Kuminga to Miami (two ways)

[gswhoops]

Miami is rumored to be interested in Kuminga, and has some pieces that GS could be interested in. Assuming JK signs a deal somewhere in the $20-25M per year range...I see two potential pathways for a GS/Miami deal to get Kuminga to South Beach:

Option 1

Kuminga for SloMo, JJJ (or Jovic)

GS brings back a guy who had a solid run off the bench last year and some wing depth in JJJ (or Jovic, depending on which one Miami is less attached to).

TJD/Looney/Post
Draymond/SloMo
Jimmy/Moody/JJJ
Podziemski/Hield/GP2
Curry/Proctor (#41)

Option 2

Kuminga, Hield (or Moody) for Wiggins

GS brings back a fan favorite who can slide into the open wing spot between Curry and Butler and move Podz back to a bench role.

TJD/Looney/Post
Draymond/Moody
Jimmy/James (#41)
Wiggins/GP2
Curry/Podz

In either scenario - Miami gets a guy they're interested in with potential untapped upside for pieces that aren't part of their core moving forward

Bam
Jovic
Kuminga
Herro/Larssen
Jakucionis

[parsnips33]

Not necessarily related to these proposals (I assume the first gives more flexibility from a FA perspective but not sure if that's the case), but I kinda feel like Post takes the starting C spot this year, at least to start the season, assuming another big isn't brought in

[Texas Chuck]

Glad someone is working on this since it appears Miami is quite interested. I'd prefer the Wiggins option as the Warriors. Not sure which option Miami might prefer.

[eminence]

What number does he need to sign for to be a straight swap for Wiggins?

For GS I'd be interested in keeping their depth.

[gswhoops]

Glad someone is working on this since it appears Miami is quite interested. I'd prefer the Wiggins option as the Warriors. Not sure which option Miami might prefer.

Same. Not sure how Miami feels about Wiggins (I'd heard rumblings that they were willing to move him, but nothing concrete) but he's beloved in GS and I think bringing him back would be great for the team both on and off the court (and help lessen the sting of "losing" Kuminga to casual fans)

[gswhoops]

What number does he need to sign for to be a straight swap for Wiggins?

For GS I'd be interested in keeping their depth.

Way too much unfortunately, because he only counts as 1/2 of his salary for outgoing matching

[the_process]

Is Kuminga going to agree to a S&T if he makes less than 30M per?

[gswhoops]

Is Kuminga going to agree to a S&T if he makes less than 30M per?

Depending on whether Brooklyn is interested, a S&T may be his only path to above-MLE money

[BBallFreak]

Glad someone is working on this since it appears Miami is quite interested. I'd prefer the Wiggins option as the Warriors. Not sure which option Miami might prefer.

We would prefer the Wiggins option as well, but I didn't think it was legal to trade either player back to Golden State within a year of them being traded away. If I'm wrong, I'm all over the Wiggins deal.

Pg: Mitchell / KJ / Smith
Sg: Herro/ Hield/ KJ
Sf: Kuminga / JJJ / Highsmith
Pf: Adebayo / Jovic / Anderson
Cc: Ware / free agent

[SA37]

Same. Not sure how Miami feels about Wiggins (I'd heard rumblings that they were willing to move him, but nothing concrete) but he's beloved in GS and I think bringing him back would be great for the team both on and off the court (and help lessen the sting of "losing" Kuminga to casual fans)

Of the options you laid out, Wiggins makes the most sense for GS given they're all-in for a title and GS likes to play small-ball. Wiggins knows the system and is on a good deal that expires in the time-frame that fits GS's plans.

I think Miami would much prefer Kuminga/Hield or Moody for Wiggins, but I would imagine that's less than ideal for GS unless they're happy using Moody and/or Podziemski as full-time back up 2s. Hield seems to have fit in really well with GS.

The 1st deal helps GS less now. Jaquez is a good prospect and Anderson a solid role player, but I don't see either being nearly as valuable for GS even if this is the better deal for Miami.

[gswhoops]

Glad someone is working on this since it appears Miami is quite interested. I'd prefer the Wiggins option as the Warriors. Not sure which option Miami might prefer.

We would prefer the Wiggins option as well, but I didn't think it was legal to trade either player back to Golden State within a year of them being traded away. If I'm wrong, I'm all over the Wiggins deal.

Pg: Mitchell / KJ / Smith
Sg: Herro/ Hield/ KJ
Sf: Kuminga / JJJ / Highsmith
Pf: Adebayo / Jovic / Anderson
Cc: Ware / free agent

I think, but I'm not 100% sure, that the restriction only lasts until the end of the league year. Obviously if I'm wrong this whole concept is DOA.

Also thank you for fleshing out my obvious lack of knowledge re: Miami's rotation

[giberish]

Is Kuminga going to agree to a S&T if he makes less than 30M per?

Depending on whether Brooklyn is interested, a S&T may be his only path to above-MLE money

IMO if Kuminga's holding out of $30M/yr he's going to have a very long wait.

I also don't think the QO option for him is very good. Not only is he making $10-15M less next season then a plausible contract but he'd be stuck with GS for the year (technically tradable but Bird rights wouldn't carry over. There also probably won't be that many teams with a bunch of cap room next year either (more teams/players are signing extensions limiting the FA market) and he'll be a year older off another year with a coach/style that doesn't fit him and a team that has no incentive to promote him.

[NW]

I believe Anthony Slater confirmed it was legal under NBA rules to trade Wiggins back to GS. Not sure they’re up for throwing Moody or Hield in it to make it happen without Miami putting in additional pieces that they’d rather not

[gswhoops]

I believe Anthony Slater confirmed it was legal under NBA rules to trade Wiggins back to GS. Not sure they’re up for throwing Moody or Hield in it to make it happen without Miami putting in additional pieces that they’d rather not

We have to include some additional salary to make the $ work. It's possible we could include a S&T Looney or GP2 instead, but then things get complicated really quickly.

[Lenneth]

My understanding is that the team can accept a traded player back after the season ends. If that's the case, I think Warriors can get him back.

What would happen to Warriors if Kuminga and Wiggins are traded? Currently, Warriors' salary is 170 mils without counting Kuminga's contract, and the first apron is 195 mils. If Warriors get Wiggins' 28 mils salary back via sign-and-trade, that would put Warriors slightly over the first apron. Is it OK, since Miami is the one that receives Kuminga via sign-and-trade, or will this deal violate the CBA?

[NW]

My understanding is that the team can accept a traded player back after the season ends. If that's the case, I think Warriors can get him back.

What would happen to Warriors if Kuminga and Wiggins are traded? Currently, Warriors' salary is 170 mils without counting Kuminga's contract, and the first apron is 195 mils. If Warriors get Wiggins' 28 mils salary back via sign-and-trade, that would put Warriors slightly over the first apron. Is it OK, since Miami is the one that receives Kuminga via sign-and-trade, or will this deal violate the CBA?

Should be fine as Miami is the one who would get the S&T player and thus be the ones to be hard capped

[Scoot McGroot]

My understanding is that the team can accept a traded player back after the season ends. If that's the case, I think Warriors can get him back.

What would happen to Warriors if Kuminga and Wiggins are traded? Currently, Warriors' salary is 170 mils without counting Kuminga's contract, and the first apron is 195 mils. If Warriors get Wiggins' 28 mils salary back via sign-and-trade, that would put Warriors slightly over the first apron. Is it OK, since Miami is the one that receives Kuminga via sign-and-trade, or will this deal violate the CBA?

Should be fine as Miami is the one who would get the S&T player and thus be the ones to be hard capped

Miami would be hard capped at the 1st apron for receiving a player via sign and trade.
GS would be hard capped at the 2nd apron for receiving a player contract in return for sending out a player via sign and trade.

[parsnips33]

Honestly would rather send out Moody than Hield

[BBallFreak]

Honestly would rather send out Moody than Hield

The filler isn't important to me. Wiggins for Kuminga is what matters to both of us. You could send us Alton Lister as filler and I'd still be fine with the deal.

[gswhoops]

Honestly would rather send out Moody than Hield

I'm kind of ambivalent TBH. Moody on the whole is a more useful player IMO, but Hield has an elite skill that we badly need.