiency".
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Post#11 » by UnbelievablyRAW » Mon Jun 23, 2025 11:47 am

Mr Swagtastic wrote:Chicago wouldn't do this. They need a bigger bite of the apple come draft night. Moving Williams helps but I just can't see this as a win for them.

Toronto is stealing value, they move RJ for Cam Johnson who fits well as a starter at the 3 or off the bench as your super sixth man. You're getting pretty much the same calibur player at 12 vs 9 so it's not like your dropping off. Lonzo could be good especially with Toronto's medical staff


TOR can add a protected 2026 first and the LAL 2026 SRP

First to BRK as a sweetener to take Williams

LAL SRP to Bulls as sweetener for moving down (even though I personally think RJ is a better player with a higher ceiling than Williams)
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Post#12 » by UnbelievablyRAW » Mon Jun 23, 2025 11:50 am

Dez wrote:
Tripod wrote:"Raptors are stealing value"....yet are:

Trading the guy with the highest PPG
Trading the best 1st rd pick
Trading the only 2nd rd pick


Magnificent he had the highest PPG on absolutely ass efficiency.

His TS% was .547, his PPG is meaningless when it's at the level of "efficiency".


To be fair he was playing in a less than ideal situation. From the eye test it was easily his best season of his career.

The Raptors were openly tanking or were injured and he would often be the only starter playing next to our rookies and g leaguers. It was actually surprising the defense ranked so well considering who was getting minutes

His short stint in the olympics next to Shai was pretty good by the metrics and by eye test.
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Post#13 » by enzino » Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:51 pm

bulls are getting too much value, here
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Post#14 » by JKiddy » Mon Jun 23, 2025 7:09 pm

Do you think the Nets would trade Cam freaking Johnson for Patrick Williams (he will be out of the league in 1.5 years unless he truly improves fast).

This trade makes no sense for BK. Take them out of it,

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