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Joe (or Wiggins) + 24

for

PJ Washington

Washington is an expiring deal and DAL adding Flagg makes some of their big depth superfluous. OKC shifts guard depth for a PF who fits well with Chet or Hartenstein.

(not sure how ideal this is for DAL but I assume something is going to give in terms of their big rotation. They probably prefer to move Gafford first).

I'm a big fan of Wiggins. I think he and that pick would be enough for the Mavs to trade Washington.

It's pretty embarrassing for the rest of the league how much OKC has picks and talent wise compared to everyone else. They didn't even have minutes for Wiggins in the playoffs, and I think he's as good as an Austin Reaves and could start for a lot of teams in the league.

I think Dallas wants to win this year
CWhite to Mavs
PJ to OKC
Dieng/#15 to Chi (once the #15 contract can be dealt)

Mavs could REALLY use White, and makes a Kyrie/White/Flagg/AD/Lively team with Klay/Gafford as main bench a tough out

OKC goes for 70+ wins/back-to-back and saves a roster spot

Bulls add Dieng, Newell/Fleming/Noa and maybe Coward/Clifford and looks better for the future

I can’t see Dallas doing this for Joe and I don’t think OKC is trading Wiggins.

In general I do not see why Dallas would trade PJ to OKC unless it really benefited them, and I don’t think this is enough to tip that balance.

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:I can’t see Dallas doing this for Joe and I don’t think OKC is trading Wiggins.

In general I do not see why Dallas would trade PJ to OKC unless it really benefited them, and I don’t think this is enough to tip that balance.

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Been talked about in any number of varieties for months now. For me the versions that makes the most sense is Joe +15. I think Joe is the most expendable of the guys on long contracts and by moving him out it increases the likelihood that if Washington panned out, he wouldn't have to just be a rental.

I'd personally consider the OP with Wiggins. And then try really hard to take 24 and use it to turn Thompson into a PG. I could live with a Wiggins/Christie platoon at the 2 I think.

But I also don't really know how to value PJ Washington. A year ago coming off that playoff run with 2 cheap year left, I'd have set his value pretty high. Now with just one year left he's super unlikely to extend off of? Not sure how much he actually returns. Especially if teams think Dallas is trading him knowing he's blocked by AD/Flagg and thus very likely to test free agency next summer.

I’d want Wiggins. And OKC shouldn’t do it with Wiggins imo.

Does OKC add any extra little value if it were Joe? They have 1,000 second round picks and prospects..

I like this with #15, if for no other reason than this eliminates the possibility of another Western Conference contender trading for OKC's kryptonite at the deadline

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:I can’t see Dallas doing this for Joe and I don’t think OKC is trading Wiggins.

In general I do not see why Dallas would trade PJ to OKC unless it really benefited them, and I don’t think this is enough to tip that balance.

It feels like Wiggins could be superfluous going forward for OKC. He’s not exactly a run the offense type of guard. Wallace looks like he could take on more responsibility and then you have Topic (a true PG) and Mitchell (who has more creation potential than Wiggins imo). Wiggins’ minutes also got squeezed in the playoffs

If I were OKC I would add a 2nd (or 2) to get this done. I don’t think I’d give up 15 for an expiring PJ. It’s a difficult deal to nail down value due to PJ being expiring and, as you said, Dallas maybe not wanting to help OKC.

Washington would be very helpful for OKC. Two value considerations for them are the unlikelihood of retaining him after that given the salary crunch that's coming in 2026-27, and the need to open up a roster spot for this coming year. Not sure if they're willing to move off Dillon Jones this quickly, or if he has value to Dallas, but I think Joe + Jones + 24 for Washington would be of interest to them. Would it be enough for Dallas?

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sterncohen wrote:Washington would be very helpful for OKC. Two value considerations for them are the unlikelihood of retaining him after that given the salary crunch that's coming in 2026-27, and the need to open up a roster spot for this coming year. Not sure if they're willing to move off Dillon Jones this quickly, or if he has value to Dallas, but I think Joe + Jones + 24 for Washington would be of interest to them. Would it be enough for Dallas?

Dallas would definitely pass without much thought. Who in the hecis Dillon jones?

OKC needs to keep Wiggins because of his contract being very cheap and extending in to the years where the big 3 get paid.

P.J Washington is an interesting target for OKC, but I am not sure if he is ideal. If he was a regular 38% from 3 guy then yes, but his shooting has been inconsistent over the years. That said, there may not be anyone realistic that is better. The shortfall on the roster does appear to be a genuine 6'8-6'10 PF who can guard opposing PF's.

The other thing is already OKC is going to struggle to retain their players, so adding a guy who will need to be paid at the same time as Dub and Chet feels counter-intuitive. I wonder if they will be looking at guys like Carter Bryant, Collin Murray Boyles and Cedric Coward in the draft instead to fill this niche, trading to move up if necessary.

On value the 15th pick and Joe feels a little much for an expiring starting level role player, but Joe and 24 doesn't feel like enough. Maybe it would be Joe, 24 and 4/5 2nds? But I think OKC will slow play it through the draft.

15 for pj is a major overpay imo

having multiple dips in the teens is thunder's biggest long term competitive edge vs the realm of deep playoff teams and the cba, i'd hate the thunder to give it away to a direct competitor for a rental.

ConSarnit wrote:Joe (or Wiggins) + 24

for

PJ Washington

Washington is an expiring deal and DAL adding Flagg makes some of their big depth superfluous. OKC shifts guard depth for a PF who fits well with Chet or Hartenstein.

(not sure how ideal this is for DAL but I assume something is going to give in terms of their big rotation. They probably prefer to move Gafford first).

okc doesn't need a pf to fit chet or hartenstein. okc needs a player that can spell hartenstein and make him expendable, so they can simultaneously cash on him and duck the 2nd apron in 2026/27

bbms wrote:

ConSarnit wrote:Joe (or Wiggins) + 24

for

PJ Washington

Washington is an expiring deal and DAL adding Flagg makes some of their big depth superfluous. OKC shifts guard depth for a PF who fits well with Chet or Hartenstein.

(not sure how ideal this is for DAL but I assume something is going to give in terms of their big rotation. They probably prefer to move Gafford first).

okc doesn't need a pf to fit chet or hartenstein. okc needs a player that can spell hartenstein and make him expendable, so they can simultaneously cash on him and duck the 2nd apron in 2026/27

We definitely need a PF. Jdub can work as a small ball PF but he’s playing too many non-Chet minutes there.

We already have someone who can cover for IH , that’s Chet C minutes and Jaylin C minutes.

Texas Chuck wrote:Been talked about in any number of varieties for months now. For me the versions that makes the most sense is Joe +15. I think Joe is the most expendable of the guys on long contracts and by moving him out it increases the likelihood that if Washington panned out, he wouldn't have to just be a rental.

I'd personally consider the OP with Wiggins. And then try really hard to take 24 and use it to turn Thompson into a PG. I could live with a Wiggins/Christie platoon at the 2 I think.

But I also don't really know how to value PJ Washington. A year ago coming off that playoff run with 2 cheap year left, I'd have set his value pretty high. Now with just one year left he's super unlikely to extend off of? Not sure how much he actually returns. Especially if teams think Dallas is trading him knowing he's blocked by AD/Flagg and thus very likely to test free agency next summer.

I think the last sentence is overstated a lot here. The whole concept of "leverage" because you know a team has to trade a player for whatever reason (position log jam, salary, attitude, etc.). The minute multiple teams start getting interested in the player, that whole loss of leverage is out the window. And a good player like PJ is going to have multiple suitors. I don't think teams knowing DAL wants to move him will matter, if it's even true.

Devilanche wrote:

bbms wrote:

ConSarnit wrote:Joe (or Wiggins) + 24

for

PJ Washington

Washington is an expiring deal and DAL adding Flagg makes some of their big depth superfluous. OKC shifts guard depth for a PF who fits well with Chet or Hartenstein.

(not sure how ideal this is for DAL but I assume something is going to give in terms of their big rotation. They probably prefer to move Gafford first).

okc doesn't need a pf to fit chet or hartenstein. okc needs a player that can spell hartenstein and make him expendable, so they can simultaneously cash on him and duck the 2nd apron in 2026/27

We definitely need a PF. Jdub can work as a small ball PF but he’s playing too many non-Chet minutes there.

We already have someone who can cover for IH , that’s Chet C minutes and Jaylin C minutes.

lets see what happens with jaylin and how much he'll command. also, just like hartenstein, jaylin's switchability is something that could be improved upon

soon the thunder might need to be paying 38 mil (rough projection) to players that combine 20 mpg in the finals while needing to duck apron stuff

this 9-20 range of this years draft is the sweet spot for players of the profile the thunder need to get cheaper where they need to get from 26/27 and on

i'm much more interested in scenarios where the thunder could potentially double dip this 9-15 range than trading out of it

the fact the thunder won the campionship don't change the basilar element of nba's economics that made the thunder get even here: big markets trade away picks for ready players. small market trade ready players for picks. small market teams are only as good as their ability to develop players.

bbms wrote:

Devilanche wrote:

bbms wrote:
okc doesn't need a pf to fit chet or hartenstein. okc needs a player that can spell hartenstein and make him expendable, so they can simultaneously cash on him and duck the 2nd apron in 2026/27

We definitely need a PF. Jdub can work as a small ball PF but he’s playing too many non-Chet minutes there.

We already have someone who can cover for IH , that’s Chet C minutes and Jaylin C minutes.

lets see what happens with jaylin and how much he'll command. also, just like hartenstein, jaylin's switchability is something that could be improved upon

soon the thunder might need to be paying 38 mil (rough projection) to players that combine 20 mpg in the finals while needing to duck apron stuff

this 9-20 range of this years draft is the sweet spot for players of the profile the thunder need to get cheaper where they need to get from 26/27 and on

i'm much more interested in scenarios where the thunder could potentially double dip this 9-15 range than trading out of it

the fact the thunder won the campionship don't change the basilar element of nba's economics that made the thunder get even here: big markets trade away picks for ready players. small market trade ready players for picks. small market teams are only as good as their ability to develop players.

If we count topic as one rookie , 15 is another rookie.

Given how much our depth underwhelms in the playoffs, I would feel better if we target at least one vet to start the season with the team.