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Cleveland: Garland
Cleveland: White

Bkn: Garland
Bkn: Nets pick 2025, 2 future Knicks 1sts

Celtics: White
Celtics: 3 1sts and BKN TPE

Cavs: Get bigger guard next to Mitchell

Celtics: Save a ton of money and reload with picks

Brooklyn: Get a building block whose under contract for 3 more years.

The Celtics arent rebuilding, they wont trade their 3rd best player for picks.

Brooklyn is not in pay premium picks for players mode yet.

I think BRK would do this for the right foundational piece. A small scoring PG who always seems to be dealing with some nagging injury and sucks on defense is not that right foundational piece.

CLE jumps at this to bring some actual balance to their backcourt and even shed a bit of tax wiggle room.

BOS certainly has to ponder this, but probably ultimately declines because they still care about the roster when Tatum is back.

eh, Cleveland passes at the chance to get 5 years older and pick up a less desirable player

Value seems fine but I don’t think Boston or the Nets are on track to go this direction.
This would be a great move for Cleveland.

I just don't understand where my fellow Cavs fans think the needed scoring is coming from with Mitchell as the primary ball handler and scoring threat. I was open to the idea of a move like this before watching Ty against the Pacers, but all of these options see far more risky than just hoping that Garland and Mitchell can stay healthy for a playoff run.

jbk1234 wrote:I just don't understand where my fellow Cavs fans think the needed scoring is coming from with Mitchell as the primary ball handler and scoring threat. I was open to the idea of a move like this before watching Ty against the Pacers, but all of these options see far more risky than just hoping that Garland and Mitchell can stay healthy for a playoff run.

Playoffs

Garland has been 17 and 5 on shooting splits or 43-34-86 for his playoff career. I do think Garland is better than that, and I wouldn’t move him for a low-ball offer, but the DG you claim he is just hasn’t been there during the playoffs.

Garland has been a JAG in the postseason. That is why he is in trade talks. Darius needs to be a 20+PPG guy in the playoffs with the occasional 30 point game. He just hasn’t been that in the playoffs. I think he can get there, but I get the frustration from other Cavs fans.

DowJones wrote:

jbk1234 wrote:I just don't understand where my fellow Cavs fans think the needed scoring is coming from with Mitchell as the primary ball handler and scoring threat. I was open to the idea of a move like this before watching Ty against the Pacers, but all of these options see far more risky than just hoping that Garland and Mitchell can stay healthy for a playoff run.

Playoffs

Garland has been 17 and 5 on shooting splits or 43-34-86 for his playoff career. I do think Garland is better than that, and I wouldn’t move him for a low-ball offer, but the DG you claim he is just hasn’t been there during the playoffs.

Garland has been a JAG in the postseason. That is why he is in trade talks. Darius needs to be a 20+PPG guy in the playoffs with the occasional 30 point game. He just hasn’t been that in the playoffs. I think he can get there, but I get the frustration from other Cavs fans.

Garland needs to be healthy and Mitchell isn't far behind him on that front. If that means the Cavs lose a few more regular season games, so be it. Garland shouldn't have played at all against the Pacers and Mitchell is very lucky he didn't have a Haliburton type injury after numbing it up in the locker room in the 4th quarter of Game 5.

I'm not a Mitchell is stifling Mobley's growth guy, but I also don't think it's a coincidence that Mobley's best playoff games came with Mitchell out and Garland as the PG against the Celtics. Mitchell has a tendency to try win games by himself and it usually comes at the expense of the big man. In the playoffs, once Mitchell gets a step, he's trying to score, and everyone knows it. He's really, really good at it, but it comes at a cost.

Garland makes the opponent defend multiple offensive players, which is why playoff opponents often assign their best defender to him. I just don't see a lot of winning with Mitchell trying to do it all himself, in Cleveland or Utah, and the fact remains we didn't beat the Pacers without Garland. Our only win came his first game back. Our only win against the Knicks was the result of Garland's play.

I'm very skeptical that trading Garland is how the Cavs get out of the second round.

bgrep14 wrote:Cleveland: Garland
Cleveland: White

Bkn: Garland
Bkn: Nets pick 2025, 2 future Knicks 1sts

Celtics: White
Celtics: 3 1sts and BKN TPE

Cavs: Get bigger guard next to Mitchell

Celtics: Save a ton of money and reload with picks

Brooklyn: Get a building block whose under contract for 3 more years.

as BOS fan I like it. C's are facing a couple of years of re-tooling phase, still building the team around JT & JB. White in two years will be 33 and out of his prime, while the rookies will have time to grow up

While I'd rather move Mitchell, I'm not completely against moving Garland either, for the right deal. A 1-to-1 swap with White with nothing else coming back Cavs way isn't it.

DowJones wrote:

jbk1234 wrote:I just don't understand where my fellow Cavs fans think the needed scoring is coming from with Mitchell as the primary ball handler and scoring threat. I was open to the idea of a move like this before watching Ty against the Pacers, but all of these options see far more risky than just hoping that Garland and Mitchell can stay healthy for a playoff run.

Playoffs

Garland has been 17 and 5 on shooting splits or 43-34-86 for his playoff career. I do think Garland is better than that, and I wouldn’t move him for a low-ball offer, but the DG you claim he is just hasn’t been there during the playoffs.

Garland has been a JAG in the postseason. That is why he is in trade talks. Darius needs to be a 20+PPG guy in the playoffs with the occasional 30 point game. He just hasn’t been that in the playoffs. I think he can get there, but I get the frustration from other Cavs fans.

The same reasons a Cleveland fan might not want to hold onto Garland are the same reasons he wouldn't get enough in an offer from another team. At least the Cleveland fans know the context of how hurt he's been and that there's more upside there than the stats say.