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BOS GETS: Malik Monk, Devin Carter, & 2027 SAS 1st
BOS GIVES: Derrick White
WHY FOR BOS? The Celtics shed a bit of salary and pick up some cost controlled contracts that can help them remain competitive while Tatum rehabs.

PG - Holiday / Pritchard / Davison
SG - Monk / Carter / Scheierman
SF - Brown / Walsh
PF - Hauser / Tatum (rehab)
C - Porzingis / Tillman / Queta

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SAC GETS: Derrick White
SAC GIVES: Malik Monk, Devin Carter, & 2027 SAS 1st
WHY FOR SAC? The Kings get their new PG who happens to be an excellent fit next to LaVine as he can run the offense, defend multiple positions, and space the floor.

PG - White / Ellis
SG - LaVine / Davis
SF - DeRozan
PF - Murray
C - Sabonis / Valanciunas / Jones

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way short on value for White

Don't think Monk fits the mold of players Stevens likes (big on 2-way ability). It's possible Carter was a guy they had a good evaluation on, but he had the kind of rookie year stats that turn you from prospect to negatively valued salary pretty quickly.

PJ Washington is a guy I see BOS having a lot of interest in and most believe Monk could be swapped for him. Reports are BOS wants a PG and maybe they do like Carter's long term outlook. I don't want to outright dismiss it, but coming off the Desmond Bane trade it definitely FEELS like BOS would get significantly better offers than this though. That being a Wemby/Spurs pick rather than a Kings pick I think is a big factor because most would bet on SA being good whereas the Kings seem like they perpetually fail.

I think it's fair to value Monk as a 1st, can kind of squint and see Carter still valued as a 1st and then obviously a 1st is a 1st. So I can see this valued as 3 1sts plus salary relief which is in the ballpark, it just seems kind of like a bad path to that value.

Yeah I don't think they move White unless they get a monster offer akin to what Bane just went for. He still fits their timeline with Tatum/Brown and his contract is one of the good pieces you'd want to keep to build around, so you'd really need an excessive offer to have it make sense.

Jrue would obviously be the far more attainable target. With the Heat missing out on Durant I was thinking some kind of 3 way swing w/ Sacramento for Derozan with Miami paying Brooklyn to eat Robinson's $10m guaranteed (they can sell the non-guaranteed $10m a second time) and C's basically taking nothing back.

Monk should probably be re-routed somewhere for a pick.

Kings out: Monk, Carter, Spurs 1st
Kings in: White

OKC out: Joe, Dieng, #24, 2nd
OKC in: Monk

Boston out: White
Boston in: Carter, Joe, #24, Spurs 1st

4th team in: Dieng, 2nd

Boston comes out with Joe/Carter/Spurs 27 1st/#24 + 11 million in savings. Which would be an amazing haul for them. It'd be hilarious to watch them turn Carter into a better version of White, while White never lives up to who he is was in Boston.

As for Sac's side, they should be going the opposite direction. But I guess if you could turn Demar into forwards from Dallas you'd have a semi competent team.

I'd do this for Holiday instead

rambo_ortega wrote:I'd do this for Holiday instead

I'm sure you would but that's not realistic.

rambo_ortega wrote:I'd do this for Holiday instead

Wayyy too much for Holiday. Kings are effectively trading a package worth 3 1sts. I’d argue that Holiday is neutral value at best considering the combination of his age with that contract.

hugepatsfan wrote:Don't think Monk fits the mold of players Stevens likes (big on 2-way ability). It's possible Carter was a guy they had a good evaluation on, but he had the kind of rookie year stats that turn you from prospect to negatively valued salary pretty quickly.

PJ Washington is a guy I see BOS having a lot of interest in and most believe Monk could be swapped for him. Reports are BOS wants a PG and maybe they do like Carter's long term outlook. I don't want to outright dismiss it, but coming off the Desmond Bane trade it definitely FEELS like BOS would get significantly better offers than this though. That being a Wemby/Spurs pick rather than a Kings pick I think is a big factor because most would bet on SA being good whereas the Kings seem like they perpetually fail.

I think it's fair to value Monk as a 1st, can kind of squint and see Carter still valued as a 1st and then obviously a 1st is a 1st. So I can see this valued as 3 1sts plus salary relief which is in the ballpark, it just seems kind of like a bad path to that value.

When you say BOS wants a PG, is White not a PG? Do you think he can run an offense? I’d like the PG next to LaVine to be able to run the offense on tandem with Sabonis and utilize LaVine more as a finisher.

bpcox05 wrote:

hugepatsfan wrote:Don't think Monk fits the mold of players Stevens likes (big on 2-way ability). It's possible Carter was a guy they had a good evaluation on, but he had the kind of rookie year stats that turn you from prospect to negatively valued salary pretty quickly.

PJ Washington is a guy I see BOS having a lot of interest in and most believe Monk could be swapped for him. Reports are BOS wants a PG and maybe they do like Carter's long term outlook. I don't want to outright dismiss it, but coming off the Desmond Bane trade it definitely FEELS like BOS would get significantly better offers than this though. That being a Wemby/Spurs pick rather than a Kings pick I think is a big factor because most would bet on SA being good whereas the Kings seem like they perpetually fail.

I think it's fair to value Monk as a 1st, can kind of squint and see Carter still valued as a 1st and then obviously a 1st is a 1st. So I can see this valued as 3 1sts plus salary relief which is in the ballpark, it just seems kind of like a bad path to that value.

When you say BOS wants a PG, is White not a PG? Do you think he can run an offense? I’d like the PG next to LaVine to be able to run the offense on tandem with Sabonis and utilize LaVine more as a finisher.

He can run it for sure. Brown is a poor ball handler though and Tatum, for as much progress as he's made and for as strong a ball handler he is compared to other PFs, still kind of struggles with it. Stevens as a team builder and Mazzulla with his rotations have shown a strong preference for playing double "PG" lineups (White, Holiday, Brogdon, Smart, Pritchard) where one or both of them are more than capable defensive SGs without sacrificing your switchability (which applies to all of them but Pritchard). I think they love having a PG-capable player at SG because it helps compensate for the lack of playmaking Tatum and especially Brown have compared to other #1/#2 options. A lot of times that leaves you defensively compromised on the switch and White is one of the few guys who is both PG-capable on offense without that compromise, so I think they want to keep leveraging that especially if Holiday is dealt.

SAC is kind of if in the opposite scenario where Sabonis brings such exceptional "PG" play at a non PG position that you guys would probably prioritize White as the actual PG so you could get another wing out there since ball handling isn't as needed.

Boston doesn't even consider this. Not for a second.

I feel this is an overpay for White at his age/salary.

If Monk is worth a first and Carter still has the potential that’s basically two firsts and that’s plenty for White at his salary.

Not at all interested in aging out Jrue. He’s a net negative at his salary. You pay a late first for someone to take on his money.

WHite has far more value. Malik Monk is JAG, undersized at that. Carter's injury-plagued season has to factor in to his projected value

OGSactownballer wrote:I feel this is an overpay for White at his age/salary.

If Monk is worth a first and Carter still has the potential that’s basically two firsts and that’s plenty for White at his salary.

Not at all interested in aging out Jrue. He’s a net negative at his salary. You pay a late first for someone to take on his money.

If that's your belief on White then that's your belief. But I think you're pretty far from the consensus if you believe it's an overpay.

The package in the op is the maximum I would give up for a derrick white type player, he is 30 so you can't expect him to get any better than he currently is, so you have to hope what he brings is enough to get you over the top, and I don't buy that he would.

As far as holiday for that package, you must be joking. Holidays contract is terrible, and he is already 35 so you can expect him to be in further decline. Nobody should give up a first for holiday at this point.

Godaddycurse wrote:way short on value for White

man, I just don't know.
People look at Desmond Bane returning #16, a 2nd swap rights on Suns 2026, and 2028 and 2030 unprotected 1sts and people say "If Desmond Bane is worth 4 firsts then Derrick White is worth four firsts or maybe even five firsts."

But Bane is three years younger than White, Memphis took back $55 million in bad money they didn't want (and Boston doesn't want), and Memphis did NOT have to sell while sentiment around the NBA is that Boston has to sell (not White per se but some money HAS to go)

I think White for 4-5 firsts or 3-4 firsts and a young prospect on a rookie deal ... that seems too rich in these circumstances or too ambitious for Boston to expect and I don't think Boston will get nothing close to that

That doesn't mean Boston has to take a bad deal for White it just means they'll probably look at trades involving Jrue, Hauser, KP if the Derrick White Godfather offer isn't there

LightTheBeam wrote:Monk should probably be re-routed somewhere for a pick.

Kings out: Monk, Carter, Spurs 1st
Kings in: White

OKC out: Joe, Dieng, #24, 2nd
OKC in: Monk

Boston out: White
Boston in: Carter, Joe, #24, Spurs 1st

4th team in: Dieng, 2nd

Boston comes out with Joe/Carter/Spurs 27 1st/#24 + 11 million in savings. Which would be an amazing haul for them. It'd be hilarious to watch them turn Carter into a better version of White, while White never lives up to who he is was in Boston.

As for Sac's side, they should be going the opposite direction. But I guess if you could turn Demar into forwards from Dallas you'd have a semi competent team.

This feels better but still seems light for White.
At least the Cs get a useful guy back and shed a bit of Salary along with two picks.
I think Whites value has to be closer to what Bane brought in. Joe does seem like a guy the Celtics might really like though.
All that said I think trading White is way far down on the list the Celtics are considering.

brackdan70 wrote:

LightTheBeam wrote:Monk should probably be re-routed somewhere for a pick.

Kings out: Monk, Carter, Spurs 1st
Kings in: White

OKC out: Joe, Dieng, #24, 2nd
OKC in: Monk

Boston out: White
Boston in: Carter, Joe, #24, Spurs 1st

4th team in: Dieng, 2nd

Boston comes out with Joe/Carter/Spurs 27 1st/#24 + 11 million in savings. Which would be an amazing haul for them. It'd be hilarious to watch them turn Carter into a better version of White, while White never lives up to who he is was in Boston.

As for Sac's side, they should be going the opposite direction. But I guess if you could turn Demar into forwards from Dallas you'd have a semi competent team.

This feels better but still seems light for White.
At least the Cs get a useful guy back and shed a bit of Salary along with two picks.
I think Whites value has to be closer to what Bane brought in. Joe does seem like a guy the Celtics might really like though.
All that said I think trading White is way far down on the list the Celtics are considering.

I agree that C's likely keep White.

As for the Bane package comparison. That's really tough. I think this package I suggested might be better. Memphis ate 56 million in unwanted salary, I'd think the cost of doing so is at least worth a 1st + that swap.

So IMO it was 3 1sts for Bane.

This is 2 1st + a recent lotto pick (yes Carter wasn't good, but he was hurt until January and arguably rushed back), Joe is also a positive as well + they get 11 million in cap savings which seems to be a pretty massive deal for Boston.

Also Bane is 27 vs 31. I know we pretend age doesn't really matter, but I think there's definitely some value to getting a guy entering his prime vs one in the middle of it.

LightTheBeam wrote:

brackdan70 wrote:

LightTheBeam wrote:Monk should probably be re-routed somewhere for a pick.

Kings out: Monk, Carter, Spurs 1st
Kings in: White

OKC out: Joe, Dieng, #24, 2nd
OKC in: Monk

Boston out: White
Boston in: Carter, Joe, #24, Spurs 1st

4th team in: Dieng, 2nd

Boston comes out with Joe/Carter/Spurs 27 1st/#24 + 11 million in savings. Which would be an amazing haul for them. It'd be hilarious to watch them turn Carter into a better version of White, while White never lives up to who he is was in Boston.

As for Sac's side, they should be going the opposite direction. But I guess if you could turn Demar into forwards from Dallas you'd have a semi competent team.

This feels better but still seems light for White.
At least the Cs get a useful guy back and shed a bit of Salary along with two picks.
I think Whites value has to be closer to what Bane brought in. Joe does seem like a guy the Celtics might really like though.
All that said I think trading White is way far down on the list the Celtics are considering.

I agree that C's likely keep White.

As for the Bane package comparison. That's really tough. I think this package I suggested might be better. Memphis ate 56 million in unwanted salary, I'd think the cost of doing so is at least worth a 1st + that swap.

So IMO it was 3 1sts for Bane.

This is 2 1st + a recent lotto pick (yes Carter wasn't good, but he was hurt until January and arguably rushed back), Joe is also a positive as well + they get 11 million in cap savings which seems to be a pretty massive deal for Boston.

Yea good point on the Salaries.
Your proposal includes a good young 2 way player in Joe, another younger guy with possible upside and two late firsts and the Salary savings. They can cut Carter if he doesn’t pan out.
If a White trade were to go down this might be close…assuming Joe is a guy the Celtics like.

Bobby Marks on Derrick White's trade value: “I think it would have to be a Desmond Bane-plus type offer."

The Memphis Grizzlies traded Bane to the Orlando Magic for Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Cole Anthony, four first-round picks, and a future pick swap. According to ESPN's NBA front office insider and former Brooklyn Nets general manager Bobby Marks, it may take even more than that to pry White from the C's this offseason.

https://www.nbcsportsboston.com/nba/boston-celtics/video-bobby-marks-derrick-white-trade-desmond-bane-plus-offer/715063/