Mark Williams to Phoenix (two versions)

[babyjax13]

CHA trades: Mark Williams
PHX trades: Cody Martin, 28 (rights to player), 2027 CLE/MIN/UTA 1st (worst)
Phoenix gets a starting center and moves a marginal amount of money. The situation for both teams has changed since the Richards deal, and I think this could make some sense if Charlotte isn't planning on keeping Williams (which a trade attempt signals...probably not) because they get some picks for him.

An alternative could be:

CHA trades: Mark Williams, Grant Williams
PHX trades: Cody Martin, Grayson Allen, 2027 CLE/MIN/UTA 1st (worst)
Phoenix trades guard depth for frontcourt depth, Charlotte moves G. Williams for a good shooting guard and gets a future first instead of doing the late first when they already have two early 2nds.

[Trey24]

The Charlotte Hornets will not be accepting Cody Martin Back in any capacity.

[GoBobs]

I would counter Mark Williams for #10
or
Mark WIlliams, Josh Green for Dillon Brooks and #10

[Mavrelous]

I would counter Mark Williams for #10
or
Mark WIlliams, Josh Green for Dillon Brooks and #10

That would be unreasonable counter

[Texas Chuck]

I would counter Mark Williams for #10
or
Mark WIlliams, Josh Green for Dillon Brooks and #10

These aren't serious counters and we have a board policy against this. Please don't derail threads by asking for 3x the value of your player.

[Texas Chuck]

Suns are a perfect team to take a gamble on Mark Williams. And Charlotte should extend or trade him and they shouldn't extend him.

[Skybox]

I was expecting to see somehting around Jalen Green...obviously would take more than Mark's salary and value, but would be an explosive young trio with Lamelo and Miller.

[facothomas22]

I would counter Mark Williams for #10
or
Mark WIlliams, Josh Green for Dillon Brooks and #10

That's a horrible counter. As soon as the Hornets ask for the 10th pick for Mark Williams, the Suns are hanging up the phone before the Hornets can even finish the sentence. If the Suns are outright giving up the 10th pick, they can get Centers that are much better and far,far more reliable.

[Mavrelous]

Dillon Brooks for Josh Green and Mark Williams

[facothomas22]

I feel the Suns could actually get away with giving up even less than the OP package. Maybe remove ether the 2027 1st round pick or remove the 28th pick. Unless the Hornets are planning to draft a center with the 4th pick, there's no reason for the Hornets to be in rush to trade Mark Williams,unless they know he's never staying healthy,which in that case nobody should giving up much for him.

[yosemiteben]

I can't imagine Charlotte being interested in either of the OP's trades. If Mark's value is this low, we're better off keeping him.

[KembaWalker]

these offers are quite simply trying to profit off the Lakers cold feet move
0 interest

[GoBobs]

I would counter Mark Williams for #10
or
Mark WIlliams, Josh Green for Dillon Brooks and #10

These aren't serious counters and we have a board policy against this. Please don't derail threads by asking for 3x the value of your player.

Mark Williams was just in a trade for a recent first (Knecht), a 2031 first and a 2030 pick swap. He played well after the trade blew up. Number 10 in this draft is less than what he was recently traded for in terms of value so I don't see how it is outrageous to ask for.

[GatherStepGuru]

I could see Mark and Grant for Grayson and some 2nds

[Texas Chuck]

I would counter Mark Williams for #10
or
Mark WIlliams, Josh Green for Dillon Brooks and #10

These aren't serious counters and we have a board policy against this. Please don't derail threads by asking for 3x the value of your player.

Mark Williams was just in a trade for a recent first (Knecht), a 2031 first and a 2030 pick swap. He played well after the trade blew up. Number 10 in this draft is less than what he was recently traded for in terms of value so I don't see how it is outrageous to ask for.

That trade was not completed. He now has one less playoff run and more reasons for teams to have serious medical concerns. I would strongly disagree his value has not gone down. I also don't know that you could get pick 10 in this draft for that package, but its irrelevant because the Lakers certainly aren't offering it again.

[psman2]

I think the OP is likely close on value, but I really don't see Charlotte taking it unless Mark is asking for too much to extend. Charlotte needs to tear it all down and trade Ball, and if they not willing to do that then they should keep taking swings like keeping Mark Williams.

[Rich4114]

I would counter Mark Williams for #10
or
Mark WIlliams, Josh Green for Dillon Brooks and #10

These aren't serious counters and we have a board policy against this. Please don't derail threads by asking for 3x the value of your player.

That's not a serious counter but taking Cody Martin back and the #28 pick in the draft in exchange for starting C Mark Williams is?

[Texas Chuck]

I would counter Mark Williams for #10
or
Mark WIlliams, Josh Green for Dillon Brooks and #10

These aren't serious counters and we have a board policy against this. Please don't derail threads by asking for 3x the value of your player.

That's not a serious counter but taking Cody Martin back and the #28 pick in the draft in exchange for starting C Mark Williams is?

I mean if we ignore that one offer came with an additional first and the other offer came with upgrading Grant Williams to Grayson Allen in order to try and misrepresent the OP....but nobody would do that because it absolutely sucks and is pointless....so lets assume you just made an innocent oversight instead of leaving out value going to your team in order to make it seem worse...

We are allowed to miss on value when we create OP's. All of us brave enough to do it, will miss. Or maybe not even miss, but simply have a lower value than fans of that team. Right, that makes sense to you because its common sense. But miss or not, its earnest. The OP isn't trying to miss.

The counter is trying to miss. Its being mad about the offer in the OP and instead of trying to come back with a realistic counter, its coming back with a silly one to waste everyone's time. That's what we are trying to avoid.

Both extreme counters and replies that leave out some of the value going to our team. Neither move discussion forward productively, wouldn't you agree?

[Rich4114]

These aren't serious counters and we have a board policy against this. Please don't derail threads by asking for 3x the value of your player.

That's not a serious counter but taking Cody Martin back and the #28 pick in the draft in exchange for starting C Mark Williams is?

I mean if we ignore that one offer came with an additional first and the other offer came with upgrading Grant Williams to Grayson Allen in order to try and misrepresent the OP....but nobody would do that because it absolutely sucks and is pointless....so lets assume you just made an innocent oversight instead of leaving out value going to your team in order to make it seem worse...

We are allowed to miss on value when we create OP's. All of us brave enough to do it, will miss. Or maybe not even miss, but simply have a lower value than fans of that team. Right, that makes sense to you because its common sense. But miss or not, its earnest. The OP isn't trying to miss.

The counter is trying to miss. Its being mad about the offer in the OP and instead of trying to come back with a realistic counter, its coming back with a silly one to waste everyone's time. That's what we are trying to avoid.

Both extreme counters and replies that leave out some of the value going to our team. Neither move discussion forward productively, wouldn't you agree?

The alternative is also low, low value for Mark Williams and Grant.

Like Mark and Grant (assuming he can come back from the knee injury) are each better than Cody Martin (who was just their teammate a matter of months ago) and Grayson Allen. The Cleveland or Minnesota pick is likely mid-late 20's or worse. Of course the Suns should do this, but the Hornets should not and would not. I think the issue is there's a perceived low value on Mark Williams due to the Lakers drama (which has been all but validated in that they rescinded based on giving up too much draft capital not his health) and Grant Williams (who is hurt, but also was the Hornets best BY FAR veteran when he was healthy).

4 months ago, he was being traded for a promising rookie, an unprotected 2031 draft pick and a 2030 pick swap. Then proceeded to play and put up good numbers post rescinded trade, but now he's worth Grayson Allen and a late 1st?

Anyway, all good in conversation and passion. I think the short answer is the value is very much off and it's likely that way due to some misconceptions.

A Mark Williams deal to the Suns would have to include the #10 pick and that's not an exaggeration or "try to miss". Especially for anyone who has actually watched Mark Williams play basketball. Coming off a year away from basketball due to a back and foot injury, he was very good offensively and pushed around defensively. The idea is with a full offseason of strength and conditioning, the defense goes back on track to where it was his rookie year (which was good). So a two-way LONG center with skilled offense in the paint, soft touch and shot blocking ability when the market for centers is currently terrible is not going to be auctioned off for used parts.

[jbk1234]

Watching the Suns trade to inherit the Hornets center rotation of Williams/Richardson is like watching the Kings trade to rebuild the the LaVine/Derozan Bulls.