Sixers draft trades

JimmyPlopper · Post #1 » by **JimmyPlopper** » Tue Jun 24, 2025 1:44 am

Jared McCain for Dereck Lively
#3 (Edgecombe) to Charlotte for #4 (Knueppel) and a future 1st
at 35 take Bogoljub Markovic

Tyrese Maxey / Jared Butler / Jeff Dowtin
Quentin Grimes / Lonnie Walker IV / Ricky Council IV
Kelly Oubre / Kon Knueppel
Guerschon Yabuesele / Justin Edwards / Bogoljub Markovic
Dereck Lively / Adem Bona

Joel Embiid will be held out until he can 1. Play back to backs, 2. Is traded or 3. Agrees to medically retire.

And Paul George can be held out, bought out, or traded for an equally bad contract with a better team fit.

Jojothewhale · Post #2 » by **Jojothewhale** » Tue Jun 24, 2025 2:00 am

Lively is a good player, but I could not possibly have less interest in moving McCain to build a Play In team. No one is going to give them enough trade value to give up on the star outcomes.

They’re not going to be able to handwave two giant contracts. There isn’t even a way to meaningfully improve from there except in this hypothetical where the league simply helps the Sixers out for fun. The whole concept is non-functional.

youngcrev · Post #3 » by **youngcrev** » Tue Jun 24, 2025 2:16 am

Nothing controversial about those Embiid and George takes at all... Completely grounded in reality :lol:

I feel dumb for saying it, but I wouldn't trade McCain for Lively. Rather bet on the guy we have.

I'd also just take VJ in "we're trading McCain" world.

JimmyPlopper · Post #4 » by **JimmyPlopper** » Tue Jun 24, 2025 2:56 am

youngcrev wrote:Nothing controversial about those Embiid and George takes at all... Completely grounded in reality

I feel dumb for saying it, but I wouldn't trade McCain for Lively. Rather bet on the guy we have.

I'd also just take VJ in "we're trading McCain" world.

Two things I was thinking about:
1) Hornets have expressed that they are extremely high on Edgecombe and want him badly
a) While I do like Edgecombe, I don't think he's any better bet than Knueppel, Johnson or Fears at being a next level contributor. If another team feels strongly about that choice more than I do - I'd rather capitalize on that.
2) I feel like with Bailey being an unknown, the primary prospects at three are all at a position that might be redundant for Philly with Maxey/McCain/Grimes on board.

I have been on this island about Embiid and then George for quite awhile, but I have noticed the population of this island has grown substantially over the last year.

daoneandonly · Post #5 » by **daoneandonly** » Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:26 am

I dont think either Dallas or Philly does that swap, unless Philly really wants to get a hometown guy. I would like for Dallas to go after McCain, but not at the expense of D-Live. I'm still a believer that eh can build on the rookie season despite last season's debacle

PhillyNj · Post #6 » by **PhillyNj** » Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:34 am

daoneandonly wrote:I dont think either Dallas or Philly does that swap, unless Philly really wants to get a hometown guy. I would like for Dallas to go after McCain, but not at the expense of D-Live. I'm still a believer that eh can build on the rookie season despite last season's debacle

I think Dallas would send a plane fast to Philly. Lopsided trade IMO. McCain has a much bigger upside and future,

daoneandonly · Post #7 » by **daoneandonly** » Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:37 am

PhillyNj wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:I dont think either Dallas or Philly does that swap, unless Philly really wants to get a hometown guy. I would like for Dallas to go after McCain, but not at the expense of D-Live. I'm still a believer that eh can build on the rookie season despite last season's debacle

I think Dallas would send a plane fast to Philly. Lopsided trade IMO. McCain has a much bigger upside and future,

Well you are entitled to that thought, but one can easily argue you are looking at it from a Sixers fan perspective. Lively had a good rookie season and playoff run. McCain had a quality short stretch and then got injured, so dont see how your valuation is accurate.

youngcrev · Post #8 » by **youngcrev** » Tue Jun 24, 2025 12:38 pm

JimmyPlopper wrote:I have been on this island about Embiid and then George for quite awhile, but I have noticed the population of this island has grown substantially over the last year.

It's hyperbolic tough guy talk that nobody would ever actually follow through on. Something an unserious caller would say on sports talk radio to try to make a point about being annoyed with those guys.

How do you think that conversation with ownership even begins for Morey?

"Hey, you know those guys I just gave half a billion dollars to 10 months ago..."

I get the frustration though.

the_process · Post #9 » by **the_process** » Tue Jun 24, 2025 12:41 pm

Trading down to 4? Sounds good.

Kon and Markovic? Works.

Medically retiring Embiid? Great.

Trading PG? Not if I have to pay for it.

Can't re-sign Yabusele, he is going to get more than the TMLE, being hard capped at the 1st apron is a no go.

McCain for Lively? I see the point, but pass.

Yenrallik1111 · Post #10 » by **Yenrallik1111** » Tue Jun 24, 2025 2:07 pm

the_process wrote:Trading down to 4? Sounds good.

Kon and Markovic? Works.

Medically retiring Embiid? Great.

Trading PG? Not if I have to pay for it.

Can't re-sign Yabusele, he is going to get more than the TMLE, being hard capped at the 1st apron is a no go.

McCain for Lively? I see the point, but pass.

It does seem embiid is kind of a Greg Odin 2.0

GutUNC · Post #11 » by **GutUNC** » Tue Jun 24, 2025 2:12 pm

Yenrallik1111 wrote:
the_process wrote:Trading down to 4? Sounds good.

Kon and Markovic? Works.

Medically retiring Embiid? Great.

Trading PG? Not if I have to pay for it.

Can't re-sign Yabusele, he is going to get more than the TMLE, being hard capped at the 1st apron is a no go.

McCain for Lively? I see the point, but pass.

It does seem embiid is kind of a Greg Odin 2.0

I must have missed Greg Oden's MVP season and 7 All-Star appearances.

Yenrallik1111 · Post #12 » by **Yenrallik1111** » Tue Jun 24, 2025 3:00 pm

GutUNC wrote:
Yenrallik1111 wrote:
the_process wrote:Trading down to 4? Sounds good.

Kon and Markovic? Works.

Medically retiring Embiid? Great.

Trading PG? Not if I have to pay for it.

Can't re-sign Yabusele, he is going to get more than the TMLE, being hard capped at the 1st apron is a no go.

McCain for Lively? I see the point, but pass.

It does seem embiid is kind of a Greg Odin 2.0

I must have missed Greg Oden's MVP season and 7 All-Star appearances.

Obviously Oden's career was cut way shorter. But big lumbering dominate centers with chronic injury issues

GutUNC · Post #13 » by **GutUNC** » Tue Jun 24, 2025 4:09 pm

Yenrallik1111 wrote:
GutUNC wrote:
Yenrallik1111 wrote:
It does seem embiid is kind of a Greg Odin 2.0

I must have missed Greg Oden's MVP season and 7 All-Star appearances.

Obviously Oden's career was cut way shorter. But big lumbering dominate centers with chronic injury issues

Just gonna keep digging with "lumbering", eh?

Yenrallik1111 · Post #14 » by **Yenrallik1111** » Tue Jun 24, 2025 4:16 pm

GutUNC wrote:
Yenrallik1111 wrote:
GutUNC wrote:
I must have missed Greg Oden's MVP season and 7 All-Star appearances.

Obviously Oden's career was cut way shorter. But big lumbering dominate centers with chronic injury issues

Just gonna keep digging with "lumbering", eh?

Haha digging? Embiid is clearly not light on his feet or quick.

jayjaysee · Post #15 » by **jayjaysee** » Tue Jun 24, 2025 4:19 pm

Yeah, McCain for Lively is going to be rough for either fan base to weigh in on. It’s an upside win for Dallas.. But I’m not sure Philly can do better unless they wait for McCain to get healthy and playing? Which seems the best choice to me.

Philly trading back a spot? Sure if they don’t love VJ or whoever.

The rest? Meh. Hope Joel gets right and back out there. He’s young enough to get himself right and hope he does. PG is going to stay overpaid, but maybe a healthy offseason brings him closer to solid starter.

GutUNC · Post #16 » by **GutUNC** » Tue Jun 24, 2025 5:52 pm

Yenrallik1111 wrote:
GutUNC wrote:
Yenrallik1111 wrote:
Obviously Oden's career was cut way shorter. But big lumbering dominate centers with chronic injury issues

Just gonna keep digging with "lumbering", eh?

Haha digging? Embiid is clearly not light on his feet or quick.

Not any longer, but he was successfully guarding on the perimeter on switches a couple seasons ago.

Comparing Embiid's career to Greg Oden's was absurd - just own it and move on.

Yenrallik1111 · Post #17 » by **Yenrallik1111** » Tue Jun 24, 2025 7:21 pm

GutUNC wrote:
Yenrallik1111 wrote:
GutUNC wrote:
Just gonna keep digging with "lumbering", eh?

Haha digging? Embiid is clearly not light on his feet or quick.

Not any longer, but he was successfully guarding on the perimeter on switches a couple seasons ago.

Comparing Embiid's career to Greg Oden's was absurd - just own it and move on.

I wasn't comparing careers at all. Just their chronic injuries and the fact they are both big lumbering guys. So I won't own anything to do with your assumptions of what I was saying.

GutUNC · Post #18 » by **GutUNC** » Tue Jun 24, 2025 7:43 pm

Yenrallik1111 wrote:
GutUNC wrote:
Yenrallik1111 wrote:
Haha digging? Embiid is clearly not light on his feet or quick.

Not any longer, but he was successfully guarding on the perimeter on switches a couple seasons ago.

Comparing Embiid's career to Greg Oden's was absurd - just own it and move on.

I wasn't comparing careers at all. Just their chronic injuries and the fact they are both big lumbering guys. So I won't own anything to do with your assumptions of what I was saying.

Joel Embiid played nearly 5x as many games as Greg Oden (and very slowly counting), won an MVP, finished twice in the voting 2 other times and went to 7 All-Star games. Greg Oden never averaged more then 11 PPG or 24 MPG in a season. Apples and oranges.

Drawing an analogy between two players because their careers were cut short by knee problems ignores the fact that there are hundreds and hundreds of NBA players that have had their careers cut short by knee injuries on wildly varying timelines. That's why a huge number of long-time NBA players hobble around or have knee replacements post retirement. The career arcs of Embiid/Oden are in no way similar and "NBA players often develop knee problems" is not insightful.

Jojothewhale · Post #19 » by **Jojothewhale** » Tue Jun 24, 2025 7:48 pm

Yenrallik1111 wrote:
GutUNC wrote:
Yenrallik1111 wrote:
Haha digging? Embiid is clearly not light on his feet or quick.

Not any longer, but he was successfully guarding on the perimeter on switches a couple seasons ago.

Comparing Embiid's career to Greg Oden's was absurd - just own it and move on.

I wasn't comparing careers at all. Just their chronic injuries and the fact they are both big lumbering guys. So I won't own anything to do with your assumptions of what I was saying.

Oh man. You do not remember Embiid before the knee injuries. Rookie year Embiid on the minutes restriction was one of the most athletic, frenetic defenders we have ever seen. He even Fouled at a completely ridiculous rate because he knew it didn't matter. He tried to get to everything.

wemby · Post #20 » by **wemby** » Tue Jun 24, 2025 8:19 pm

JimmyPlopper wrote:#3 (Edgecombe) to Charlotte for #4 (Knueppel) and a future 1st

I don't think the Hornets should pay a first to move from 4 to 3 when there isn't even a clear best player at 3. For this price I'd stay comfortably at 4, take Ace Bailey and probably you can force the Wizards to cough up a 1st to move up and still manage to draft Knueppel or Tre Johnson at 6.